Skeptic Project

I love this from the official Q+A:
http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/qa.html</p>

Q:I HEARD "ZEITGEIST: THE MOVIE" WAS "DEBUNKED"... IS THIS TRUE?

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A: The term "Debunked" is found to be used mostly by those individuals or groups who hold an emotional/ideological disposition that is contrary to the message(s) of the film. The three most common groups that tote this rhetoric are the orthodox religious communities, the "patriot" (or nationalist) communities and the monetary/capitalist communities. Zeitgeist: The Movie consists of 100s of points and while there are many angles of obvious debate the work is far from un-sourced or unfounded.

In 2010, an update was made to the work that corrected small problems while also clarifying and updating the work in general - replacing the prior version. (See more below) Upon this update a free 220 page "Companion Source Guide" was created to openly show the sources and reasoning.

To "debunk Zeitgeist: The Movie" is to debunk this guide. This has not occurred. In fact, it is technically impossible to do so in such a context. Only sections can be isolated and argued. It is important to point out that many who claim to have "debunked" this or that are really often working from the standpoint of debate for the sake of a wanted external perception.

In other words, given the nature of semantics and interpretation, many can twist/manipulate points to fit what could be perceived as a viable argument or refutation while, in effect, they are really just denying data, creating "straw men" or simply lying. Anyone who doesn't understand or believe the film's points should read the free 220 page Companion Source Guide.

WOW, naw Dr. Peter Joseph Merola can't be wrong ever, your wrong! you need to read the companion guide cause Peter is never wrong and if you still don't get in then I diagnosis you mentally Ill and whatever you say will be based on a emotional response and not rational thinking done by the scientific method!

http://img543.imageshack.us/img543/9177/presentation1.png

So it's working how he wants: it's a way to "undebunk" the film without having to do any research and most importantly without having to think for yourself. Peter Joseph is not unlike Skynet, he sends out his robots set read-only so that they don't do too much thinking for themselves.

If the basis of his arguments like the classic "11 = 12" are wrong, there's no need to create 220 pages on why it's right. You can find 220 pages of flat earth society forum posts on why the Earth really is flat but because one doesn't take the time to respond to every forum post doesn't mean that the posts are correct.

The document even still promotes long debunked conspiracy theories like the 9/11 hijackers still being alive. Come on!

Why not debunk the 220 page document? Because there's no point (and I don't have the time), the Zeitgeist movie has lost the steam it had in 2007 and no one gives a shit anymore, the only reason Peter Joseph put this out was to calm the nerves of his last unquestioning soldiers, to ease any doubts they may have, and so that they can argue exactly like the guy in the linked threads:

http://conspiracyscience.com/forums/topic/tzm-invades-dailyshow-and-colbertnation-websites</p>

I imagine the vast majority of those who link to the 220 document have never read the entire thing, which is typical of conspiracy theorists. It's just a bible for the true believers of the first film, meanwhile he can turn around to those who are skeptical of the first film, but still admire him and say "the movies aren't the movement!"

If anyone wants to start a thread where we can talk about incorrect parts of the document as a community, that'd be great, but I don't have the time to go through the entire thing myself like I did the movie.

I mentioned this in the first Zeitgeist debunking, it's called "information overload" and of course Peter Joseph mocked it, saying there's no such thing. It works like this: if I give you 1,000 pieces of information, but one is completely incorrect, I can stand back and say "I'm not wrong at all, you still didn't talk about the 999 other pieces!" and that's why conspiracy theorists do this.

Alex Jones does it, Jeff Rense does it, Bill Cooper did it, and Peter Joseph does it. The only difference is, PJ isn't promoting Austrian Economics... anymore.

After all, Peter Joseph says we're wrong, because he had someone else write 220 pages saying so, therefore if he says it, it must be true!

Best part:

>> they are really just denying data, creating "straw men" or simply lying.

HAHAHAHA! So 11 really does equal 12 and the hijackers are still alive, I'm a liar for thinking otherwise.

proof by verbosity is the technical term =P