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Posted: Oct 08, 2012 - 22:59

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Hello everyone, I'm new to the Skeptic Project and wanted to put forth a few claims and links I have come across in my internet travels. I have been studying CT's for about three years now and am a reformed believer. Hopefully I can become a part of this community and we will be able to bring some logic and truth to the various circles of madness.

First off is the claims of a supposed ex-Illuminati "Programmer", codenamed Svali... Links to some info are as follows:
http://svalispeaks.com/
http://svalispeaks.wordpress.com/
http://projectcamelot.org/svali.html
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/esp_sociopol_illuminati_svali.htm
http://www.wanttoknow.info/secret_societies/svali

Secondly we have Rik Clay. someone who is pretty much synonymous with CTs, especially the Icke-esque claims about Europe and the British Royal Family. Links are as follows:
http://www.whale.to/c/rik_clay_2012.html
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1850371/pg1
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread823810/pg1
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?s=b5806d7dc7a0ad1bc690208091f134fc&t=45537

(I apologize for placing the three headed beast that is David Icke's Forum, GLP and ATS but since the official cause of Rik Clay's death was ruled a suicide places like this are all that remains of his "theories" lol.)

And finally we have two "Alternate history" type videos that attempt to explain the way the American banking system works, and the history of our entire species respectively.

The American Dream Part One: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExBE651_vOY&feature=plcp
Part Two: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kx7HDTDDopA&feature=context-cha

Hidden Human History: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAm-kbzT7xw

My apologies for such a long first post, hopefully the links provided will be enough to at least get the ball rolling on debunking/discussion. Also apologies for any grammatical errors in the above text. Thank you all for your time :)

Posted: Oct 08, 2012 - 23:09

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I'd just ignore someone claiming to be an "ex-Illuminati". Anyone can make that claim. Hell we're all guilty of it by claiming jokingly we're disinfo agents. Ooo btw since you're here, you are now one of us. Expect you're check by 8:00am in the morning.

Posted: Oct 08, 2012 - 23:23

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Thanks emcada, hopefully I can get the thoughts of yourself and others in regards to the other topics. :)

live and learn

Posted: Oct 08, 2012 - 23:40

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well welcome to Skeptic Project SabreSaint :) . Anyways like emcada already said. Anyone can claim to be an ex-member of the Illuminati. I find this svali character, similar to the donald marshall story that I saw back when I was trying to get over my fear of this Illuminati stuff. Are you gonna believe that story at all? probably not. And if this svali person really is an ex-illuminati member and everything this person says is true, why is this still available to see for the past however long? These people are either delusional due to schizophrenia or some other delusional disorder, some are probably under moderate/heavy drug influence over a long period of time. and then there are even some who are just outright scammers.

not to mention, anytime these "ex-Illuminati" people tie in Freemasonry with it, that's when you pretty much know that they're not legitimate. Check out masonicinfo.com , a great site to learn some real info about Freemasons instead of all the crankery you're gonna find on paranoid CT websites. It goes into great detail in debunking the many accusations that anti-masons make about Freemasonry and/or it's "connections" to the "Illuminati"

Posted: Oct 09, 2012 - 13:12

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Quote from Newbie

well welcome to Skeptic Project SabreSaint :) . Anyways like emcada already said. Anyone can claim to be an ex-member of the Illuminati. I find this svali character, similar to the donald marshall story that I saw back when I was trying to get over my fear of this Illuminati stuff. Are you gonna believe that story at all? probably not. And if this svali person really is an ex-illuminati member and everything this person says is true, why is this still available to see for the past however long? These people are either delusional due to schizophrenia or some other delusional disorder, some are probably under moderate/heavy drug influence over a long period of time. and then there are even some who are just outright scammers.

not to mention, anytime these "ex-Illuminati" people tie in Freemasonry with it, that's when you pretty much know that they're not legitimate. Check out masonicinfo.com , a great site to learn some real info about Freemasons instead of all the crankery you're gonna find on paranoid CT websites. It goes into great detail in debunking the many accusations that anti-masons make about Freemasonry and/or it's "connections" to the "Illuminati"

Posted: Oct 09, 2012 - 13:13

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Quote from emcada

I'd just ignore someone claiming to be an "ex-Illuminati". Anyone can make that claim. Hell we're all guilty of it by claiming jokingly we're disinfo agents. Ooo btw since you're here, you are now one of us. Expect you're check by 8:00am in the morning.

Executive Order 11002:
http://www.disastercenter.com/laworder/11002.htm
Executive Order 11003:
http://www.disastercenter.com/laworder/11003.htm
Executive Order 11004:
http://www.disastercenter.com/laworder/11004.htm
Executive Order 11005:
http://www.disastercenter.com/laworder/11005.htm
can you explain these to me, I am using it for my project.

live and learn

Posted: Oct 09, 2012 - 13:39

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haha what's with the smiley face Sasori?

and another thing SabreSaint. I think I noticed that according to "svali", the "end-game" for the Illuminati is 2050?? does that sound very credible to you? if I were part of some devil-worshipping secret society bent on world domination, the question I'd always be asking is "What's the bloody hold-up?!" Why would the Illuminati wait that long to carry out their goal? if you were part of this wouldn't you at least want to witness the end result? Another thing that points out it's probably just BS, why would you wait so long?, better question is, why hasn't it happened yet? if there really was an Illuminati cable out there, wouldn't they have been able to properly carry out their "New World Order" 5 years ago? or even 2 years ago? Technology hasn't really changed much over the past 5 or so years

Posted: Oct 09, 2012 - 14:25

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Rik Clay's nothing more than an anti semite. Ignore him at all costs. He's about as trustworthy as David Duke

The alternate human history seems like bunk to me. Probably the same thing along the lines of Thrive or that Ancient Aliens bs. Here's a debunking of some of anything regarding ancient aliens
http://thrivedebunked.wordpress.com/

Posted: Oct 09, 2012 - 14:36

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Quote from emcada

Rik Clay's nothing more than an anti semite. Ignore him at all costs. He's about as trustworthy as David Duke

The alternate human history seems like bunk to me. Probably the same thing along the lines of Thrive or that Ancient Aliens bs. Here's a debunking of some of anything regarding ancient aliens
http://thrivedebunked.wordpress.com/</blockquote>

did you see my quote

Posted: Oct 09, 2012 - 15:08

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Thanks guys, Do you know of any skeptics or sources debunking any of this stuff? I know its all crap but I'm looking for links and sources that I can use now and in the future. You guys have any specific debunks for Hidden Human History or "The American Dream"?
Also, Sasori, you may want to start up a separate topic for those executive orders and such. It will alleviate a ton of confusion, at least on this topic. Plus it will save you from having to post everywhere :)

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Posted: Oct 09, 2012 - 15:30

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Quote from SabreSaint

Thanks guys, Do you know of any skeptics or sources debunking any of this stuff? I know its all crap but I'm looking for links and sources that I can use now and in the future. You guys have any specific debunks for Hidden Human History or "The American Dream"?
Also, Sasori, you may want to start up a separate topic for those executive orders and such. It will alleviate a ton of confusion, at least on this topic. Plus it will save you from having to post everywhere :)

I didnt know how to make my own forum post.

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Posted: Oct 09, 2012 - 15:31

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No prob :).

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Posted: Oct 09, 2012 - 17:15

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Welcome to the forum

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Posted: Oct 09, 2012 - 17:18

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Thanks Locke :) glad to be here

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Posted: Oct 09, 2012 - 23:16

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Quote from SabreSaint

Thanks guys, Do you know of any skeptics or sources debunking any of this stuff? I know its all crap but I'm looking for links and sources that I can use now and in the future. You guys have any specific debunks for Hidden Human History or "The American Dream"?

There may not be some specific article debunking the claims entirely. However, if you were go here : http://skepticproject.com/links/ there are many websites with very good information regarding conspiracy theories and the like. It's a good starting point if you ask me.

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Posted: Oct 09, 2012 - 23:30

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Quote from Sasori

Quote from emcada

Rik Clay's nothing more than an anti semite. Ignore him at all costs. He's about as trustworthy as David Duke

The alternate human history seems like bunk to me. Probably the same thing along the lines of Thrive or that Ancient Aliens bs. Here's a debunking of some of anything regarding ancient aliens
http://thrivedebunked.wordpress.com/</blockquote>

did you see my quote

yes I have seen your quote. To put it bluntly, all the executive orders you listed were made around the time that JFK was president. Thinking back to his presidency, it is very obvious that there were many supposed threats to the safety of the United States during the Cold War. Retrospectively, nothing happened. However, during that time it was impossible to determine whether or not there would be a threat to the US safety so JFK wrote up some Executive Orders that will direct every government agency so that they will be prepared when such a time comes.

Executive Order 11002 are nothing more than directives for the Postmaster General. Seeing as the person in this position is in charge of the US Postal Service, I doubt that this could be used for some sinister plot.

Executive Order 11003 is a directive for civilian airports (you know the ones terrorist bomb the US with). All it does is just have the airports make a battle plan for when a national emergency comes. When such time comes (like warfare with the US for instance) these plans will use every resource available to effectively and efficiently carry out their day to day programs.

Executive Order 11004 is probably one that can easily be mistaken as evidence for concentration camps being made in the US. I doubt there would be concentration camps. They could be camps, but even if they are there's no way they'd be like the ones people like Alex Jones like to talk about. They'd most likely be relief centers.

Finally Executive Order 11005 is similar to Executive Order 11003 except that it is more for transportation of valuable resources via trains and such. The best way to describe this would be a scene from the movie Red Tails where the pilots shoot the train some time in the beginning. This plan is essentially that train without it getting blown up.

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