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EdPosted: Oct 04, 2010 - 09:12
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QYLLFpNn4lM

Dunno if there is a shorter version, 6mins?! urgh...

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BrentonPosted: Oct 04, 2010 - 11:06
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I think by merit of it being called 'extended version' that means a shorter one is coming?

My impression is that it's really good. I'll probably attend and try and get mic time at the screening of it in MLB, good chance for dialogue. If they actually advertise this 'simultaneous release' properly they'll get tons of people attending screenings of a broad demographic from lots of different backgrounds - thus a melting pot of dialogue. (To dialogue we don't have to agree with the conclusions - we just need to discuss the premises).

I'd like to see that. But I cast my mind back to the ZDAY's, and then I have my doubts...

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CyborgJesusPosted: Oct 04, 2010 - 12:16
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Isn't the purpose of trailers to excite you?

I should be in the States at January, maybe I'll attend a screening, just to voice my opinion and make clear that TZM ain't the only fish in the sea.

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NanosPosted: Oct 04, 2010 - 13:50
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Another collarge I see..

> Isn't the purpose of trailers to excite you?

I was so excited I stopped watching it half way through..

Wake me up when they want to start to build homes for people..

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Edward L WinstonPosted: Oct 04, 2010 - 20:31
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OH MAN THIS IS TOTALLY GONNA BLOW UP AT THE BOX OFFICE, MAN THEY'LL GET TRILLIONS OF MEMBERS!

Couldn't we just watch Money Masters or America: Freedom to Fascism, then follow it up with Zeitgeist II and get the same content? Maybe that's how he made this one.

In any case, I'm still waiting for how wishful thinking and spreading the word is going to change the world. Even MLK, Jr who is quoted in the video did more than nothing. Could you imagine if the civil rights movement consisted of making three movies and a bunch of newspaper articles?

I'll eat my hat if Peter Joseph provides some sort of actual plan for doing something other than spreading the word and gathering members. You can see how even some of the most liberal and technologically inclined young people respond to TZM:

http://conspiracyscience.com/forums/topic/tzm-invades-dailyshow-and-colbertnation-websites</p>

And tabula rasa, come on, we're still on that?

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EdPosted: Oct 04, 2010 - 21:00
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I gotta agree... REALLY boring trailer.

I'm not saying that just because I think Peter is a self adsorbed loon, the trailer for Addendum was a lot better.

If he wants the film to do well he'll need far more interesting promotional material than a video with quotes droning on for 6 minutes.

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Edward L WinstonPosted: Oct 04, 2010 - 21:16
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God, ed, you just don't get it!

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sorryPosted: Oct 04, 2010 - 22:07
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If this movie avoided the conspiracies and talked primarily about social problems, I'd be on board with watching and discussing it.

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BrentonPosted: Oct 05, 2010 - 00:34
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I've gotta agree that it defies what would be expected of a trailer, and not necessarily in a good way.

agreed @ CS.

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CyborgJesusPosted: Oct 05, 2010 - 02:41
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"The´╗┐ only reason to dislike a video like the above is to believe you are above the people and higher than human beings as a god. As a leader of all unconstitutional rights."

What the fuck are they talking about.

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EdPosted: Oct 05, 2010 - 07:25
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I also forgot to point out that I stopped the video after about 20 seconds to post this thread and then forgot about it, I had to make myself go back and continue to watch. I really did hope it would get more interesting. I mean srsly...

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anticultistPosted: Oct 05, 2010 - 08:54
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OK so I watched it, and to be honest all I kept noticing were things in the production and scenes that annoyed me.

Such as:
Overlaying of 3 or more voices saying things in the intro sounded garbled and shoddy, one wonders if this sounds like the inner mind of peter joseph merolas, all the voices telling him what to do.
Then I noticed things like the old guy in the fake black police outfit and black scruffy tee shirt with the fake out of focus background behind him where he was supposed to be some armed police man, no doubt hes going to see the light after seeing zeitgeist 3 like characters did in his other movie at the end.
Last but not least I noticed Tanktop at the beginning half of his face on screen eyes closed, then again at the end with his eyes opening.

To be honest this movie sounds like it might have some interesting speakers and points in it, but from what I got from it it simply sounded like woe is nigh, doom is near, the world will end...It just sounded like a whole load of negative doom scenario points.

Of course after this he is going to cap it all off with some happy music, some models of jacques, and a hows your father jolly dance towards an indeterminant future they say they are going to make happen.

Truly uninspiring and cliched. Nice use of visual effects and editing though.

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Kaiser FalknerPosted: Oct 05, 2010 - 12:11
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It's already time to start calling bullshit

In the trailer, at 2:21, the narrator says "There are roughly 2 million people incarcerated in this country. Many of them are in prisons run by private corporations."

I decided to check out these numbers and the assertion being made here. Indeed, according to the Bureau of Justice statistics, there are 2.3 million people currently incarcerated in the United States (or less than 1% of the total American population). Now, according to "Corrections in the 21st Century" by F. Schmalleger and J Smykla, about 99,000 of those inmates are in private prisons. That is 4.3% of the total inmate population. How exactly does that constitute "many" of the total prisoner population? Indeed, private prisons are under a lot of scrutiny and are not widely accepted in the United States. This is pretty disingenuous on the narrator's part.

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Kaiser FalknerPosted: Oct 05, 2010 - 12:19
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Wait, is that Jacque Fresco narrating part of the trailer?!

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NanosPosted: Oct 05, 2010 - 13:01
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I notce googling "zeitgeistmovingforward" that it only comes up some 500+ times, with more than 54,000+ youtube views and growing quite rapidly, at least people are watching it..

Though like book sales, we have to ask, are they watching it to the end :-)

I wonder where all those people heard of it from ?

(They, TZM never seem to ask folk that question, I wonder if they even collect webstats to show just where their fans come from.)

I notice on their site it says:

> This large scale release is not associated with any major distributor.

I wonder if that is a result of careful planning, or did no one want to take it..

Considering its to make money for local chapters, of course, its careful planning!

Wait, did I hear that correctly, making money is going to be the next in thing!

As long of course, its spent on spreading the word purposes...

Just like what VTV is doing..

So, all we have to do to justify spending some of the profits from PJ's film is to declare we are spreading the word, and we too can have our rent paid, is that it ?

After all, doesn't PJ pay his rent that way too ?

Well, he might, but we don't know do we, he doesn't answer that question..

Perhaps we should swap VTV for PJ, at least VTV is more upfront with us.

And come to think of it, PJ would probably be a better radio show person.

Isn't the TVP future, one where who is best qualified/experiened is in charge ?

Well, I reckon VTV should replace PJ, and PJ should replace VTV, only if VTV could insist all TZM folk receiving TZM related funds (That includes the UK folk helping Fresco with his film, who got a shiney new PC from TVP, how much was it, did they get anything else, why are we not told how Fresco is throwing his money away? (I mean, purposefully giving it to helpful folk who cannot afford a PC...)) detail transparency wise whose getting it, how much and what for.

But, as this isn't a democracy, we cannot vote VTV in..

But.. I'm not clear on if its a dictatorship, and if the person at the top thinks no one else can do the job better, and we think otherwise, how will they ever let someone else take charge ?

At least with democracy for all of its flaws, means we could vote someone else in..

Trouble is, in practice of course, we wouldn't vote VTV in, we'd vote in, lets see, Ben from the UK, he sounds great, but is probably one of the most useless people out there..

Here is a link to a video of when he was on the UK The Plinth event:

http://www.webarchive.org.uk/wayback/archive/20100223130343/http://www.oneandother.co.uk/participants/zeitgeist

Do bare in mind that no one was bothered to actually post this link on the UK Z site at all, I even asked for it! and then the entire thread about it was deleted.. (Perhaps folk was just too embarressed..)

Even the first one was better!

Oh let me dig that out..

(Interestingly, it was briefly mentioned on SKY TV with the immortal words of something like 'That Eco guy' when describing what he was standing for.. again no one was interested much in the subject either on the UK Z forums, I guess publicity not being one of their strong points..)

No wait, I can't seem to find any reference to it...

If your bored, you could find it by checking out each and every entry here:

http://www.webarchive.org.uk/wayback/archive/20100223121747/http://www.oneandother.co.uk/participants/day?day=2010-02-23

Its the one with the blow up globe in it, is what I remember, though I've not actually watched it, just seen a few seconds of it on TV.

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NanosPosted: Oct 05, 2010 - 13:03
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> is that Jacque Fresco narrating part of the trailer?!

Remember it is mostly a collarge, at least 99% recycled content..

I'm somehow reminded of the kids at school who did collarges, if they couldn't draw, or paint, or do anything but weld a pair of scissors and glue, it was a good way to keep them out of teachers way whilst everyone else got on with learning the good stuff..

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sorryPosted: Oct 05, 2010 - 13:15
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It's already time to start calling bullshit

In the trailer, at 2:21, the narrator says "There are roughly 2 million people incarcerated in this country. Many of them are in prisons run by private corporations."

I decided to check out these numbers and the assertion being made here. Indeed, according to the Bureau of Justice statistics, there are 2.3 million people currently incarcerated in the United States (or less than 1% of the total American population). Now, according to "Corrections in the 21st Century" by F. Schmalleger and J Smykla, about 99,000 of those inmates are in private prisons. That is 4.3% of the total inmate population. How exactly does that constitute "many" of the total prisoner population? Indeed, private prisons are under a lot of scrutiny and are not widely accepted in the United States. This is pretty disingenuous on the narrator's part.

First of all, good job and thank you for looking that up. When I heard it, I too wondered if that was correct.

Secondly, Merola's wording is not improper. 99,000 is still "many". It is misleading, however, because private corporations trying to incarcerate people does not lead to anything I can see as appalling. So, the companies want to lock up criminals... ok? What has Merola proven these corporations of doing wrong?

If Merola has no concrete evidence of malpractice, then he's simply fear-mongering over the potential for these private corporations to use their position for evil. This is no different from saying Obama knows some socialists or that the Fed could be stealing money.

Associations logically mean nothing without evidence. I guess we'll have to wait till January to see the piles of proof Merola has compiled.

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domokatoPosted: Oct 05, 2010 - 13:38
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A fairly convincing case of a certain private prison allegedly incarcerating teens unfairly was documented in Capitalism: A Love Story (IIRC), FWIW.

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sorryPosted: Oct 05, 2010 - 13:44
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Could you give a brief explanation of how they were unfairly incarcerated? We're they found guilty for crimes they didn't commit?

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SkyPosted: Oct 05, 2010 - 14:21
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I think the person talking about prisons and other stuff throughout the trailer might be Michael Ruppert, PJ said that he was going to be in his next movie. Here is a video of Ruppert to compare the voice to:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAyHIOg5aHk&feature=fvst

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Edward L WinstonPosted: Oct 05, 2010 - 16:10
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lol, Michael Ruppert!

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Sil the ShillPosted: Oct 05, 2010 - 18:07
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If we can get transcripts for Z3 once it's out, I would definitely be on board for splitting the movie up amongst us and tackling all the nonsense that is bound to be contained inside.

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domokatoPosted: Oct 05, 2010 - 18:09
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Could you give a brief explanation of how they were unfairly incarcerated? We're they found guilty for crimes they didn't commit?

A few of the teens claimed they were given an improper hearing, weren't allowed to speak at the hearing, were given harsher than normal sentences. They thought the judge was being paid off - saying his attitude was that of having already decided to put them away at the beginning of the trial. Also, they were somehow kept imprisoned past their official release dates.

Looks like there's an actual trial on the case too, and the judges pleaded guilty:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29142654/<br /> http://www.timesleader.com/news/hottopics/judges/Ciavarella_and_Conahan_enter_federal_court_in_Scranton.html</p>

EDIT: obviously, for the record, I do still think PJ's quote is misleading - the word "many" invoking in most peoples' mind a proportion of a lot more than 4.3%.

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BrentonPosted: Oct 06, 2010 - 03:20
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The thing about ZIII, Sil - is that if it's made well the content will be arguable but not debunkable in the traditional sense. Mainly because it -should- be a film making a proposition, more than one of accusation and related innuendo.

We'll see.

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Edward L WinstonPosted: Oct 06, 2010 - 03:45
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I'm definitely interested to see the film, I remember ZII really catching me off guard with the Venus Project stuff, I was really surprised, I was expecting Ron Paul due to PJ's previous leanings.

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The Burger KingPosted: Oct 06, 2010 - 06:57
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Watching the clip I think Peter Merola is going to be including types of conspiracies with money. That being said when watching Peter Merola's films I believe the parts a individual should attempt to potentially look out for is anything with money or numbers and then look into it further to see if he's full of BS for a potential debunk. I think he's trying to incorporate conspiracies in correlation with money into his next flick.

In that watching the trailer I didn't think anything really stood out I myself not being a movie buff; he can't include conspiracy or the good hardcore conspiracy into his flick then he's automatically at a loss for that crowd which is good but now this movie has to stand on it's own merit and I don't think their is a crowd out their besides their little crowd that would care to watch it and believe in it.

Not only that it seems to be another collarge of pictures and things of that nature which is a bit outdated as well as uumm less appealing I'd expect a little more. He has his family and friends in the movie from Noel Hunter aka Tanktop he's the semi tech guy for the zeitgeist movement who gets paid money by peter also the person who banned me, to Peter Merola's older brother Eric Merola. It's a bit of a joke.

Seems like a conspiracy movie involving money and I think Peter is going to stay away from if he can any real meaningful facts and figures and just state the obvious incorporating half truths or ignorance when he can or just being very broad. If he goes that route the movie will have very little impact towards the external forces viewing it as well as the internal forces aka his TZM people. If he goes this route I see no reason in debunking it...

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SkyPosted: Oct 06, 2010 - 13:37
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^We could probably watch Mike Ruppert's Collapse and it would be the same thing as Z3 or at least one segment. If you notice, there is sort of a pattern to how PJ makes his movies. He seems to pick 3 or 4 other movies and then throws them together into one movie.

For Zeitgeist 1 he used:
The God Who Wasn't There
Loose Change
America: Freedom to Fascism
Endgame

Zeitgeist 2:
Web of Debt
Confessions of an Economic Hitman (a book this time)
Future By Design

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EdPosted: Oct 06, 2010 - 13:53
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Sky, I dont think he used Endgame did he? I think he did use Martial Law 911 though.

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The Burger KingPosted: Oct 06, 2010 - 15:24
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Doesn't Peter Merola list the movies or sources he uses on something? a website? a .pdf?

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SkyPosted: Oct 06, 2010 - 16:21
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This page used to list the movie sources, but it seems to have fallen into a black hole:

http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/sources.htm</p>

Ed I'm not sure, but the plot of Z1 Part 3 is almost the same as Endgame.

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