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Here are the question incase anyone once to post up there own question on there google platform. You will need a google account to do so and when the lecture is done you can't post a question so post the question right now if you have one or post it in this thread now and I'll post the question up for you.


http://www.google.com/moderator/#15/e=1fdb78&t=1fdb78.40

Some people got upset at the Douglas Mallete Question I put on the Q&A platform for Fresco and Roxanne to answer on TS3. A person by the name of Stan Aizin who is a admin on TVP said if I did not show proof or he would Banish me (at which I did before Stan threaten me in PM). I thought I'd share the conversation.


Question in the Q&A (Fresco and Roxanne answered it)
16. It has recently been found out thanks to the Swedish Press that Douglas Mallette does not work for NASA and his credentials have come into question as well as his current project which is called "Cybernated Farm Systems". In response to this Douglas Mallette was kicked out of two Swedish lecture events because of the findings. I'm wondering in a RBE society will con-artists and frauds be a thing of the past?

In TS# public chat

<14:50:40>"collin": 2012 is a troll
<14:51:59>"2012_CT Skeptic Project": that wasn't my question that was a question on SP from a memebr
<14:52:11>"2012_CT Skeptic Project": Douglas mallete is a fraud in my opinion though
<14:52:14>"2012_CT Skeptic Project": >_>
<14:52:18>"mhofmann": why? :(
<14:52:26>"2012_CT Skeptic Project": to me?
<14:52:35>"2012_CT Skeptic Project": let me show you a link
<14:52:38>"mhofmann": ok!
<14:53:07>"wladimir b": 2012 are u sure ur opinion is truly yours? im not sure if it is
<14:53:31>"collin": another troll question
<14:55:12>"2012_CT Skeptic Project": http://zeitgeistmovements.wordpress.com/2012/04/21/cfs-cybernated-farm-systems-douglas-mallette-examined/&nbsp; <--- mhoff and anybody else read this abotu Douglas mallete, Douglas has yet to respond.
<14:55:18>"mhofmann": thx
<14:55:25>"2012_CT Skeptic Project": n/p

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What Stan Aizin a Admin on TS3 said in a PM to me in TS3.

<15:13:09>"Stan Aizin": 2012_CT Please post link where it shows that Douglas Mallete is a Fraud???
<15:14:32>"Stan Aizin": If you not show the source, I will ban you from this room
<15:18:50>"2012_CT Skeptic Project": hi there
<15:19:02>"2012_CT Skeptic Project": I did post the soruce but I will psot again
<15:19:06>"2012_CT Skeptic Project": give me a minute
<15:21:30>"Stan Aizin": I'm waiting
<15:21:38>"2012_CT Skeptic Project": wait up still looking
<15:21:46>"Stan Aizin": ok
<15:22:29>"2012_CT Skeptic Project": please give me time it's ahrd to find that artciel I'm talknig about
<15:23:03>"2012_CT Skeptic Project": where are you from again? Are you apart of TZM as well? What position do you hold in TVP?
<15:24:44>"Stan Aizin": this is not relevant, you make a statement using this platform, please provide evidence
<15:27:12>"2012_CT Skeptic Project": Stan you are currently a admin on TVP, as well as a global activist, a POC in TVP as well (point of contact), you speak russian and english, and live in america. Anythnig I'm missing
<15:28:12>"Stan Aizin": Please don't steer the conversation, I am waiting for link
<15:28:40>"2012_CT Skeptic Project": ok please wait one momment
<15:28:54>"2012_CT Skeptic Project": http://zeitgeistmovements.wordpress.com/2012/04/21/cfs-cybernated-farm-systems-douglas-mallette-examined/
<15:29:02>"2012_CT Skeptic Project": there you go
<15:29:11>"Stan Aizin": this is repost from your forum
<15:30:06>"2012_CT Skeptic Project": no not at all
<15:32:27>"Stan Aizin": I don't see there actual proof, just an opinion, and link to your forum
<15:34:32>"2012_CT Skeptic Project": ok if you say so. I agree that your allowed to have your own opinion
<15:38:04>"Stan Aizin": This is not my opinion, you created a loop, and trying to present it as evidence in accusation of fraud. What are you doing is a fraud:)
<15:38:35>"2012_CT Skeptic Project": i've actually talked to Andrew Buxton actually he seems to agree with me on this
<15:38:45>"2012_CT Skeptic Project": He's seen it as well
<15:39:05>"2012_CT Skeptic Project": Maybe you should talk with him about it as he would be able to present what I'm talking about a lot better in my opinion
<15:39:30>"2012_CT Skeptic Project": I'm not here to debate or argue within TVP. If it seems like I am you are mistaken as I'm not
<15:39:54>"2012_CT Skeptic Project": However i will but down my thoughts on the matter. :)
<15:40:17>"Stan Aizin": This is your opinion, Andrew can have his own. I don't see evidence of your accusations
<15:40:42>"2012_CT Skeptic Project": I didn't mean to make you upset that is not my intention within using TVP communication mediums
<15:43:06>"Stan Aizin": You don't upset me, but in fact, you do use this room for your personal agenda
<15:43:57>"2012_CT Skeptic Project": I do not want to intiate a debate however everybody has a agenda. Do they not?
<15:44:10>"2012_CT Skeptic Project": My mistake for thinknig I upset you. I was wrong in thinknig so.
<15:44:55>"Stan Aizin": Debate is always welcome, unproven accusation and conspiracies is not
<15:45:32>"2012_CT Skeptic Project": I do not welcome nor do I intentinal start debates that's not my purpose for being on this communication medium.
<15:46:51>"2012_CT Skeptic Project": however you were the agreesore in offering banishment therefore I compiled to avoid banishment. Although I disagree with how you forced me to enter into this dicussion as it was in my opinion very manipulative.
<15:47:07>"2012_CT Skeptic Project": If you would of asked me straight out without the threat of banish I would of just told you.
<15:48:08>"Stan Aizin": I asked proof of your statement, which you failed to provide.
<15:50:52>"2012_CT Skeptic Project": ok that's your opinion and i respect your opinion but I did provide soemthing :)
<15:51:15>"2012_CT Skeptic Project": that I deem to be pretty credible and also soemthing that Douglas Mallete has yet to respond too.
<15:52:25>"Stan Aizin": ok, I see.
<15:58:57>"2012_CT Skeptic Project": but you did make it ontomy SP hall of fame now LOl
http://conspiracies.skepticproject.com/forum/5262/tvp-faq-this-coming-sunday-3/2/#reply-da8c27f0 <-- take a look when you have time you mad my the hall of fame for this week on SP
<16:14:13>"Stan Aizin": good for you :)
<16:16:15>"2012_CT Skeptic Project": n/p :)

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Some Canadian called Collins complained about me.

<16:08:55>"2012_CT Skeptic Project": http://conspiracies.skepticproject.com/forum/5262/tvp-faq-this-coming-sunday-3/2/#reply-da8c27f0
<16:09:05>"2012_CT Skeptic Project": done with that mess
<16:10:36>"collin": you'd be another troll almost beyond rationality too then 2012?
<16:11:23>"2012_CT Skeptic Project": Collin I am a troll I am a critic naturally we are trolls on the academic level of course
<16:12:19>"collin": fine, then offer academic reasons that TVP wont work
<16:12:23>"Sean": wtf
<16:12:28>"collin": hi sean
<16:12:34>"collin": welcome back?
<16:12:45>"Sean": I had a huge piec of text, pressed arrow up and now its all gone
<16:12:54>"collin": oh :(
<16:13:08>"collin": did u accidently hit delete? try ctrl + z?
<16:13:11>"Sean": it was kind of the sum up...
<16:13:17>"Sean": i did..
<16:13:36>"2012_CT Skeptic Project": collin nice voice
<16:13:55>"2012_CT Skeptic Project": i'm still a troll though >_>
<16:14:15>"2012_CT Skeptic Project": lol
<16:14:32>"2012_CT Skeptic Project": I don't do that here
<16:14:39>"2012_CT Skeptic Project": no
<16:14:45>"2012_CT Skeptic Project": fine
<16:14:50>"2012_CT Skeptic Project": I'll contiue not to contribute
<16:14:54>"2012_CT Skeptic Project": ba
<16:15:03>"2012_CT Skeptic Project": I will put down my thoughts on the matter
<16:15:13>"collin": good
<16:15:27>"collin": and when u have a relevent question, come here and ask
<16:15:43>"2012_CT Skeptic Project": however it's not my intention to debate or argue in TVP comminucation medium. If you think I am, you are wrong as I am not.
<16:16:27>"collin": fine
<16:16:33>"collin": post your opinions online
<16:16:41>"collin": post your misinfo whereever you wish
<16:16:59>"collin": but it really speaks to your paranoia that you cant come here and talk with the most capable
<16:17:32>"collin": if you wanted your misinformation accusations opinions, and your academic knowledge put to the test
<16:17:35>"collin": you would do so here
<16:17:37>"collin": but you do not
<16:18:41>"collin": instead you try and turn people away from knowledge, and that is a despicable hobby.
<16:18:57>"Sean": what are you talking about
<16:19:01>"collin": talking to 2012

<16:12:19>"collin": fine, then offer academic reasons that TVP wont work
well collin, good buddy, it won't work because you had decades to do much more than simply sell coffee mugs, tshirts and fresco's scribbles. that is all the academia you guys can handle.

(and yes, i am aware this guy does not post here)

hey I will be asking more questions during the Q&A. Anybody wanting to put them up here by 2:30 est (more or less). I'll pose the question on TVP Q&A.

The TVP lecture is by far one of the most horrible but most unique lectures I have listened to. Fresco and Roxanne talk about "something things and nothing things". Fresco says that music is a nothing thing but it could possibly become a something thing. How science is a something thing. It's completely subjective garbage, you have to listen to it to to really appreciate it's full BS/entertainment value. I can't believe people subject themselves to pointless lectures like this and believe in it, it's mind blowing. "Something things and nothing things", LOL...

Record to listen to is 07/08/2012

Quote from CyborgJesus

I just randomly skipped through the recording and hit "book" and "best that money can't buy" four times. Have they printed too many copies or why are they so desperately trying to sell that thing?

Which recording did you listen to? I'm not sure because they do have the 100K now but they have been pushing the book down peoples throats now. When Fresco comes across a difficult question he will hardly answer it then make a claim that the answers are in his books and dvd's. It's a way to avoid answering the question I guess.

Fresco tried to manipulate his wife to not go into the childrens bedroom when the kid screamed at night

That's downright dangerous.

An infant isn't a cold, analytical machine evaluating which tactical plays earn the most attention. It's a human in a very early stage of psychological development and feelings of closeness and security still depend, for the most part, on parents being around. If you leave the poor thing alone in the dark and ignore the obvious signal of distress, you'll end up with a child that's both physiologically (due to stress) and psychologically (due to fear of abandonment) unhealthy. The scientific community unilaterally opposes "Cry it out", but maybe they're just not good at TVP's kind of Science™.

Changed topic title of this thread to reflect more accurately what this topic has turned into now. topic thread title is now "Brief abstract with SP discussion of TVP lecture and Q&A".

Quote from 2012 CT


Fresco would rather be 35 and understand the world than 109 and not understand the world.

I suppose he'd also rather be healthy and rich than sick and poor.

Maybe they receive a few ounces of pot from his hydrofarm.

edit: Correction - I assumed Doug with spacefetish to be Mallette. Still, the odds of this happening should be higher than of TVP selling an actual proprietary license.

August 12 2012 Record

No title of this lecture Fresco just goes into talking.

Fresco talks about working with people with ego's. It takes 4 or 5 years to get through to people with ego's so you don't want to tackle people who will take 4 or 5 years to convince that TVP's RBE will work. The reason yuo don't want to take time with these people is because they like the system because it benefits them. They have to accept RBE as a valid tool.


You can't undo someones track unless it's based on years of experienced. They get answers that "they" identified". Some person said they hate domes because they are no good, so don't waste your time convincing those people that domes work.

If you take away his identify he loses his ego. If he doesn't understand the basics of semantics, then you can't talk to them. They really are lost and they don't even know it. It's a terrible thing that they are lsot. If your communication does not alter human behavior then use it, if it does not use it then use something else.

Human reasons does not work with a mother. Your mom never tried to understand you.

Some person that came upon TVP compound yesterday made a lot of statements but did not asks question, Fresco suggest he's a victim of culture. He does not know how to ask a question. If the guy were to listen and agree with Fresco then in this culture he would think himself as losing, it's because of his ego that he does not back down. Roxanne had asked Fresco if that's true all the time, Fresco said it is true all the time.

Science is bad that's apart of this value system. Scientists are not really scientists if there apart of this value system. If scientists really understood this system that would participate in this system. If they gave up the role they play "in the system" they would lose themselves that's why they can't.

Normal tendency to try to get to people. It was hard for me (Fresco) to give up there ego. If he surrenders to you or you it hurts there ego, so give them a book that will contradict there thinking and not hurt there ego. Being a psychologist are ego trips. Most

17:30 everything in a machine is moved by something else, there is no part of a machine will move by itself. A mechanic will accept that. Fresco applies his human machines definition to what humans are. Most psychologist do not accept Fresco definition at which fresco defines these people as a victim of culture.

fresco rambles about some airplane stuff about bomb loads and how people who are older doesn't mean they know everything. The more people who studies engineering society will grow, the more people who studies business society will no grow. The person must surrender there ego, don't come off as a higher being when selling TVP and RBE.

TVP Q & A 19:30

1. How are the TVP lectures from the s70's coming along? Roxanne says there are 4 more copied will be put on mp3 soon.

2. Fresco your old how do you live for so long? fresco says he doesn't do anything so special.

3. Are there plans to release new TVP lectures on TVP media? Joe; says yes.

4. What significant information did you get out of a book called "Looking backward by Bellomed" (book was written in the 1800's)? Fresco says he liked the book. Roxanne said this book helped Fresco out in his direction as Bellomed the author of the book wrote this book about what the world could be. people wrote to Bellomed asking what they could do to start this future perfect would up and Bellomed said she couldn't do anything because she was not a technician. Fresco was inspired by this to start working to help humanity.

5. Would you agree with Corportarcy is the end game of capitalism? Fresco and Roxann agree.

6. What would you do differently if you were not so old with your years of experience within TVP? Fresco would not be in control then he wouldn't be able to do much.

24:00 7. Any updates on the motion picture? The motion picture writer they have commissioned with a down payment (sort of), The writing of this script was really not to there liking. So fresco and Roxanne are taking the script and doing it themselves. we're going to pretty much take it and don't have much respect for what they have seen in script writers. We're going to do the script writing ourselves. The good thing about that We won't be paying ourselves so we'll have a lot of fund left over. To further the movie once we get the script writing finished. Perhaps we'll show what we have with other script writers and do a total rewrite of the script. To get a budget it or use the money to travel to pitch the movie concept to other people, so in that way the money will be good.

8. has anybody ever bee argumentative at the tour of TVP? Fresco says no not really. Some people come to the tour who uphold the monetary. the last person like that, the rest of the crowd tried to help out and modify how he thinks. He was put down by most of the guests.


9. Is there plans for a autobiography of Fresco before he is gone? No, not at all. Any experienced writers in there field that are out there are welcome to give it a shot.

10. It's hard to go by this current value system we use which is money ever since I've been apart of TVP, you have any suggestions for how to cope? fresco says read our books, watch our tapes, be familiar with the venus project. Talking to as many people as you can to pull them to TVP.

11. Would it be wise to create a TVP OS to protect against hackers? No we're not experienced in that but maybe we can later.

12. Would you be interested in doing a meeting in London? yes we would if it's worth wild with many people, and there was no cost to us.

13. Have you ever tried to just try and fit in? No fresco never had. It's like trying to fit into the clan, you can't just fit in.

14. What will the role of psychological in the future? there are no roles of psychology. No need for this kids in the future will be able to handle this on there own.

15. What frequency and portion size do you eat, if you eat smaller portion you live longer? Don't stuff yourself when eating.

16. What would happened to current animal zoo's in a RBE society? Fresco says animals will be put back in there natural surroundings. People would walk in caged areas (people would be in cages) where people would observe animals in there natural habitat. Putting animals in zoo's is like putting them in prison.

17. How can we advocate for TVP? Be familiar with introduction to science, how scientists arrive at decisions. Once you understand science you can present TVP better.

18. If you were to write a book, what information would you write in the book about TVP? Fresco says he would present ideas, about behavior and values. What made these people deviant from conventional thinking.

19. How would you describe the process to envision the future? Use your knowledge of present day society. Fresco rambles on about telatactil which is smell and touch holograms. You can smell apple pie with teltatal. Roxanne clarifies the question again thinking fresco didn't answer it and Fresco rambles on about teltactical holograms and apple pie.

The guy who pose the question tries to clarify to Fresco again about the question because Fresco didn't really answer it. Fresco says values have no description therefore you can't deal with them. If you don't know what your values are then you don't know how to understand psychology that affects selection and choice.

In a RBE of new schools, there will be no values that have no relationship with each other. you will not learn anything that has not been verified.

38:00 20. i learned about TVP through TZM, I spoken to Roxanne over the phone a few months ago. It seems TVP and TZm have a similar goal or outcome. I'm curious why the relationship between TVP and TZm has ended or been working together on this goal? When TZM first came about Peter approach us and said he was going to do a movement. He wanted TZM to be the activist arm of TVP. As time went on TVp had very little say so on what happened in TZM. People did help when they went on the world lecture tour. TVP did not have much say in what TZM did. WHEn TVP and TZm separated for the first time we felt for the first time TVP was going into a direction they wanted to go into. It wasn't cooperative venture between TVP and TZM. TVP felt TZM may run TVP into the ground using TVP materials therefore we wanted to pull out and promote what we thought was necessary for this direction. The things we wanted to do Peter laughed at there ideas a lot therefore it wasn't a comfortable situation. TZM was suppose to be the activism arm of TVP but they were really two separate groups. So TZM became something different.

Roxanne would like to note that everything TZM advocates would taken from Fresco's work. So for Fresco to turn over everything over to another organization to someone who does not know about this direction, well fresco made a comment that TZM knew nothing about science. Roxanne says that TZm never contributed anything to the pool of knowledge of TVP. Roxanne says that Peter has said a lot of nasty things about Fresco and how he never came up with any original ideas himself. Roxanne goes in about how Fresco came up with a RBE and how none of the original ideas were done through TZM. Therefore it's more appropriate to be under TVP and be under the guidance of the individual who arrived at this direction.


21. How do you feel about protesting? If you criticize bankers and corrupt behavioral that's not enough you must come up with solutions. You must show people new ways of doing things, if you don't do that you will leave people in mid air just confused. Just protesting is not helpful, if it just criticizes it's useless.

22. How long will it take would it take for a RBE to happen? It depends on the members and what they do. It depends on whether we can get on the media like NBC, ABC, CBS, to tell people these things. Getting on the media to tell people about the project.

All media left over from the original city will be used to change peoples values


23. People with power are intentional doing things with money to be bad? No Fresco says there values are shaped by the culture they live in. people who don't question those values are victims of culture.

They don't want people to think in freedom terms therefore they control use by trying to make us not think in those terms. If you can control these things you alter there behavior. Propaganda doesn't work on the well informed.

24. As TVP student we are reading writing and discussing materials and other things, if there more we can engage in to speed up the learning process? yes if you belong to a political group, church club, or any organization get up and promote the venus project. That is a good education when you try and share and educate with others. Reading with a group about recommended TVP material is a good way. Fresco steps in and says the fastes way to do it is to read the book "the Best that money can't buy". read that book a couple of times, that book is the most important book if you read anything. Roxanne says Fresco's lectures are important as well.


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I've taken away from this lecture that people have ego's and are sensitive but Fresco and Roxanne do not have ego's and can take criticism even if they later say that they will not try to win over individuals that will take them 4-5 years to win over. I also learned that TZM knows nothing and stole work from TVP. Finally that the best way to learn about TVP and RBE is buy the book "the best that money can't buy".

On that I'd like to note that my prediction on the TVP motion picture was a pretty accurate prediction as of right now. As if you were too look on question 7 Roxanne basically says they fired there writed because he wasn't good enough and there now taking on writing the script themsevles. Since they don't pay themsevles the money will go into other places within the movie.

"24:00 7. Any updates on the motion picture? The motion picture writer they have commissioned with a down payment (sort of), The writing of this script was really not to there liking. So fresco and Roxanne are taking the script and doing it themselves. we're going to pretty much take it and don't have much respect for what they have seen in script writers. We're going to do the script writing ourselves. The good thing about that We won't be paying ourselves so we'll have a lot of fund left over. To further the movie once we get the script writing finished. Perhaps we'll show what we have with other script writers and do a total rewrite of the script. To get a budget it or use the money to travel to pitch the movie concept to other people, so in that way the money will be good. "

I had written about the TVP big budget movie scam on SP and will be writing more about this within that thread soon.
http://conspiracies.skepticproject.com/forum/5349/the-venus-projects-100000-big-budget-movie-scam-prediction/

Live stream of TVP Q&A lecture

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZO3Q1Y85yUk

TVP Seminar #60
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rb72A9lJt5o

Roxanne was asked to give a percentage of how much the big big budget movie is done. She claimed they have 40% of the big budget movie done.

7 Oct Seminar #62 Behaviorism 3/5
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDL6BbVWRl8

TVP Seminar #62
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=136mZYrYC_0