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BrentonPosted: Jan 29, 2010 - 00:30
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"That's right -- micro chipped. In 2005, congress under the pretense of immigration control and the so called war on terrorism, passed the Real ID act, under which it is projected by May 2008, you will be required to carry around a Federal Identification card which includes on it a scannable bar code with you personal information."

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Never happened, not even close. Swing and miss.

Source: http://conspiracyscience.com/articles/predictions/view/27/national-id-cards-coming-may-2008/

Peter Joseph wasn't predicting this. This was actually supposed to happen, it was never his 'theory'.

National ID Card Rules Unveiled:

Homeland Security officials released long-delayed guidelines that turn state-issued identification cards into de facto internal passports Thursday, estimating the changes will cost states and individuals $23 billion over 10 years.

The move prompted a new round of protest from civil libertarians and security experts, who called on Congress to repeal the 2005 law known as the Real ID Act that mandates the changes.

Critics, such as American Civil Liberties Union attorney Tim Sparapani, charge that the bill increases government access to data on Americans and amplifies the risk of identity theft, without providing significant security benefits.

"Real ID creates the largest single database about U.S. people that has ever been created," Sparapani said. "This is the people who brought you long lines at the DMV marrying the people at DHS who brought us Katrina. It's a marriage we need to break up."

Homeland Security officials point to the 9/11 hijackers' ability to get driver's licenses in Virginia using false information as justification for the sweeping changes.

"Raising the security standards on driver's licenses establishes another layer of protection to prevent terrorists from obtaining and using fake documents to plan or carry out an attack," Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff said in a press release.

The 162 pages of proposed rules (.pdf) require:

Applicants must present a valid passport, certified birth certificate, green card or other valid visa documents to get a license and states must check all other states' databases to ensure the person doesn't have a license from another state.
States must use a card stock that glows under ultraviolet light, and check digits, hologramlike images and secret markers.
Identity documents must expire before eight years and must include legal name, date of birth, gender, digital photo, home address and a signature. States can propose ways to let judges, police officers and victims of domestic violence keep their addresses off the cards. There are no religious exemptions for veils or scarves for photos.
States must keep copies of all documents, such as birth certificates, Social Security cards and utility bills, for seven to 10 years.
However, many difficult questions, such as how state databases will be linked or how homeless people can get identity documents, were left unanswered by the proposed rules. Citizens of states that don't abide by the guidelines will not be able to enter federal courthouses or use their identity cards to board a commercial flight.

Sophia Cope, a staff attorney at the centrist Center for Democracy and Technology, says the rules only mention privacy once.

"The Real ID Act does not include language that lets DHS prescribe privacy requirements, so there are no privacy regulations related to exchange of personal information between the states, none about skimming of the data on the magnetic stripe, and no limits on use of information by the feds," Cope said.

The Real ID Act, slipped into an emergency federal funding bill without hearings, originally required states to begin issuing the ID documents by May 2008. The proposed rules allow states to ask for an extension until Jan. 1, 2010.

Source: http://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/news/2007/03/72843</p>

Homeland Security to Unveil New Driver's License Rules:

WASHINGTON — Americans born after Dec. 1, 1964, will have to get more secure driver's licenses in the next six years under ambitious post-9/11 security rules to be unveiled Friday by federal officials.

The Homeland Security Department has spent years crafting the final regulations for the REAL ID Act, a law designed to make it harder for terrorists, illegal immigrants and con artists to get government-issued identification. The effort once envisioned to take effect in 2008 has been pushed back in the hopes of winning over skeptical state officials.

Even with more time, more federal help and technical advances, REAL ID still faces stiff opposition from civil liberties groups.

To address some of those concerns, the government now plans to phase in a secure ID initiative that Congress passed into law in 2005. Now, DHS plans a key deadline in 2011, and then further measures to be enacted three years later, according to congressional staffers who spoke to The Associated Press on condition of anonymity because an announcement had not yet been made. DHS officials briefed legislative aides on the details late Thursday.

Without discussing details, Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff promoted the final rules for REAL ID during a meeting Thursday with an advisory council.

Source: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,321925,00.html

REAL ID Act
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Portions of the Real ID Act pertaining to states were scheduled to take effect on May 11, 2008, three years after the law passed, but the deadline had been extended to December 31, 2009. On January 11, 2008, it was announced the deadline has been extended again, until 2011, in hopes of gaining more support from states.

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/REAL_ID_Act#State_adoption_and_non-compliance</blockquote>

I'd have to say I think it's unfair to list it as some prediction of Peter J, when in-fact this is one instance of him reporting what was expected.

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Edward L WinstonPosted: Jan 29, 2010 - 00:43
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He said it himself, with such conviction. After all you said yourself there were problems with the first film, why rush to defend it? I'm just holding people accountable for their predictions, especially when they claim the next step is microchipping people -- was that expected too? It's not just about getting a date wrong, it's about making an over the top prediction.

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BrentonPosted: Jan 29, 2010 - 03:59
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In that broader sense you do have quite a valid point. It's still unfair to attribute the REAL ID Act as his 'prediction', though because that's definitively not his prediction. So in that light, perhaps it'd be appropriate for you to redefine the listed 'prediction' to fit that.

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EdPosted: Jan 29, 2010 - 08:15
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@Brenton:

I think a better question for me is this:

Maybe I'm missing something but how do you get a "microchipped" population from Real ID?

Peter says that people will be microchipped then cites the Real ID act. Now, I have only skimmed the articles and read the Wiki page on it but I couldn't see anything about microchips, but I do see its about a lot of other things.

So, how is he making the connection between something like Verichip and Real ID?

Carrying around ID cards is rather different to a microchip implant, don't you think?

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BrentonPosted: Jan 31, 2010 - 21:17
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>> Maybe I'm missing something but how do you get a "microchipped" population from Real ID

Unfortunately he was listening to Alex Jones when he made that film, which is now not the case.

Alex Jones and other fundies have been saying that technology will be the mark of the beast for -ages-.

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Agent MattPosted: Feb 01, 2010 - 09:04
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"Unfortunately he was listening to Alex Jones when he made that film, which is now not the case."

I'd pick a more discerning guru if I were you.

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EdPosted: Feb 01, 2010 - 16:55
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@Brenton:

You wrote: "Unfortunately he was listening to Alex Jones when he made that film, which is now not the case.

Alex Jones and other fundies have been saying that technology will be the mark of the beast for -ages-. "
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So why do you think he will not admit there are any errors in his first film outside something as major as a typo?

He still believes in 911 Truth, still believes the Income Tax is illegal, etc

When will the guy who said its great when you're proven wrong admit when he was wrong?

Oh another thing, this isn't about him listening to Alex Jones. This is just another example of Peter talking about things he knows nothing about. He cited Real ID as if that proved everyone was going to be microchipped, as if that was some kind of evidence for it. But Real ID, in so far as I can see, makes no mention of microchipping anyone!

Peter claimed to have edited Part 2 of Zeitgeist 3 times to include only what was evidenced, he said. God knows what he took out!

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SkyPosted: Feb 01, 2010 - 19:16
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>"Peter claimed to have edited Part 2 of Zeitgeist 3 times to include only what was evidenced, he said. God knows what he took out!"<

There are two versions of Zeitgeist on google video, a Remastered / Final Edition, and one labled "THIS VERSION IS NOW OLD!".

I'm more interested in what Peter Joseph Merola's original live multimedia Zeitgeist show looked like:

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y51/salvorhardin/zeit.jpg</p>

Live marimba freakout jam sessions? The Acharya S backup dancers?

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EdPosted: Feb 01, 2010 - 22:22
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@Sky:

I didn't get the impression when he said he reedited ZG's 911 section 3 times that he meant those versions, but ones he didn't include in any release.

And yes it would be interesting to know what else he did on that night bescides showing the film and how he included the "solo percussion" in it. I wonder what he means "for tape and film", for TAPE? What does that mean I wonder? :S

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SkyPosted: Feb 01, 2010 - 22:59
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>"I didn't get the impression when he said he reedited ZG's 911 section 3 times that he meant those versions, but ones he didn't include in any release."<

Is this what you're talking about?

http://thezeitgeistmovement.com/joomla/index.php?option=com_kunena&Itemid=99999&func=view&catid=232&id=101709&limit=10&limitstart=20#101888

"Now, back to my original point, I redid Z1 three times to beat off all the belligerent "debunkers" who cant read anything but an encyclopedia."

It sounds like he is talking about reediting the video after it was released in response to critics.

>"And yes it would be interesting to know what else he did on that night bescides showing the film and how he included the "solo percussion" in it. I wonder what he means "for tape and film", for TAPE? What does that mean I wonder? :S"<

You could always ask him.

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EdPosted: Feb 02, 2010 - 11:29
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@Sky:

Wow I hadn't even seen that post before. Somehow I missed it! Very interesting.

But I remember him saying on the radio show that he reedited Zeitgeist Part 2 three times to only keep what was evidenced. Maybe he meant Part 1 and this was what he was referring to. Wish I could find the original quote.

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