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Some idiot is inspired by TZM to run away and live in a tree, while his dad dies at home.

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anticultistPosted: Jun 18, 2012 - 10:28
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/netherlands/9337209/Forest-boy-inspired-by-Zeitgeist-movement.html


Forest boy 'inspired by Zeitgeist movement'
Robin Van Helsum, the Dutchman dubbed 'Forest Boy', who conned Berlin police into thinking he was a juvenile runaway, was inspired to travel to Germany by the teachings of the far-Left Zeitgeist movement that aims to destroy market capitalism.


Mr Van Helsum who turned up at a Berlin police station last November claiming that he had lived with his father in the woods until the older man died. At the time psychologists speculated that the disturbed youth who spoke only English and claimed to be 17 had taken inspiration from the plot of the 2011 movie, Hannah.
But friends in his native Hengelo, on the Dutch border with Germany, have revealed that he had been obsessed with the radical Zeitgeist movement founded by a Berlin filmmaker before his disappearance from the town.
The German-based alternative action movement was popularised in a series of films critical of market capitalism. Shot between 2007 and last year, a series of four films inspired a political movement that holds future generations will view Christianity as a fraud and embrace sustainable ecological policies as the basis of the economy.
Maryn Berfloes, 21, a friend in the prosperous market town on the German border, said Van Helsum took inspiration from the films before deciding to travel to Berlin with another local named Lex.
The protest movement and its founder Peter Joseph have a large following in the German capital. The fantasy forest existence - he said his father had scavenged in the woods and was buried south of Berlin in a shallow grave - could be closely related to the eco-warrior teachings of the Zeitgeist campaigners.

"In my opinion Robin was never positive about how society worked. He had started to develop alternative theories for the economy and society that would not rely on money any more."
"It is important that he come back and faces what he left behind here in Hengelo," said Mr Berfloes. "This is a good place, there are jobs and you can make a good standard of living here. Its not to rich and not too poor.
You can be comfortable but Robin never got it right.
His travelling companion Lex returned from Berlin after apparently suffering a mental breakdown and now lives quietly with his mother. He has cut off all contact with his friends. One acquaintance said Van Helsum had manipulated Lex into travelling to Berlin: "He definitely swept him up in the idea they were going to be revolutionaries."
At the well-ordered row of terraced houses where Ellen Van Helsum, his now widowed stepmother lives, the emotional scars of his teenage rebellion are evident.
Shouting through the letterbox, the gaunt blonde-haired woman says she wants the whole episode to fade into the past. "I'm an educated woman.
I can speak English and German fluently, I don't deserve to be treated as the head of a broken home," she told the Daily Telegraph.
Mohammad Rahim, Van Helsum's former flatmate, was left with a 800 euro back rent debt when his friend fled to Berlin, said the conflict with his now dead father had been an all-consuming factor during his teenage years .
Having been out into care homes by his father, the system represented a sanctuary from a disturbing world.
"Robin was too similar to his father, he chose to fight and argue with him.
He wanted to be a rebel," he said. "In Holland you can get yourself into the care system by rebelling. If you have hassles or a lack of money it's actually not too bad.
"The housing is better and there is a mentor to look out for you, while your parents remain your legal guardian there are structures to protect you.
"Maybe Robin wanted the same in Berlin and so he pretended he was a juvenile."
With a trail of bad debts and a notoriety from plunging the industrial town into the limelight, Van Helsum must be weighting the difficulties of returning from his German refuge.
German police said that Van Helsum would not be forced to return from Germany, while his social workers are amazed he could keep up the pretence of being an English speaking runaway since September.
"It's a real achievement," child psychologist Michael Günter told Focus magazine. "It is not an uncommon phenomenon in young adults, who often escape into a fantasy world when they are going through an adolescent crisis."

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CyborgJesusPosted: Jun 18, 2012 - 20:20
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Jeez, that's weird. Caught the story on BBC a couple of days ago and didn't think much about it.
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anticultistPosted: Jun 18, 2012 - 20:34
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Zeitards have tried to defend their cult from this news item by dissecting the negatives of the mainstream media and how it got zeitgeist wrong in this .

Instead of looking at how their ideology has a negative overall impact on impressionable minds such as this young lad. They don't seem to give a shit that this follower of their squad was paranoid, delusional and ran away from the security of his parents. Nor do they acknowledge the impact their beliefs even had on him at all, they ignore all that and just argue the small points of how the article got a few minor things wrong or painted the movement badly.
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CyborgJesusPosted: Jun 18, 2012 - 20:50
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It would've been easy for them to embrace it, though. Their philosophy is based on the idea of the political individual, which they've taken from Krishnamurti ("It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society"), but which is also accessible through Neo-Marxism in one interpretation of Adorno's "Es gibt kein richtiges Leben im Falschen" ("Wrong life cannot be lived rightly").

Following the notion, recognizing the "system" for what it is makes you unable to lead a decent life in it - unless you become active yourself. This, TZM obviously has not managed to do, leaving some of their members in a deep state of expectancy and despair, as some of these news stories have shown.
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anticultistPosted: Jun 18, 2012 - 21:15
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For instance take a look at how this zeitard looks at the article through skewed perspective: http://www.thezeitgeistmovementuk.com/forest-boy?fb_ref=.T97tx6ldOYU.like&fb_source=timeline

Insisting that the article merely was written to discredit the movement.

You get the feeling that they don't empathise with people who bring bad publicity towards their movement at all, even if it may well be through no fault of their own. Circumstances, being picked up by local news items, or whatever.
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JimJesusPosted: Jun 19, 2012 - 12:34
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TZM is not "far-left".


Excuse me while I stop reading for a bit to laugh.

I noticed that any time these fuck wads make a position, and then you tell them why that's a total failure of an idea they always respond that that's not what they advocate. Every other commenter on my TZM isn't anarchy video was saying either "TZM is anarchy, you're quote mining Fresco and Merola" or "TZM was never pro anarchy, I've never heard of VTV so he must be a nobody in the movement"

Seriously you can join TZM and say your for anything so long as it's not too outrageous or involve money. But the instant you make the headlines for being a douchebag, then you're not a member because you didn't totally agree with their totally ambiguous ideology.
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JimJesusPosted: Jun 19, 2012 - 12:45
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Bacon Pancakes! Making Bacon Pancakes, take some Bacon and I'll put it in a Pancake! Bacon Pancakes that's what it's gonna make...Bacon Pancaaaaaake!! ♪

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"Try and vote for us - go on! You won't have much luck. It's like trying to define invisibility on the colour spectrum."


OK!


As for the assertion that we aim to "destroy" market capitalism (from the sub-headline, no less.) The author knows what he's doing here - this is a weasel word designed to make you think that this organisation is some out of control violent threat to humanity.


Mr. Kill Money must not be a member either.

That and pandering to your right-wing audience, of course.

Not that we're on the left, but you're on the right so that makes you wrong. *rolls eyes*

Yea, I'm done reading this now. Everything it says it's just on it's face retarded.
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