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This is where he says we're 30 some year old that probably masturbate and play video games.

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wrote by rawsea: I completely agree with the opinions put forth by Another You and Mrodub. It is unacceptable to ban people because they disagree with the point of view expressed, not to mention unscientific. Please revise this position.

If it is a semantic issue in which there is a consensus in agreeing to ban only those individuals who are only interested in destructively criticizing the movement, please state this more clearly. Peter Joseph, above all people here, should understand the problem of semantics and interpretation. He should take more care with his choice of words.

This occurred previously, when Peter denounced the author of CS as "mentally ill" , and offered up a a particular definition of the term in which it may be true. However, this was a poor choice of communicative expression as the common meaning of the term is perjorative in the extreme, and it conveys a very negative idea that the Zeitgeist Movement considers people who disagree with their ideas as mentally ill , even if it may be it true under some specific, obtuse definition.

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wrote by Peter in response to rawsea: I would like you to put yourself in my position for a moment. I have silently endured perpetual attack from faceless cowards for 3 years now. I rarely respond to any of them. When I do, it means I felt the need to at the time. As of now, I realize I should have never bothered to address CS as all it did was give them some attention. Remember- CS is literally based upon attacking me and TZM now. That's it. It has nothing to do with "Conspiracies". If it wasn't for me, those kids would be at home only masturbating and playing video games wondering why they are in their 30s and have no life. Now they have an enemy - good for them - I couldn't care less. All it does is give me and the ideas I promote more attention and those who can actually think critically can see straight through their propaganda.

As far as Winston - this kid is only about "winning the debate" and nothing more. Truth is secondary to the external perception that he is correct. This is classic pathological behavior. It is mental illness by all accord and, sadly, he is not alone. Tons out there are hell bent on preserving their identity and assumed integrity by blindly holding on to their beliefs and prior statements regardless of new information or being disproven. It's called "ego". Did Zeitgeist: The Movie have errors? Yes - and I fixed them, as any diligent, self-respecting person should as we continue on our journey of discovery. We all make mistakes and it is having the integrity to realize that and adjust accordingly that is important. Now, anyone can view the full 220 page source guide and see what is what. You will now notice the data in that Guide is being utterly dismissed/ignored by this hateful subculture as well... go figure. Pathological Denial.

Please note- I made a budget film and put it online- then I made another and tried to start a movement to help push some sustainable ideas. I never did anything to anyone. I didn't hold people down to watch the films.. I didn't insult or attack anyone... until they started to attack me.

Here is the difference between me and most- I will not be inhibited by anything. Life is too short to waste tiptoeing over this and that. I will say what I feel is right and I'm sorry if anyone has a problem with that. Frankly, if most people did what they thought was actually correct while keeping an open mind and didn't let others put them down and install fear/inhibition - the world would be a much more open, progressive and enlightening place.

Now, anyone can view the full 220 page source guide and see what is what. You will now notice the data in that Guide is being utterly dismissed/ignored by this hateful subculture as well... go figure. Pathological Denial.

Well, this is silly. We've stated on many occasions that Acharya S. is a pseudohistorian whose research methods and views are faulty and whose conclusions are wrong. All the 220-page resource guide does is trumpet Acharya S. and discredited 9/11 Truther crap in a louder voice. If he could back up his assertions without trumpeting the same discredited pseudo-evidence that we already denounced, our conclusion about the source guide might be different.

You don't "prove" your point just by by shouting louder.

>> Truth is secondary to the external perception that he is correct

This coming from a guy who has never admitted to being wrong about anything and goes out of his way to justify beliefs in conspiracy theories. The hijackers are still alive Peter!

I've been wrong tons of times and I've made tons of corrections, hell one correction is one more than you've ever made.

>> Yes - and I fixed them, as any diligent, self-respecting person should as we continue on our journey of discovery.

The hijackers are still alive!

>> Now, anyone can view the full 220 page source guide and see what is what.

Proof that the hijackers are still alive!

>> You will now notice the data in that Guide is being utterly dismissed/ignored by this hateful subculture as well... go figure. Pathological Denial.

We didn't ignore it, we went over it here, it doesn't really contain anything new or interesting, it's just a rehash. We're not the only ones who don't care, I haven't really seen anyone else, in TZM especially, that actually gives a shit about it. Maybe they're smart enough to realize that holding on to conspiratorial beliefs is bad for business? Just because you abandon promoting that by 2008 we'll have national ID cards, doesn't mean that any of your other claims are somehow any less stupid.

>> As far as Winston - this kid is only about "winning the debate" and nothing more.

There he goes calling people older than him "kid" and expects people not to think he's condescending and arrogant?

Also, since when do I play video games? I sure masturbate though, and sometimes my wife and I watch each other do it, it's hot! I imagine when it comes to sitting at home, playing video games, and masturbating, in addition to having no life, many of his members fit this. I don't rag on them though, because a lot of people -- most people in the world -- are incredibly uninteresting, so what? Peter thinks he's hot shit in a champagne glass, but he's really just cold diarrhea in a dixie cup.

If Peter disappeared tomorrow would the world notice? No. If I disappeared tomorrow would the world notice? No. There we go, we have some common ground Peter, we're both nobodies, the only problem is you think you're top dog and going to change the world by insulting everyone.

As his movement fails he's only going to amp up attacks against those who disagree, and finally when it does fail, he's going to blame everyone else but himself. If his ideas and/or movement were so profound and interesting, more people would care. I've already explained many times why both Peter and his movement are going to fail; I don't need to get into that again.

News flash: Most people in the world disagree with Peter and won't ever agree with him. Does he think by calling them mentally ill that they will jump on his bandwagon? Does he think by calling them children they will follow his every word?

"One year on and when I turn off my computer The Zeitgeist Movement ceases to exist, now that's progress!" Now this can really be changed to "One year on and if I don't go to TZM.com or CS.com The Zeitgeist Movement ceases to exist!" You guys are expanding rapidly, wow, just wow.

The hijackers are still alive!

As per another post on that thread:

>> There is also the radio address, FAQ, and Knowledge Base. Those are the central places where people should be learning more about the movement.

These resources are all 100% created by and controlled by Peter Joseph. Does anyone else find that disturbing? I find it disturbing because despite that, among many other issues, his members still believe they don't have a leader.

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The whole using the fact of masturbation as some kind of insult is just bizarre as hell to me. Is Peter Joseph 14 years old? That would explain his constant sexual references and his need to call everyone "kid." What kind of utter retard thinks pointing out other people masturbate is insulting or somehow winning an argument? Everyone does it, even Peter. What a tool.

Man, Peter Joseph probably just a 30 year old guy that masturbates and sits on forums all day wondering how to change the world.

What?

"If it wasn't for me, those kids would be at home only masturbating and playing video games wondering why they are in their 30s and have no life. Now they have an enemy - good for them - I couldn't care less. All it does is give me and the ideas I promote more attention and those who can actually think critically can see straight through their propaganda."

This guy is completely full of himself. "If it wasn't for me?" If it wasn't for you, what?
He has an obvious messiah-complex, like every other CT Guru out there.

And then he talks about other people having an ego...Oh boy.

"I will say what I feel is right and I'm sorry if anyone has a problem with that."

This is something very similar to what David Icke has said.
"Im just putting information out there." You know what this really means?

"I take no responsability for the things I say."

Special Ed: Those who call others "kid" feel as if they are much more mature and knowledgeable than others.
Basically its an ego thing.

Ed: I can't even make jokes like that without feeling immature, how the hell does he do it on a daily basis and still think he's such a big shot?

Ask Charles Robinson ~~~ I mean Peter Joseph Merola.

I wonder if there's a correlation between the whole "ego" thing and buying into TZM. It seems to be a rather dominant issue among the guys in there.

I'm a bit undecided on the whole topic of letting your ego get in the way. One the one side, I remember about 100 people telling me I'm stupid or crazy when I quit school and I went "screw them" and proved them wrong. Nevertheless, I don't know many people who choose that route, know it exists - and I'd probably neither, if not for people before me who managed to succeed from scratch multiple times, not following what anybody else was doing.

If I look at it that way, a lot of progress comes from people who don't give a fuck about common sense or what the guy next door thinks.

On the other side, you have guys like PJ (and to some extent, myself) who get locked up in this picture of themselves as some guy who'll manage to do everything way better than anybody else and refuse to accept their own incompetence to do certain things - whether it is leading a movement, looking at 9/11 evidence objectively or whatever.

> I wonder if there's a correlation between the whole "ego" thing and buying into TZM

I imagine its more intelligence level than ego.

I've watched both of those Zeitgeist documentaries and they seemed a bit misconstrued but I have no problem with people believing whatever they want as long as it doesn't cause or instigate violence. However I think you should replace the word "movement" with the word "religion, or quite possibly "cult" hehe

Remember- CS is literally based upon attacking me and TZM now. That's it. It has nothing to do with "Conspiracies".

lolwut. Look at the topics on the forum at the moment, and see how many are related to TZM. What a jackass

@Domokato
Thats what happens when people are 'mentally ill', they think everyone is talking about them no matter what they say. Paranoia. :D :D

The relationship between CS and TZM reminds me of the USA and Castro - the latter two (PJ/Castro) can always conceal their own incompetence at dealing with critics by staging an imaginary "threat" posed by the former parties, which doesn't really exist at the level it is perceived, or at the level Castro/PJ wants people to perceive it.

The funny thing about this "tactic", if you will, is that Fresco's own "philosophy" includes listening to both sides and judging for yourself - this, to me, is only evidence supporting the assumption that the amount of critical thinking inside TZM is even lower than inside TVP.

The "we" is pretty weird, too. Back on TZM I was just a guy posting critiques on the forum to Neil, now I'm a "CS member" whenever I find some time to listen to his radio project...as if there was some kind of shared ideology in here.

"I have silently endured perpetual attack from faceless cowards for 3 years now."

Kind of funny irony since Peter Joseph Merola kept hidden his last name for years until he was exposed by anticultist... Who is the coward who cannot even reveal his last name that is the self-appointed leader of a conspiracy movement now?

How about the unknown moderators on his forums now to hide their real names. Isn't that being a "faceless cowards" Peter as you say?