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lofihigainPosted: May 04, 2010 - 23:17
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http://www.youtube.com/user/ChangeDaChannel#p/c/F2AC76054C463381</p>

This guy has some videos on FEMA camps and the such. It's probably not even worth it, you may as well just mess with Alex Jones. ChangeDaChannel is the guy who hosts the HD versions of Obama Deception and Fall of the Republic. He responds to comments using awful slang and a little text-speak. He'll let you post for awhile before eventually saying something hip, then banning you.

I'm very interested in these things: FEMA camps, everything being a false-flag attack, terrifying draconian policies that "they" will implement sometime in the vague future, vaccine paranoia, etc.. I know a ton of people who believe all or some of this.

It's very amusing stuff, actually; he uses all kinds of fun visuals, and the music is of his own making. Sometimes, he raps about how he used to be a hippie leftist (his own words).

The title of his series demands that you debunk his material.

"Debunk This! Series
A show for debunkers to do their thing. So many people find it hard to believe that we are being poisoned, tested on and killed by the powers that be. That indeed conspiracies exist and that anyone who speaks of this is just a nut job. This show isn't about why they do what they do, it's about the fact that it has and is being done. This wont be a show covering hours worth of evidence. We will focus on an element or two to keep it simple and to the point. It is my hope that some of these can be debunked so that knowledge of the truth can be refined. I also hope that if these can't be debunked, that people start to wake up to the reality of what happened in the past and continues to go on today so that the future doesn't consist of this cycle of destruction that kills us and the world we live in." -- ChangeDaChannel

It seems like this guy, much like Alex Jones, supports some of his theories by applying similar conspiracy theories to past events. I'm tired, does that make sense?

tear it up if you feel like it. I just thought I'd share.

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sorryPosted: May 04, 2010 - 23:20
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The more I see, the less I know. I admit I have no idea what FEMA is, although I've seen it mentioned hundreds of times. Maybe I'll read up on it some time when life isn't so busy.

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lofihigainPosted: May 04, 2010 - 23:27
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Federal Emergency Management Agency

www.fema.gov

Some people believe that FEMA is setting up concentration camps for...everyone!!! Or at least the people who resist. They usually show footage of riot control training and say it is evidence. Then, they show videos of thousands of coffins that are purportedly intended for us. Then, they tell you that FEMA is hiring. Now you have a conspiracy theory. There's more to it than that, but you get the general gist of it.

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Edward L WinstonPosted: May 04, 2010 - 23:34
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FEMA does have the ability to setup refugee camps for natural disasters (like after katrina) but this is taken to mean concentration camps by conspiracy theorists. Pretty much every claim is completely baseless, if you want to talk about each claim one at a time, we can.

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lofihigainPosted: May 04, 2010 - 23:57
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Alrighty then, I will try a hand. I volunteer to take notes on "Police State 4: The Rise of FEMA". It's 2:20 long...so I will have to take it slow. I have finals this week, but they shouldn't be too hard. It will be very tiring to go through every claim. I don't know how far I will get, or if I will take a different approach.

Alex Jones is probably the most widely known promoter of this one, right?

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Edward L WinstonPosted: May 05, 2010 - 00:05
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For sure

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Sil the ShillPosted: May 05, 2010 - 00:51
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The "FEMA Coffins" bit is one of the more hilarious things that CT's spout... coffins are for proper burials. If we were just going to be rounded up and gassed/mass exterminated/what have you, wouldn't body bags accomplish the same goal as "coffins" at a much more efficient rate anyways?

There was a JREF thread I read awhile back, they called in the property managers of the site where a lot of the "coffin footage" was filmed. Shockingly (but not really), it turns out they are not affiliated with the government at all, and they were just coffin holders (or something like that) that are purchased by customers and stored in advance.

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Edward L WinstonPosted: May 05, 2010 - 01:11
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They were casket vaults, in the popular video with Alex Jones he even says the name of the company, which includes the word "Vaults" he claims there's 250K or 500K there, but there's more like 20K.

This even comes as a huge contradiction, because he constantly says bodies will be burned, so why the hell would they need caskets?

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sorryPosted: May 05, 2010 - 09:39
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Thanks, lofihigain.

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lofihigainPosted: May 05, 2010 - 10:19
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To my knowledge, there is no point by point review of Police State 4. There is some immediately available debunking material on popular mechanics. I'm sure many of us have seen that aerial photo of the camp that was supposedly in Wyoming. The image came from Google Earth, and it is a work camp in north Korea. I'm doubting AJ used this one in his film, because he was called on it long before that movie came out. If I see it in his movie I will laugh very hard.

http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military/news/4312850

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Sil the ShillPosted: May 05, 2010 - 13:00
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lofi: I believe that was even featured on Glenn Beck during the first few months before he went completely off the edge.

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lofihigainPosted: May 05, 2010 - 15:35
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Yes, I actually just watched that Glenn Beck clip on YT.

This is going to take FOREVER. I'm only 15 minutes into Police State 4, and I have a cubic butt-load of notes already. I have more notes than I take in an hour and fifteen minute lecture.

AJ just keeps comin' at you. He's relentless. I have a new respect for Edward; his reviews must have been no easy task.

@ Edward: You had a transcript for Obama Deception from what I remember (or was it that you said you WANTED one?). Where did you find it? I'm pausing this movie every five seconds because he does things in rapid fire. Executive order this, HR bill that, blah blah blah, then he throws in little asides that have nothing to do with anything. Either way, I doubt a transcript is available to the public; it's a relatively new movie. I wonder if it would be worth it to go on Prison Planet and ask around...

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Sil the ShillPosted: May 05, 2010 - 17:05
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I just realized that the first line in your link mentions Glenn Beck. Comment from the "distressed mortician" is a good illustration of how people don't really think critically about these things:

>>"The company that makes these things call them "Casket Liners" not grave vaults.Google search it! I am a mortician and have been a funeral director for 30 years,
I have never used, bought or seen the so called FEMA "Casket liners" except on the web. We in the profession use concrete or metal vaults, period. Why would we or FEMA call them "Casket Liners" if they were Grave Vaults? I have never even heard the term "casket liners" until I saw the video of 500,000 or so of them in a field in Georgia. A grave vault is called a grave vault!
how could you fit a grave vault into a casket to line it? they are 5-10x the size of a casket! And again why call a grave vault a casket liner? And why for god's sake would we need 1/2 a million of them? As I said we in the bis use concrete or metal! As a professional I declare, we don't and we could never use them in that volume. Families want metal or concrete not plastic! This is terrifying, and I'm a mortician..."

I like how he starts and ends with "I'm a mortician" (LISTEN TO ME!)

and the rebuttal:

>>"The article calls them burial vaults or grave liners and states that the caskets are meant to go INTO them, not the other way around. The distressed mortician apparently didn't even read the article correctly. There are not 500,000 of them in the middle of Georgia, but something more like 50,000 (a reasonable quantity for a business like this to have in inventory).

Besides, if a government wanted to kill half a million people, I don't think they'd provide caskets/grave liners/whathaveyou for them. There would be mass graves, or heaps of bodies in isolated spots. They'd "disappear" people so their remains would never be found, not preserve them in polypropylene."

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Edward L WinstonPosted: May 05, 2010 - 17:36
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I get SO many emails like that:

I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but... I'm a pilot...
I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but... I've worked on an oil rig...
I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but... I'm a government employee...
I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but... I work at Verizon...
I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but... I'm an engineer...
I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but... I'm a mortician...
I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but... I'm a demolition expert...
I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but... I'm a film director...

None say "I'm a conspiracy theorist and I sit on the Internet all day, but..."

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babybackribsPosted: May 05, 2010 - 17:38
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@Edward
I'm a conspiracy theorist and I sit on the Internet all day, but!.... I make a great tuna casserole.

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