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EdPosted: Jul 13, 2010 - 09:39
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Presumably this is Peter, said this in responce to someone who wrote a post about myself.

http://www.thezeitgeistmovement.com/joomla/index.php?option=com_kunena&Itemid=99999&func=view&catid=231&id=266657&limit=10&limitstart=20#273890

And it seems the same thing was with "ed". Seems ed was a supporter of TVP/RBE, but not TZM. He wanted to make TZM not be associated with conspiracy theories, so it would be based on not a single lie, as true as it could be.

Ed was/is a "anti-911 truth fanatic". That is his overall social interest, it seems, sadly. To say it was some casual interest to "disassociate" is nonsense. TZM has nothing to do with 911 truth and the word "zeitgeist" and the films are mere influences. Ed essentially decided that he would build a huge straw-man general association and run with it. If he actually cared about a RBE he would have actually done something to contribute to it - not wait around and debate any person he could about 911, while sporting his anti-911 truth links in his signature.

Probably ending with removing any Zeitgeist: The Movie(1st) association with the movement, something Jacque Fresco would also like, if he cared how TZM gets publicity for TVP, Or even renaming the movement to Venus/RBE movement. No doubt Peter Joseph would say: "The movie I worked hard for months, being trashed? Are you nuts?"

I'm not sure what that is supposed to mean but Zeitgeist: The Movie has nothing to do with TZM in context. Also, Jacque couldn't care less. They even have "The Movie" right on their home page. This is their decision.

"The movies are not the movement"..."yet is is TZM's primary recruitment tool no matter if they are true or not."
Ends justify the means? I can live with that, unless someone gets killed of course.

The observation that those films draw attention is a natural unfolding that would occur regardless of intent, due to the popularity/association.
However, it is not the "primary recruiting tool". Many people here have never even seen the first film.

You don't really have to be an TZM member to support The Venus Project or any other project that supports RBE! If RBE supporters ban RBE supporters, something is definitely not right.

The forum is also not "the movement". The Movement is the 60 international chapters/200 sub-chapters. In fact, each person here should be working with their local chapters. This online activity isn't going to do much if grass-root action isn't also happening in live settings. Nanos, Ed and all the others can read and do whatever they like.
However, their ability to participate on this Global Site in communication has now been refused due to their contempt and disrespect. Disagreement is not simply the issue- it is arrogant, childish and insulting rhetoric that will get someone removed from this forum. This forum is for people who help and encourage our work and it is expected that they act with respect towards each other, regardless of the differences.

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EdPosted: Jul 13, 2010 - 09:48
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1. The only anti-911 Truth link in my signature was to my own youtube channel which happened to have videos on it that critically looked at Zeitgeist claims.

What's funny is that my videos are featured in the Zeitgeist: The Movie FAQ on their own WIKI under "errors".
http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/7567/zgmwikierrors.jpg</p>

2. Jacque "couldn't care less". Hmm, actually I think he does care. He cares that conspiracy theories he even says he doesn't believe in gets promoted or else he wouldn't ask people to screen Zeitgeist 1 in the how you can help section.

3. Peter: Still trying to backtrack on his statements that Zeitgeist 1 is the core generator of interest for the movement and that therefore it can't bad.

4. I tried to be nice Peter, but eventually I realised you were just an arrogant ego driven conspiracy theorist and deserved to be treated the way you are now being treated. Just keep banning people that don't agree with you.

EDIT:

Oh and a final point:

I did indeed make lots of constructive points, I only debated so much about 911 because there was so many lies being spread by members on the forum, and by Peter with his films! 99% of my posts about 911 were RESPONSES to claims made on the forums. But as can clearly be seen, Peter doesn't care if you're PROMOTING conspiracy theories so long as you're not debunking them. So much for how great it is to be proven wrong.

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Edward L WinstonPosted: Jul 13, 2010 - 09:49
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Looks like Peter is using sockpuppets to expand his attacks on CS and CS members in order to distract members from his own failings.

>> TZM has nothing to do with 911 truth and the word "zeitgeist" and the films are mere influences.

Just mere influences, recruitment tools, shown at TZM events, passed out and shown by members to new comers... just mere influences.

>> However, it is not the "primary recruiting tool". Many people here have never even seen the first film.

PJ's contradicting his own statements.

>> The forum is also not "the movement".

Which proves exactly why the movement is nothing more than vaporware. Outside of the TZM forums, is TZM known for anything else? No. Nearly 2 years on and nothing.

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anticultistPosted: Jul 13, 2010 - 09:51
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not wait around and debate any person he could about 911, while sporting his anti-911 truth links in his signature.

This one interested me a lot, being that there was no need to to use this as an argument against anything other than they did not like you doing this on their forum. To notice that you had links to arguments against 911 truthers in your sig, and then to use that as a complaint against you is very telling indeed.

I'm not sure what that is supposed to mean but Zeitgeist: The Movie has nothing to do with TZM in context. Also, Jacque couldn't care less. They even have "The Movie" right on their home page. This is their decision.

Again the movie isnt the movement, twice said as an argument so far in his reply.
Notice he says jacque does not care, so this is an admission that jacque does not really care that his project is sponsoring or being sponsored by conspiracy theories/ists.

However, it is not the "primary recruiting tool". Many people here have never even seen the first film.

Flip Flop...Now they try and say its not the primary recruiting tool, even though Peter himself already said it was. tut tut shame on you lying decieptful administrator.

The forum is also not "the movement". The Movement is the 60 international chapters/200 sub-chapters. In fact, each person here should be working with their local chapters.

The movies arent the movement, the forum isnt the movement, but the forums of the international chapters are the movement? Since they all were born out of the main forum I think we can safely say there is a direct correlation between the chapters being the movement and how they came about from the main forums existance, thereby making it the god figure of the movement.

Disagreement is not simply the issue- it is arrogant, childish and insulting rhetoric that will get someone removed from this forum.

Three blind mice, see how they run...

Seriously the fact they can not deal with people who have strong minds and dispositions against them just shows how weak and pathetic they are.

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Agent MattPosted: Jul 13, 2010 - 10:10
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Peter Merola is gipster harbage.

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CyborgJesusPosted: Jul 13, 2010 - 10:10
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PJ still seems to think that handing out lectures and building chapters will somehow lead to a national awareness state.

Following that logic, the forums are kinda unimportant. Not following that logic, the whole movement seems to be kinda unimportant, as they're unwilling to focus on anything productive, except making people finance Jacques little plane trips.

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Agent MattPosted: Jul 13, 2010 - 10:11
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"the whole movement seems to be kinda unimportant, as they're unwilling to focus on anything productive, except making people finance Jacques little plane trips."

Don't forget that it also pays for Merola's pot.

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CyborgJesusPosted: Jul 13, 2010 - 10:23
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And the incredibly demanding TZM servers. Harhar.

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Agent MattPosted: Jul 13, 2010 - 10:24
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GoDaddy is serious hosting.

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Edward L WinstonPosted: Jul 13, 2010 - 10:25
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>> Unlimited Space & Bandwidth!
>> $14.99/mo

Oh my god, they're putting Peter into the poor house!

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Agent MattPosted: Jul 13, 2010 - 10:27
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Clearly the hosting costs are too much for poor Merola to bear.

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anticultistPosted: Jul 13, 2010 - 10:32
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Didnt he make claims he was paying about $15,000 [per month/per annum] to run his website ?

He must be paying his team too much money to fuck it up.

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Edward L WinstonPosted: Jul 13, 2010 - 10:32
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He pays more than any other godaddy customer, for the same speed apparently, it's one of the slowest sites I've ever seen.

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Agent MattPosted: Jul 13, 2010 - 10:32
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"Didnt he make claims he was paying about $15,000 to run his website ?"

He confused the cost of his pedicures with the costs of hosting.

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CyborgJesusPosted: Jul 13, 2010 - 10:35
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He said that he invested >15k in TZM so far. I guess it's like saying that Neil invested 1000 bucks in his radio show.

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anticultistPosted: Jul 13, 2010 - 10:36
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I guess it's like saying that Neil invested 1000 bucks in his radio show.

haha minus the key point... of other peoples donations.

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Agent MattPosted: Jul 13, 2010 - 10:37
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Over the years I have invested millions in the tobacco and cannabis industries.

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sorryPosted: Jul 13, 2010 - 12:30
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I use GoDaddy.

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