Skeptic Project

I'll just start by introducing myself.

Hello everyone. My name is Hoyt. I've known about The Zeitgeist Movies for a little over one year now. I got on the internet once, high as a kite, and started thinking about what a bad place the world really was. After some long thinking I came to the conclusion that most problems came from money and everything that money had started.
So I got on Google and searched exactly this: "a world without money". I got a youtube video about Future by Design, Jacque Fresco and The Venus Project. I was simply amazed at what I saw. Not only did Jacque kind of share my idea about money, but his vision was just so much better than what we had now.
I kept looking at videos and soon I found videos of this guy named 'Peter Joseph' and 'Zeitgeist the Movie'. At some point I finally found the Zeitgeist movie website. So I watched the first. I was again amazed. All these things I didn't know about at first. Except for 9/11 of course, anyone with a little bit of common sense can imagine how impossible it is for a couple of desert-warriors to hijack airplanes of the United States and fly them into the most secure buildings in the United States. The whole thing about money didn't really shock me, somewhere I always knew, but never like this.
Zeitgeist: Addendum then pointed me towards The Zeitgeist Movement and also told me more about The Venus Project.

http://www.thezeitgeistmovement.com/joomla/index.php?option=com_kunena&func=view&catid=231&id=343926&Itemid=100114&lang=en#343926

Probably a thought process like "How can my mom off my back about being 15-19 and just getting high all day?"

Truthers always make these racist comments, one some guy didnt even try and cover it up and just said "sand people".

The weird thing is the alignment of these guys with 9/11 CTs.
I've been browsing the german TZM board for some fun stuff, and their debunkings of Z1 are actually pretty decent, even the banking stuff. Sure, more than enough loons still, but what would you expect.

Do people not realize how racist it is to refer to the terrorists as "cave dwellers."

Cyborg, you mean the germans are debubunking Zeitgeist CTs? That would be funny.

Interesting! Its funny because the language barrier stops crazies from understanding each other

^ Yes that.

Z1 is an embarrassment that is inhibiting any constructive conversation. It is the reason why so many have left the movement. My wife works in media advertising and her analysis is this: Z1 got 50M hits, not all of those hits were friendly, Z2 got about 10M, Z3 is up to 8M. So where are the millions of members expected from the 3rd movie? When advertising campaigns don't result in the desired action then it us classified as a failure. The thing you do with failures is learn from them.

I went to a local lecture series and in a theatre that at least seats 200 only 35 people showed. Then they had another screening of Z3 which I didn't stay for and I think another 15 showed up. This was a far cry from January when they sold out an 800 seat theatre. So TZM I'm not saying this to be an ass but it is time to rebrand and become a real activist movement. Being associated with the Zeitgeist brand is not helping your cause.

We should hold a contest and brainstorm a new name for TZM.

Z3 is up to 8M

That's actually pretty good. From an advertiser's point of view, their call to action is pretty dismal. Sure, you can join a nerdy forum and discuss things that don't have consequences, but that's not what a real movement should be about.

I personally don't think there should be a movement at all but a think-tank, but I don't really believe you can use RBE ideology as a foundation for anything, so I'd throw it out and start over anyway.

^ Anything associated with Peter Joseph in the future isn't going to be taken seriously. It'll be "wasn't he the guy who..." The best bet would be to completely start over, no TZM, no Peter, etc and in that case it wouldn't really be a rebranding, but something completely different. Peter Joseph won't ever rename TZM because it's attached to him, it's a name sake.

TZM uses far-right talking points to promote far-left ideology when it comes to economics.

But do they hold the major taboos that TZM does?

I'm not sure how many hits TZM got but if Vasper/CyborgJesus figures are true lets factor in some more things that Vasper probably hasn't consider and or doesn't know of. The first release of Z1 was without a TZM linguistic team , the second release of Z2 was without a TZM linguistic team or help, Z3 had a linguistic team that translated Peter's movies free of charge into about every translation possible (Granted both Z1, and Z2 were also translated as well but not on release dates).

From the time elapsed between each movie I see a decline not a incline in views and at that you have to ask yourself the fanbase built around the movie; how much of the fan base is repeat viewers or viewers who have watched the movie 5 maybe 10 times or more. To think in a different perspective think about what TZM is suppose to be and what the translation of the movie are suppose to be which at that it's suppose to be a global movement therefore the movies translated represents a movie released on a global scale simultaneously.

So the question a person should ask themselves is this. Is 8 million views of Z3 on a global scale with probably a lot of repeat viewers and global promotional advertising (spamming websites) really that impressive? In my opinion and experience in global marketing advertising on the interweb no not at all that's really bad. Now if this was just 8 million views in lets say just in Sweden or some other 1 country I'd say that's pretty good but not on a global scale it's just horrible. I even considered the amount of time everybody got to watch the movie till now and I still think 8m for Z3 is bad on a global level.

Z3 was released after Jared Lee Loughner had shot a politicia so TZM had global media publicity as well (negative as it was) and Peter can only make 8m views for something that is free and globally released? The Jared Lee Loughner thing is a very horrible event that occurred with a individual who was in the Zeitgeist Movement but really if that event hadn't of occurred I can't help but think if the amount of times the video was viewed would go up or down...

In short Z3 was a total global failure. I didn't watch Z3 but I do think it had TVP content in it; I'd imagine this was in a way a global success for TVP even though TZM and TVP are no longer affiliated with each other. TVP having little numbers to begin with will probably see growth because of Z3 which is mainly do to the TVP content in Z3 but I can imagine TZM numbers have dropped way way down because of everything that has happened and not just considering the low view counts to Z3.

They need a damn goal. It was making a movie, is it still test cities?

I've been gone for a year now and nothing has been accomplished. Not that this should come as a surprise to anyone.