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Update 5/15/2013: TVP now managed to raise $200,000 dollars in donations for the TVP Big budget Movie.



TVP has recently raised $100,000 in donations to hire a script writer for their big budget movie. In that I have a prediction I want to give about the $100,000, a writer for hirer, and the big budget movie. I do not think the movie will be made nor do I think the $100,000 will go towards a writer of any sort. I say this mainly because TVP keeps moving the goal post.

I have found zero advertisements anywhere on the web of TVP actually looking for a script writer, I mean I'd expect some advertisement on the internet of TVP actively trying to find a writer but upon googling I find nothing. As far as I was able to search on the actually TVP website I could not even find a place where one could apply or send work in for the script writers position on the site itself. At that Roxanne has "changed the goal post" as she just doesn't want a normal script writer she wants a script writer who also is apart of TVP and agrees with the values of TVP and a RBE and is willing to come to the venus project and listen to Fresco lecture on a week to week bases. Ok fine?... No not really what does this exactly mean... From what I see, a die hard TVP member will more than likely write a script and refuse to take the $100,000 because in their dogma belief system money is bad. Why will Fresco and Roxanne get away with this? Easy because many TVPers will say the script writer wants the $100,000 to go towards the movie and also because money doesn't matter because it's bad. In the end Jacque Fresco is the mastermind for this con but Roxanne will follow through with it and keep the $100,000 because no TVPer that is writing a script for the movie will take the money and she will probably spend it on other things besides the movie itself.

This is my prediction for the TVP big budget movie. I thought I'd put out a prediction before hand so when something similar to this actually happens I can refer TVPers to this link while I laugh at them. Why Roxanne would move the goal post when looking for a script writer is pretty obvious because simply she's not looking or she's looking for someone to do it for free aka the old bate and switch. Roxanne has not said much about the movie unless asked directly about it in the TVP FAQ each sunday other than that there is nothing. Be prepared to be scammed. The worst or funny part of this scam is TVPers will rationalize the scam off into a positive and not even perceive it as a scam in their twisted logic.


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Topic A:

Tracking the progress of The Venus Project Multimillion dollar Big Budget Movie

Summary: This includes a brief description, dates, and a links to other posts within this topic that when clicked upon shows detailed information of what happened. The information is long to read and at times it can be redundant but it's intentional as to attempt to point out the same actions being repeated in different circumstances multiple times and at that for transparency.


1. A update on my TVP big budget movie prediction posted on Aug 19, 2012. Within this post Roxanne fired a script writer that no one even new TVP had hired. TVP has changed the goal post when looking for a script writer. How can TVP be looking for a script writer when they are not even advertising for one anywhere and have admitted to not advertising for one? Roxanne claims to of hired a script writer but how do we know if she did or did not based on her word? Anticultists Big budget Movie prediction because pretty accurate. TVP promotes adhearing to people who have more experience in a particular field so why do they not listen to Doug Drexler who has worked on television/movie such as Star Trek: Deep Space Nine, Star Trek: Voyager, Starship Troopers, TVP's future by design, when it comes to the TVP big budget movie. Doug Drexler has said TVP needs to start a kickstarted to raid fund for the big budget movie, TVP has yet to do so. CyborgJesus suggests a more practical way to implement TVP's movie. This is posted on Aug 19, 2012
a. A update on my prediction posted on Aug 19, 2012.

2. Roxxane admits they were not advertising for script writers on a audio recording on July 1, 2012. This was posted on Aug 19, 2012
a. TVP admits to not advertising for a script writer posted on Aug 19, 2012

3. TVP fired the script writer. Roxanne says they have 40 to 50% of the big budget movie script done in a Q and A. Posted on Oct 29, 2012
a. Roxanne says 40 to 50% of script is done Posted on SP.com Oct 29, 2012

4. TVP now managed to raise $200,000 dollars in donations for the TVP Big budget Movie. Roxanne responds to this topic on SP.com indirectly. Posted on Dec 30, 2012
a. TVP now raised $200,000 posted on SP.com on Dec 30, 2012

5. Roxanne was asked how the big budget movie is going, Roxanne hesitantly answers that not much progress has been going on do to Fresco's injury. Roxanne claims TVP ahs went through 15-20 script writers and are now doing the script themselves. How can they go through 15-20 script writers if they didn't even put any advertisements out for script writers? I suggest Roxanne should stop talking about the big budget movie before she digs herself even a bigger hole. I suggest zero progress has been made on TVP's big budget movie. Posted on Mar 11, 2013
a. Not much progress on TVP big budget movie posted on SP.com on Mar 11, 2013

6. Even more excuses as to why the big budget movie script has not been done. It's been a year since Roxanne made a claim that she has got 50% of the script done. Posted on May 03, 2013.
a. More exuses why TVP big budget movie is not done posted on SP.com on May 03, 2013

7. TVP claims to have another script writer but neglects to say how much they are paying the script writer or the NAME of the script writer again. They also claim to have a producer for the TVP big budget movie as well but again neglects to mention a NAME of the produce. TVP is making anybody who wants to transcribe the book "The Best the Money Can't Buy" sign a non-disclosure agreement... Posted on May 14, 2013
a. TVP does not say who the script writer is or the name of the script writer posted on SP.com on May 14, 2013

8. Roxanne says the TVP script will be done within two months. Posted on Jul 01, 2013
a. TVP bid budget movie script will be done in two months posted on SP.com on Jul 01, 2013

9. Shaun a admin on TVP says the TVP big budget movie will get done by 2017 and be out. TVPers need to market to major studios. Posted on Jul 28, 2013
a. TVP big budget movie will get done by 2017 posted on SP.com on Jul 28, 2013

10. Roxanne claims the first draft of the TVP big budget movie is done but needs to be rewritten by various people. She neglects again to give a name as to who the script writer is yet she is as she says pleased with the script writer whoever they are... Posted on Aug 26, 2013
a. TVP big budget movie script done but needs to be rewritten posted on SP.com on Aug 26, 2013

11. During a Q and A a question was asked to give the name of the script writer and producer of TVP's big budget movie. Michael Holz said no and that they would need permission by the script writer before they can release his name. In next question by Mats asks TVP if they can get a website up or that he would gladly create a website to give more presence for the big Budget movie and give updates on it. Basically Buxton said no and all updates will be given on the TVP site directly, Roxanne responded that she defers to the producer as to if a website should be put up about this and that she will not have much say on this. Posted on Sep 03, 2013.
a. Why TVp cannot release the name of the script writer or producer posted on Sep 03, 2013

12. I was listening to some older podcasts on blog talk radio. I happened to listen Cowpote radio at which he called up TVP on april 21, 2011. He asked Roxanne various question about the big budget movie at which one of Roxanne's response is that she had the big budget movie script already developed and is now working on getting a professional script writer now. The thing here is she is telling the guy on April 21 2011 that the script is done and they are looking for a professional script writer and keep in mind that she acknowledge in the radio interview that she didn't know she was on the radio. So lets fast forward two years later to now where apparently she's now done with the rough draft of the script again and apparently has a unnamed script writer looking at it as of August 25 2013. Something weird is going on here. Why would she claim to have the rough draft of the big budget movie script done two years ago (April 21, 2011) as said on cowpote radio and now say she has the rough draft done for the script done two years after that (August 25, 2012)? I think we solved this already TVP is just hooking everybody along for the ride and trying to score as much cash as they can. There are no silver bullets but by far this is the best damning evidence that would suggest TVP big budget movie is a scam and is not going to happen. Posted on SP.com on Sep 14, 2013
a. TVP claims to of had the big budget movie script done on april 21, 2011 posted on SP.com on Sep 14, 2013

13. TVP is making another movie called "The Choice is Ours" when they have not even finished with the big budget movie yet. Posted on Oct 04, 2013
a. TVP's "The Choice is Ours" posted on SP.com Oct 04, 2013
TVP announces on TVP facebook group about the "The Choice is Ours". Posed on SP.com on Nov 08, 2013
b. TVP announces "The Choice is Ours". on FB posted on SP.com on Nov 08, 2013
TVP raised $75,000 for the "The Choice is Ours" TVP movie. Posted on Nov 12, 2013
c. TVP raised $75,000 Posted on SP.com on Nov 12, 2013

14. Roxanne claims to be working with a producer and that they want to get actors and directors. She neglects again to tell us the name of the producer at that she neglects to say what her methods will be to acquire these actors, directors etc... Posted on Oct 07, 2013
a. No name producer is working on the TVP big budget movie Posted on SP.com on Oct 07 2013

15. They talks about the "The Choice is Ours" movie and seem to take less focus on the TVP big budget movie. Shaun says this movie he believes is a three part documentary. That will be releases over the next year. Shaun wants to raise money for equipment to do better seminars. Wants better intro's, wants better music. I need flashy graphics not just pure information.
a. "The Choice is Ours" documentary, not big budget movie, raise a few thousand dollars for media equipment in TVP Education Presents (22 Dec 2013)

16. Roxanne does a update on the TVP "The Choice is Ours" $75,000 movie. She says things for the movie are coming along. Roxanne says they decided to spend some of the $75,000 to get interviews for the movie and admits the interviews were not apart of the original plans when raising money for TVP "The Choice is Ours" $75,000 movie.
a. Update on TVP "The Choice is Ours" $75,000 movie. (9 March 2014)

17. The $75,000 "The choice is ours" movie is coming out within a month or so. No word on the TVP big budget movie.
a. Update on TVP "The Choice is Ours" $75,000 movie. (7 April 2014)

18. TVP update on "The choice is ours" $75,000 movie.
a. Update on TVP "The Choice is Ours" $75,000 movie on facebook on August 22, 2014

19. TVP update on "The choice is ours" $75,000 movie, TVP big budget movie and Fresco's health.
a. Update on TVP "The Choice is Ours" $75,000 movie and TVP big budget movie on facebook on Nov 9,2014

20. TVP released preview of the "Choice is Ours" movie.
a. TVP released preview of the "Choice is Ours" movie on Jan 27, 2015

21. TVP released parts I and II of "The Choice is Ours" movie. Final part III of "The Choice is Ours" has yet to be released.
a. TVP released parts I and II of "The Choice is Ours" movie on March 2, 2015

22. The Choice is ours trailer is up after 9 months. Posted on youtube channel January 3, 2016. The Choice is Ours (2016) Full Feature Parts 1-4 for general release on Youtube January 20th, 2016.
a. The Choice is Ours (2016) Official Trailer posted on TVP youtube channel on January 3, 2016

23. The choice is ours TVP movie is finally done. The TVP project started on Oct 04, 2013 and video is finally published on January 23, 2016. So when will they start up on the TVP big budget movie again or will the $200,000 donated for the movie be forgotten...
a. The Choice is Ours (2016) is complete posted on youtube on January 23, 2016


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Topic B:

Skeptoicproject.com members thoughts on The Venus Project Multimillion dollar Big Budget Movie.

Summary: This includes a brief description, dates, and a links to other posts within this topic that when clicked upon shows detailed information of what happened. The information is long to read and at times it can be redundant but it's intentional as to attempt to point out the same actions being repeated in different circumstances multiple times and at that for transparency.

1. JimJesus Goes into why the TVP big Budget movie approach is not practical on Jun 13, 2012
a. TVP big budget movie not practical posted on SP.com on Jun 13 2012
The Burger King suggests why the big budget movie would be a interesting concept. Posted on Jun 15, 2012.
b. TVP movie a interesting concept posted on SP.com on Jun 15 2012

2. CyborgJesus suggests a more reasonable ways to make a TVP Big Budget Movie posted on Jun 02, 2012
a. More reasonable ways to make TVP big budget movie posted on SP.com on Jun 02, 2012

3. Anticultist mentions a blog he wrote on January/10/2010 called "Venus Project - Hollywood blockbuster" as well as mentions why TVP is a scam. he posted this on Jun 10, 2012
a. Anticultist blog "Venus Project - Hollywood blockbuster" posted on SP.com on Jun 10, 2012

4. TVP member named Nate gets upset at this particular topic I wrote about TVP big budget movie and wanted to voice his frustrations to me when within a TVP TS3 lecture I attended. Posted on Jun 10, 2012
a. Nate gets upset at what I wrote posted on SP.com on Jun 10, 2012
Why Nate would be upset Posted on Jun 11, 2012
b. Why Nate may have been upset posted on SP.com on Jun 11, 2012

5. Anticultist makes a prediction that Roxanne is milking this for all it's worth so she will eventually sell the TVP compound and run off with the money. Posted on SP.com on May 03, 2013.
a. TVP going to take the money and run posted on SP.com on May 03, 2013

6. JimJesus goes into why and how "Atlas Shrugged" was made, which is that it had investment of two rich people. Posted on Aug 28, 2013
a. TVP is like "Atlas Shrugged" posted on SP.com on Aug 28, 2013

7. My predication still holding true. My prediction is they will take the money and just give excuses without actually showing any proof that the movie is actually getting made and hope people will forget about it. Posted on Aug 30, 2013
a. TVP will take the money and strong people along posted on SP.com on Aug 30, 2013
CyborgJesus says TVP's big budget movie will not be made. Goes in to depth that they need rich investors to fund the movie. Posted on Aug 30, 2013
b. Need rich investor to get a movie off the ground posted on SP.com on Aug 30, 2013
Anticultists gives his prediction again as to why TVP big budget movie will not be made. Posted on Aug 31, 2013.
c. Anticultists prediction on TVP big budget movie Aug 31, 2013

8. Anticutlist notes that TVPers wouldn't care what TVP did with the donated money that is suppose to be used for a script writer because of cognitive dissonance. Posted on Sep 14, 2013
a. Cognitive dissonance when it comes to TVPers posted on SP.com on Sep 14, 2013


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Topic C:

Tracking the progress of The Venus Project Multimillion dollar Big Budget Movie through video/Audio file TVP seminars.

Summary: This includes a brief description, dates, and a links to other posts within this topic that when clicked upon shows detailed information of what happened. The information is long to read and at times it can be redundant but it's intentional as to attempt to point out the same actions being repeated in different circumstances multiple times and at that for transparency.

1.August 12 2012 Online Seminar - Jacque Fresco & Roxanne Meadows and July 1 2012 Online Seminar - Jacque Fresco & Roxanne Meadows
Here is a brief abstract of a Q & A on TS3 Roxanne most recent response as of August 12 2012 about firing the script writer because there and most script writers work is unacceptable.

"24:00 7. Any updates on the motion picture? The motion picture writer they have commissioned with a down payment (sort of), The writing of this script was really not to there liking. So fresco and Roxanne are taking the script and doing it themselves. we're going to pretty much take it and don't have much respect for what they have seen in script writers. We're going to do the script writing ourselves. The good thing about that We won't be paying ourselves so we'll have a lot of fund left over. To further the movie once we get the script writing finished. Perhaps we'll show what we have with other script writers and do a total rewrite of the script. To get a budget it or use the money to travel to pitch the movie concept to other people, so in that way the money will be good. " (voice recording of what she said fully is below start at 24:00)

a. http://thevenusproject.minus.com/i/b0fNjjzEkgLtB
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b. https://archive.org/details/AAugust122012OnlineSeminarJacqueFrescoRoxanneMeadows

"Roxanne - what is the name of the script writer who is - working on the film - what is their specific background? We have a right to know as we donated hundreds of dollars..." Recording July 1, 2012 starting at 25:00, (she does not mention who the writer is or where they came from)

c. http://thevenusproject.minus.com/lbsel1oMef3n0I
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d. https://archive.org/details/BCJuly12012OnlineSeminarJacqueFrescoRoxanneMeadows

Where Roxanne admits that TVP did not advertise for a script writer on any place on record July 1, 2012. start at 39:00
"Are you advertising for a script writer for the TVP big budget movie? If so what places online are you advertising for this script writer position besides the TVP website?" No, not at this time.

e. http://thevenusproject.minus.com/lbsel1oMef3n0I
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f. https://archive.org/details/BCJuly12012OnlineSeminarJacqueFrescoRoxanneMeadows
Where this audio or video was referenced on SP.com
g. http://conspiracies.skepticproject.com/forum/5349/the-venus-projects-100000-big-budget-movie-scam-prediction/#reply-94d2bff7
h. http://conspiracies.skepticproject.com/forum/5349/the-venus-projects-100000-big-budget-movie-scam-prediction/#reply-2a65d341
i. http://conspiracies.skepticproject.com/forum/5349/the-venus-projects-100000-big-budget-movie-scam-prediction/#reply-2b101724



2. TVP Seminar #61 Sep 30, 2012

00:26:30 Question: Jacque and Roxanne, if you could give us a percentage of how far the script is to completion, what percentage would you give us? (example: 25%)
Response: Roxanne said 40 to 50%.

a. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K20ppYtaxZM
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b. https://archive.org/details/ATVPSeminar61Mar32013.3gp
Where this audio or video was referenced on SP.com
c. http://conspiracies.skepticproject.com/forum/5349/the-venus-projects-100000-big-budget-movie-scam-prediction/#reply-495b473c



3. TVP seminar 83 Mar 3, 2013

37:40 - 41:18
Why does TVP hire a $100,000 script writer, when they could get volunteers to do it for free and also what's the current status of the movie? Roxanne responds but pauses with a ummm, then says that they did go through a lot of people who wanted to help with the script for free. The people got in touch with us when TVP put out a announcement that they were looking for script writers.
Roxanne says they went through 15-20 script writers. They decided to take on the script writing themselves, the movie is on hold because Fresco got into a accident and He needed attention.
Roxanne says they made very good contacts regarding the script. She doesn't want to talk about it specifically until everything is more definite. They made contact to a person whose reaching out to different script writers to professional script writers. The script writers being reached are not in the united states some are in Russia.
She has connection with a lot of those people. Roxanne says they are working with another group to come here and brainstorm on the TVP compound for two weeks with a lot of script writers.
There working in many different angles and it's still underway and still developing.
Connections we're making are a lot better. Roxanne hates to talk about things in the making until it really happens.
A lot of things start to happen and don't come through, Roxanne wants to wait until things are more definite but we're not stopping, everything is underway we're making progress I feel as well as Fresco is making progress in his walking ability. He's gone from a walker to a cane to walking around the house with no assistance.

a. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5mnRwBZSvDQ
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b. https://archive.org/details/ATVPSeminar83March32013
Where this audio or video was referenced on SP.com
c. http://conspiracies.skepticproject.com/forum/5349/the-venus-projects-100000-big-budget-movie-scam-prediction/#reply-2b101724



4. TVP seminar #89 May 12, 2013

00:30 Roxanne talks about how when she says TVP is not doing anything that doesn't mean their not doing anything.
1:00 TZM LTI is having a transcirbathon to transcribe Fresco's book called the best that money can't buy.
TVP is asking that people who want to transcribe sign a non-disclosure agreement before they transcribe. She then mentions to contact Gman to transcribe.
2:30 Roxanne says the script is coming along and that they have hired a script writer.
That the script writer is working very closely with TVP. They also found a producer.
Roxanne emphasizes they they really need to refine the script.
3:15 Talks about Fresco biography and that their working on that. The person doing the biography is
Wilson Hawthorne.

a. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zO22Yx_EWRc
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b. https://archive.org/details/ATVPSeminar89May122013
Where this audio or video was referenced on SP.com
c. http://conspiracies.skepticproject.com/forum/5349/the-venus-projects-100000-big-budget-movie-scam-prediction/#reply-ada6c9d6



5. The Venus Project Seminar (30 June) Updates & Cybernation June 30, 2013

1:15 What's happening with the big budget movie script?
Roxanne says the script is coming along it will take a couple more months to finish.
TVP has a producer now as well.

a. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ej_h6V0GcDA
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b. https://archive.org/details/ATheVenusProjectSeminarJune30UpdatesCybernationMay122013
Where this audio or video was referenced on SP.com
c. http://conspiracies.skepticproject.com/forum/5349/the-venus-projects-100000-big-budget-movie-scam-prediction/#reply-119227b6



6. The Venus Project Seminar - Road Map 1 (28 July 2013)

27:00-35:00 more info on TVP big budget movie
Shaun Basically goes through what we need to do to get phase 2 the movie done. He suggests the TVP big budget movie will get done before 2017 and be out. He also says that peoples mindsets will not be prepared for TVP transition until 3 generations later. He says we need to market to major motion studios. They will need to get a major studio to do it and get their money back.

a. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwusTc0UmmE
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b. https://archive.org/details/ATheVenusProjectSeminarRoadMap1July282013
Where this audio or video was referenced on SP.com
c. http://conspiracies.skepticproject.com/forum/5349/the-venus-projects-100000-big-budget-movie-scam-prediction/2/#reply-e422f01a



7. The Venus Project Seminar (25 August 2013)

12:10 time stamp
Question, anything going on with the big budget movie script?
Roxanne answers: they put together first draft for the script. Their really pleased with the script writer. First draft of the script is done. It's coming along but not done, has to go through various other people so their is still a lot of work needed before the script is done.

a. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zX3DYOyjU9I
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b. https://archive.org/details/ATheVenusProjectSeminarAugust252013
Where this audio or video was referenced on SP.com
c. http://conspiracies.skepticproject.com/forum/5349/the-venus-projects-100000-big-budget-movie-scam-prediction/2/#reply-0a7935bd



8. POC Q&A Session 8 Sep 1. 2013

30:50 Time Stamp
Questions by Mats: At this stage, would it be possible to reveal the names of the writer(s) and the producer(s) for the motion picture? Or at least to talk about some of their previous work and/or experience? A general update on the progress would also be appreciated.
Answer: Risto says That Roxanne gave a general update in last seminar.
Michael Holz goes into defense in not giving the writers and producers personal information such as what their names are
without their permission. So No it's not possible to reveal their names unless you ask them personally.
32:20 Time Stamp
Questions by Mats: Has TVP considered a dedicated website to the motion picture for updates and the like, given its high priority? If not, I would be interested in creating one and give the motion picture more presence in social media and other platforms.
Answer: Risto reads Andrews reply to Mats which is,"No all updates will be on the Venus project website as when when there are any.".
Risto reads Roxanne's response, "We have a first draft of the film, and this will be something the producer will decide when it is appropriate he has been in the business and has already has option for trying to raise funds, this is his field."

a. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Un8lpHvZSs0#t=30m50s
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b. https://archive.org/details/APOCQASession8Sep12013
Where this audio or video was referenced on SP.com
c. http://conspiracies.skepticproject.com/forum/5349/the-venus-projects-100000-big-budget-movie-scam-prediction/2/#reply-e0041aab



9. THE THURSDAY NIGHT NEWS AND HANK CARTER FROM THE DESTROYERS April 21, 2011

51:10 Time stamp on April 21, 2011 Cowpote calls tvp Roxanne says she wrote the script already and has got a professional script writer. Roxanne acknowledges that she did not know she was on the cowpote radio show.
65:00 Time stamp talks about TVP only making 30k in donations.

a. http://www.blogtalkradio.com/cowpote/2011/04/22/the-tuesday-night-troll-show-on-blogtalkradio
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b. https://archive.org/details/AShow1765885April212011
Where this audio or video was referenced on SP.com
c. http://conspiracies.skepticproject.com/forum/5349/the-venus-projects-100000-big-budget-movie-scam-prediction/2/#reply-82b953e3



10. POC Q&A Session #9 Oct 6, 2013

26:50
Roxanne talks about the kick starter movie with Joel Holt This movie will be released for free on the internet as they finish each section. Roxanne says the first draft of the script is finished and that she is working with a producer who is developing a budget for the film and will be soon be showing it to acquire funding and to acquire actors, directors, and others who will be associated with it. the producer is excited about it ad wants to start filming asap. Hopefully this will be first of many films about the future within a RBE as Fresco has envisioned. there have been 100's of movies of people slaughtering each other but none about possible futures.

a. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQcIjfqsVx8#t=26m50s
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b. https://archive.org/details/APOCQASession9Oct62013
Where this audio or video was referenced on SP.com
c. http://conspiracies.skepticproject.com/forum/5349/the-venus-projects-100000-big-budget-movie-scam-prediction/2/#reply-9899755b



11. TVP Education Presents (22 Dec 2013)

timestamp 12:36: They talk more about the new "The Choice is Ours" movie. With the funds raised they will conduct more interesting interviews and will leave the donation windows open for anybody that wants to donate more to the movie to give the audience a better experience. With the travel expenses to do the interviews they hope they can make enough to satisfy the travel expenses. Anybody who donates not will get rewards, the same rewards as to the kickstarter campaign. They can't name any names as to the people they want to interview, get music people, whistle blowers etc...

19:08 Shaun says this movie he believes is a three part documentary. That will be releases over the next year. The first session will be released in the next few months he believes. This is not the TVP big budget movie. The big budget movie is a separate fundraiser and campaign onto itself, they are still working on the script, they may have possibly further information about the big budget movie on the main site. Shaun wants to get clear that the "The Choice is Ours" $75,000 3 part series movie is a different entity from the TVP big budget movie.

20:40 Shaun wants to raise money for equipment to do better seminars. Wants better intro's, wants better music. I need flashy graphics not just pure information. Audience is use to visual affects. Trying to raise a couple thousand dollars so we can get better equipment so we can upgrade these things. I started raising funds on one website but moved everything onto the main TVP website. The website for funding for new media equipment is at http://www.thevenusproject.com/extras/tvp-education . I need lighting green screen, and a camera. This will help us get to a RBE faster.

a. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-PGDnzWquc#t=12m036s
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b. https://archive.org/details/TVPEducationPresents22Dec2013_201312
Where this audio or video was referenced on SP.com
c. http://conspiracies.skepticproject.com/forum/5349/the-venus-projects-100000-big-budget-movie-scam-prediction/2/#reply-5310acd4



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TVP website requesting donations for writer for big budget movie

http://www.thevenusproject.com/get-involved/major-motion-picture-donations

THANK YOU! We have reached our initial goal of $100,000 to hire a scriptwriter among other things related to the film for The Venus Project's major motion picture. We even went over that amount by about $13,000 thanks to a recent larger donation. We deeply appreciate all the dedication and participation from those who donated and encouraged others to do so. The sum raised was almost entirely from smaller donations therefore a large number of people donated. We will keep people informed as to how it is progressing. Thank you again from all of us at The Venus Project.

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Older advertisement requesting donations for big budget movie

http://web.archive.org/web/20110720043222/

The Venus Project is seeking donations to help further development of a serious major motion picture depicting life in a resource-based economy. This film is designed to reach the general public throughout the world to introduce an exciting sustainable new social direction depicting a vision of what our future can be if we intelligently apply science and technology with environmental and human concern--a future where war, poverty and hunger could be but a distant memory.

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Check out other big money scams involving TVP, TZM and affiliates.

The Venus Project Needs $300,000 to write Jaque Fresco Biography!
http://conspiracies.skepticproject.com/forum/5513/the-venus-project-needs-300000-to-write-jaque-fresco-biogr/

Douglas Mallette needs *pause* 1 million dollars, Muhahahaha!
http://conspiracies.skepticproject.com/forum/5455/douglas-mallette-needs-pause-1-million-dollars-muhahahaha/

Justintempler Debunk On Douglas Mallette's Omega Volksgarden Scam on James Kush Blog
http://conspiracies.skepticproject.com/forum/5325/justintempler-debunk-on-douglas-mallettes-omega-volksgarden/

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The big budget movie itself is suppose to take several million dollars to make. For one TVP city to be made it's suppose to take several trillion dollars, I heard some say it would take somewhere around 100 Trillion dollars to make just 1 TVP city. How they arrived at such figures I'm not sure but it doesn't really matter as it's so mind blowingly dumb. Why can't they make something lowbudget and put it on the internet? They preach so much about utilizing new technology yet TVP is not utilizing new technology in making this big budget movie.

"Oh and speaking of their FAQ, did you send in those questions from this thread?"

Actually I had forgotten about that thread mainly because at the time TVP had changed there format to the extent that I thought I would not be able to ask question about topics that were unrelated to a given lecture that day. As being a member of the Skeptic Project paints a target on me from 9/11 truthers, to reptilians, to even smaller groups like TZMers, to TVPers, I have to walk a fine line when I am on such communication outlets. However people still ask off topic question on TVP lecture/Q&A; I'll ask them in the next lecture/Q&A meeting and see what response they give. I may have the shave the questions down some as well as there are character limits on a per question bases of think of something else.

I didn't get the ask the question in this TVP meeting I was busy throughout the day and just didn't have a chance. I will make an effort in the next TVP Q&A meeting to ask those questions.

Quote from anticultist

This is the kind of MTV generation mentality we live in, where people believe they can sell us revolution [thanks gillian], where art can make us fight for our rights, and numbers of people will flock to help out.

Who's gillian?

Decided to do a quick post by here. Been busy all week/weekend. I attened the TVP TS3 Q&A but unfortunately I was unable to put the SP question up that emcada had found. Reason I was unable to do this is because the lectures start a 2PM EST and usually last 45 minutes to a hour long. When the lectures are going they use some software platform on google to allow people to pose a question to Fresco/Roxanne during the lecture. The problem is it can only be during the lecture that people can post on this google platform when the lecture ends all question that start after the lectures end will be ignored. Long story short I thought it would be another long boring lecture so I went to go to the store and bought some beer, and chips. When I came back (about 30 minutes to and from) the lecture had ended therefore I could not ask any questions. Apparently the lecture lasted 10 minutes. So that's my excuse therefore I'll be ready next time to post up those questions.

So I decided to hangout during the Q&A in TVP TS3. Many people were upset that I was there for merely occupying space because they defined me as against TVP/TZM and there RBE or RBEM ideology. One person by the name of Nate got really upset that I had posted the "The Venus Projects $100,000 Big Budget Movie Scam Prediction.". Here is the chat below.

"Nate (SL/FB/Iowa POC)": I going to read 2012 CT post on June 01..

"Nate (SL/FB/Iowa POC)": http://conspiracies.skepticproject.com/forum/5349/the-venus-projects-100000-big-budget-movie-scam-prediction/

"2012_CT Skeptic Project": Nate don't shwo that I'll egt banned >_>

"2012_CT Skeptic Project": LOL

"Nate (SL/FB/Iowa POC)": 2012 you seem to be full of BS..

"2012_CT Skeptic Project": nate it's my prediction/opinion

"2012_CT Skeptic Project": just because I think this is a possibility doesn't mean it's fact

"Nate (SL/FB/Iowa POC)": wow Interesting BS 2012..

"Nate (SL/FB/Iowa POC)": So 2012 Forum about TVP is pretty Slanted & Negative.. http://conspiracies.skepticproject.com/forum/5349/the-venus-projects-100000-big-budget-movie-scam-prediction/

"2012_CT Skeptic Project": I thought TVP was going to build a moonbase and then that's when they can implment RBE after the collapse happens of course

"Nate (SL/FB/Iowa POC)": So I guess what the Skeptic Project is saying about TVP is that TVP is a Scam and we are evil people trying to take over the world or wanting to do a evil act... For people who need to learn what words mean: con·spir·a·cy:the act of conspiring.

2.an evil, unlawful, treacherous, or surreptitious plan formulated in secret by two or more persons; plot.

3.a combination of persons for a secret, unlawful, or evil purpose: He joined the conspiracy to overthrow the government.

4. Law . an agreement by two or more persons to commit a crime, fraud, or other wrongful act.

5. any concurrence in action; combination in bringing about a given result.

"2012_CT Skeptic Project": hey Nate didn't mena to get you upset over what I wrote On SP

"2012_CT Skeptic Project": mean*

"Nate (SL/FB/Iowa POC)": Take Care Everyone Dont Beleave the Lies & Rumors about TVP..

"2012_CT Skeptic Project": Nate it was a rpediction I never presented as a fact

"Nate (SL/FB/Iowa POC)": No 2012 Im not upset I just think your full of BS..

"2012_CT Skeptic Project": prediction...

"2012_CT Skeptic Project": Nate I respect your opinion

"Nathaniel(Ft.Laud,FL)": Respecting opinions doesn't improve our lives.

Well, Nate's free to name an existing scientific organization with no research budget that considers movies to be the ideal way to advance science. That should give him a rough idea of where to put TVPs plan.

Here's a snippet from a friend, who checked out TVP's "Scientific & Technical Database" a while ago:

I pulled the registration form off their site and had a bunch of dummy accounts sign up with credible looking data. The choices are really idiotic, there's half a dozen types of game developer you can register as, but only one choice for sociology and nothing at all in economics, politics, etc. Luckily, you can register as a plumber...I'm sure a scientific think tank has huge need for those. Anyway, I received an automated thank you and nothing since then. I still don't think they were ever active at all, so pronouncing them dead seems like checking a rock for pulse, but yeah, there's no science to be found here.

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I rented a room in the Hollywood Hills when I was making most of my anti-Zeitgeist vids and the guy who owned the house is a producer and his buddy an actor. I used to ask them questions with this first came up and they told me explicitly that this will not happen. If it does happen it will fail. Their reasoning was this:

1. If a script or film has taken in donations, no studio will touch it because there's a huge stigma of them being scams and it's a liability.

2. The script is unsolicited material and can't be taken for insurance reasons. Anyone who's been in a band will tell you this is also true in the recording industry, if you send a tape to a recording studio, they will mail it back w/o listening to it. It's unsolicited and they will be cut from their insurance. Indie companies will often use work arounds and loopholes and but the highest production quality you'll see come out of those is Atlas Shrugged. Think; Made for TV movies.

3. People don't go to see fictional films with political messages. Avatar was an exception because of the budget, and CGI and all that jazz, but even still it's not as blatant as this film proposes. Which judging by the proposal will make Atlas Shrugged seem unbiased. People smell a political agenda in films like a dead fish and won't waste their time to go see it. Especially if it's communist.

4. Most movies lose money. The ones that do make it have small bugets and have great stories or high productions and a brilliant marketing campaigns (epics) but even these aren't guarantees. Being that the movie is about people in a RBE utopia and will spend time talking about how it works, it will be a snoozer just like Atlas Shrugged Pt. 1. And the city designs and all that stuff, it will need to be a high production film and no studio will want it unless they cut the dead fish out of it. BTW, how did that movie pan out at the box office.

5. The only reason Atlas Shrugged even got made is because a guy paid out of pocket for it to be made. It took hem a year to get 100K together to just have a script written. One that they could of just had some Zeitard write for free and it's gong to cost them at least $50 million to have a made for TV quality movie.

6. A script, even if it could be taken unsolicited, doesn't guarantee a movie deal. Most scripts get used as note paper. I used to use the backs of shitty scripts for grocery lists. lol.

Yes, it's a scam even if it's no implicitly a scam or has honest intentions. 100K down the shithole. 100K that could of been spent feeding starving kids in Africa, but TZM really doesn't give a shit about that. They only care about conspiracy movies.

I think if TVP were to make a movie or a televisions series it may have a similar tone like Terra Nova which was recently cancelled by Fox. I actually liked Terra Nova but even though it was successful as it was making some profit as well as increasing ratings it wasn't making enough money for Fox's taste. After watching Terra Nova I do think a TVP fiction based RBE Movie/television series would be interesting to watch and I do think there is a audience out there for that type of genre. I do not think TVP (Fresco and Roxanne) intends to get the job done in my opinion. I agree with Cyborgjesus TVP should really be producing these things not as a big budget movie or even as a television series but more as a web series, to get more for there money.

Terra Nova (TV series)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terra_Nova_(TV_series)

You make two good points above:

"I don't think Fresco nor Roxanne qualify being professional script writers and I find it odd they would take the role of writing the script free of charge"

Indeed they don't and this leads me to believe that this was likely the plan or fall back plan they had in mind anyway. It is well known that Fresco and Meadows are not team players, and they are what I would term hypocritical control freaks who don't follow the advice they dish out for others to follow.

So them taking over the role and likely making an absolute amateur comedy with the task should be expected. Whilst taking all those lovely dollars and using them for their own gains.

"Whatever happen to listening to the individual who has the most experience in a particular area?"

This is the most important point you made, since it categorically shows how they refuse to follow the tenets of their own program. I mean in their world one should listen to the knowledgeable facts that are given by science, dished out by a computer. Facts that originate through knowledgeable individuals/experiment and scientists.

They also throw the direct opposite to cover their asses in such situations, where they claim that appeals to authority or academics is not an acceptable behaviour in their society. I would not be surprised if they claim they took on the roles and didn't listen to others for this very reason, and members will lap it up because it goes with Fresco & Meadows historic behaviour. They will also claim that they alone are the experts on making movies about the Venus Project so why should they listen to anyone else on the topic.


This in itself negates the point of making a script writer work for them in the first place, showing the whole thing to be a money making scheme.

Like a good studio will ever pick this up. They'll be lucky if it even gets made and screened at an art house there. Assuming it even gets written, which it probably won't. Too bad because I'm out of scrap paper. A fool and his money are easily parted.

Quote from Evil Elvis

wait, all fresco does all his life is write nonsense and now they want to pay another writer to write nonsense for the movie. this probably makes sense, before money is abolished let's sell as many coffee mugs and tshirts as possible.

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Not anymore they fired the script writer and are taking the role of writing the nonsense now. Apparently Roxanne claims to have 40 to 50 percent of the script written already. 40 or 50 percent seems like to big of a number as TVP only weeks ago fired there script writer and all of a sudden 40 to 50 percent of the script is done? I don't believe it until I see it, talk about stringing people a long.

Why don't they release this script out to the public at least to 40 to 50 percent of the script that's done? Also what is happening to the 100K now? My guess is the 100K will be going in there back pockets.

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TVP Seminar #61

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K20ppYtaxZM

00:26:30 Question: Jacque and Roxanne, if you could give us a percentage of how far the script is to completion, what percentage would you give us? (example: 25%)
Response: Roxanne said 40 to 50%.


In reference to http://conspiracies.skepticproject.com/forum/5262/brief-abstract-with-sp-discussion-of-tvp-lecture-from-fresco/2/#reply-2482c535

More updates on TVP Big budget movie. In seminar 83 around 37:40 to 41:18 during the Q&A Roxanne was asked to give a update on the big budget movie project. She looked like a deer caught in the headlights, she used "ummm" a lot along with pauses to formulate the next sentences. There was a lot of hesitation to really go into detail but from what was said in short she said there hasn't been much work on script writing in months do to Fresco's getting injured.

She then goes into that they went through something of around 15 to 20 script writers, and then decided to take on the script writing themsevles. TVP has been putting announcement out for script writers. The problem with this however is that isn't what TVP had been telling people matter in fact on July 1, 2012 audio recording Roxanne had said she was not putting out any advertising and at that she hired a writer then fired the script writer on August 12 2012 as it wasn't good enough, they also hired anothe script writer but apparently that was not good enough as well. So if you don't advertise for script writers and are only telling about the script writer position in these audio seminars how the hell do you claim to of had 15 to 20 individuals who were script writers for the big budget movie.... I mean seriously you continue to string these people along...

Are you seriously considering having none U.S. script writers who speak English as a second language write a script for your fantasy Multimillion dollar big budget movie? I means seriously, use your head... Roxanne your wise to stop talking about the movie now as you keep digging a pretty deep hole for yourself each time you do, I predict you'll stop talking about the movie altogether eventually.

I've been following this from the start and over 1 year since the money was raised which is now $200,000 donated to the big budget movie and ZERO progress has been done but as a predicted TVP continues to string people along. I had on numerous occasions (before I was in bad standing with TVP for writing this topic) contacted Roxanne about the TVP big budget movie script writing though I did not want to write the script, I did want to see if I could contact a few people who may be interested in helping out as I generally think there is a market, as well as room for this type of a genre that people would be interested in. In the numerous times I tried to contact Roxanne she did not return 1 e-mail about my interest in the big budget movie, I also received a e-mail from a individual who claims not one person had a interest in helping TVP big budget movie within TVP as based on what Andrew Buxton had said. So again how in the hell does she claim to have 15-20 script writers before Fresco and Roxanne decided to write it themsevles? Show your members proof that 15-20 script writers wrote scripts by showing there scripts to the public. My baloney radar just had a stroke and died from the amount of BS said.

As I keep saying TVP will get away with this because members deem money is bad. I will continue to sit back and enjoy the popcorn in the meantime.


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Refernces

TVP seminar 83 Mar 3, 2013
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5mnRwBZSvDQ
37:40 - 41:18
Why does TVP hire a $100,000 script writer, when they could get volunteers to do it for free and also what's the current status of the movie?
Roxanne responds but pauses with a ummm, then says that they did go through a lot of people who wanted to help with the script for free.
The people got in touch with us when TVP put out a announcement that they were looking for script writers.
Roxanne says they went through 15-20 script writers. They decided to take on the script writing themsevles, the movie is on hold because Fresco got into a accident and He needed attention.
Roxanne says they made very good contacts regarding the script. She doesn't want to talk about it specifically until everything is more definite.
They made contact to a person whose reaching out to different script writers to professional script writers. The script writers being reached are not in the united states some are in Russia.
She has connection with a lot of those people. Roxanne says they are working with another group to come here and brainstorm on the TVP compound for two weeks with a lot of script writers.
There working in many different angles and it's still underway and still developing.
Connections we're making are a lot better. Roxanne hates to talk about things in the making until it really happens.
A lot of things start to happen and don't come through, Roxanne wants to wait until things are more definite but we're not stopping, everything is underway we're making progress I feel as well as Fresco is making progress in his walking ability. He's gone from a walker to a cane to walking around the house with no assistance.

http://conspiracies.skepticproject.com/forum/5349/the-venus-projects-100000-big-budget-movie-scam-prediction/#reply-2a65d341
http://thevenusproject.minus.com/lbsel1oMef3n0I
Where Roxanne admits that TVP did not advertise for a script writer on any place on record July 1, 2012. start at
39:00
"Are you advertising for a script writer for the TVP big budget movie? If so what places online are you advertising for this script writer position besides the TVP website?" No, not at this time.

http://thevenusproject.minus.com/lb0fNjjzEkgLtB
Here is a brief abstract of a Q & A on TS3 Roxanne most recent response as of August 12 2012 about firing the script writer because there and most script writers work is unacceptable.
(voice recording of what she said fully is below start at 24:00)
"24:00 7. Any updates on the motion picture? The motion picture writer they have commissioned with a down payment (sort of), The writing of this script was really not to there liking. So fresco and Roxanne are taking the script and doing it themselves. we're going to pretty much take it and don't have much respect for what they have seen in script writers. We're going to do the script writing ourselves. The good thing about that We won't be paying ourselves so we'll have a lot of fund left over. To further the movie once we get the script writing finished. Perhaps we'll show what we have with other script writers and do a total rewrite of the script. To get a budget it or use the money to travel to pitch the movie concept to other people, so in that way the money will be good. "

In TVP facebook group on behalf of Roxanne Vixie fills everybody in nearly a month and a half later as to what's going on with the script and even more excuses as to why the script is not done yet. Didn't Roxanne say she had 50% of the script done nearly a year ago?!? Why couldn't you finish the last half of the script off within a year... So scammy...

I can just hear the $200,000 for this movie being flushed down the toilet. My prediction is still pretty much dead on.

Roxanne sayingshe had written 50% of the script.
http://conspiracies.skepticproject.com/forum/5349/the-venus-projects-100000-big-budget-movie-scam-prediction/#reply-495b473c


Roxanne saying had written 50% of the script on Sept, 30, 2013 in TVP lecture.
http://conspiracies.skepticproject.com/forum/5262/brief-abstract-with-sp-discussion-of-tvp-lecture-from-fresco/2/#reply-2482c535

https://www.facebook.com/groups/TVP.Support/

Vixi Returns
The movie is at the script writing stage at the moment. Having found that none of the profesionals they tried captured correctly the ideas of TVP, Roxanne is writing it herself with Jacque advising her. When it's finished they will give the script to a pro to polish and then take to studios that could be interested in producing it.

Unfortunately Roxanne doesn't have as much time as she would like to dedicate to it because as well as all the other things she is doing for TVP, since Jacque's accident she has to look after him a lot more too.
Just as real life takes volunteers away from doing more stuff for TVP, so Jacque and Roxanne face the same difficulties.

This is one of the reasons why it's important for us activists/volunteers/supporters to keep talking about TVP to people. We can't leave it all up to just two people
RBE hugs

@anticultist I'd agree with that. Sounds like a nice prediction. I suppose we will see how this plays out eventually.

Just noticed the 1 year anniversary of this topic is coming up on June 1, pretty sad on my part lol... Have to say the progress of the big budget movie is the same since the day I started this topic. I've not seen any proof there has been any progress going on this, and I simply cannot take Roxanne word for it either...

I really doubt that the big budget movie and the biography are ever going to happen, especially since the kickstarter was a flop and the movie just hasn't been worked on.