Skeptic Project

Just backed up the anticultist wayback blogs in .pdf format. Hopefully this is all of it.

http://st0rage.org/~graalreborn11/pet/anticultist%20pdf%20site%20save/

Quote from anticultist

on each pdf the first articles/pages have text covered by script boxes.

I checked it out, I'm not sure what I am suppose to be looking at?



I went through and ordered most of the blog pieces by anticultist I could find by year in which the blogs include all the comments as well in .pdf format. It seems I may be missing the newer blog pieces in 2011. I will try to find them. Anticultist if you see any blog topic post missing tell/ me or link them me and I'll put them up.

I will in time be making the move for anticultist blogs from .pdf to this topic on SP.

http://st0rage.org/~graalreborn11/pet/anticultist%20pdf%20site%20save/Anticultist%20full%20blog%20with%20comments%20and%20dated%20frm%20newest%20to%20oldest/

2009

DEC


0ther blogs on venus project worth reading Decembe.30.2009 51

[comedy moments] Classic space cadet quotes from the zeitgeist movement December.30.2009 52

Venus Project/Zeitgeist members online Tactics December.31.2009 53

Noam Chomsky on Zeitgeist & Venus Project December.31.2009 54

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2010

JAN

A brief comment on the venus project January.1.2010 10

The problems with venus projects Worlds Resources survey January.1.2010 11

Herbert Marcuse the inventor of Jacque Frescos "ideas" ? January.3.2010 12

The Zeitgeist Movements inability to see the now January.4.2010 13

The art of Advertising within The zeitgeist movement January.5.2010 14

Issues of Transparency in Zeitgeist & Venus Project January.7.2010 X 15

Legal contest of trademarking Resource Based Economy January.7.2010 16

Capitalist Concepts: Division of labour January.9.2010 X 17

Humiliation & Morale : analysis January.9.2010 18

Some personal issues I have with generalisation January.9.2010 19

Venus Project - Hollywood blockbuster January.10.2010 20

The denial of zeitgeist movement members January.11.2010 21

Jacque Fresco Social Engineer January.17.2010 22

Dr Jacque Fresco PhD in human factors engineering ? January.18.2010 23

The Venus Project is not just non-profit? January.18.2010 24

Venus Project donations? for what purpose? January.19.2010 25



FEB

Who is Peter Joseph ? February.10.2010 26

Who is Peter Joseph ? Part 2 February.16.2010 27

Earth to Peter Re: 2/25/10 Radio Address February.25.2010 28


March

Z Day March.13.2010 29

All this has happened before March.21.2010 30

Love this Kid March.23.2010 31


April

Earth 2 movie Fails [ For the Venus Project] and creators cut Fresco loose ! April.8.2010 32

Open Source Ecology review TVP & TZM April.14.2010 33

TVP ex 1970-1980's member speaks April.14.2010 34

The science that is missing and completely wrong in the venus project April.19.2010 35

The psychological profile of a conspiracy theorist April.21.2010 36



May

wikipedia calls TZM & TVP cults May.6.2010 37

Peter Joseph Merola misquoting as usual May.7.2010 38

Anonymous are onto the Zeitgeist Movement May.16.2010 39





June

So you don't think TVP and TZM are a cult June.6.2010 40

Zeitgeist Movement entrance test results June.10.2010 41

Conspiracy Science on why TZM is failing June.14.2010 42

Conspiracy Theories Continued (via The Red Phoenix) June.24.2010 43



July

Peter Joseph Merola is plain arrogant July.30.2010 44

RBE: A Baseless Theory Part 1, 2 & 3 [falkners legend reblog] July.31.2010 45



Aug

Sherdog MMA Forum - Conspiracy Nutcases August.5.2010 46

Quick response to Plan B From The Bacardi Room August.5.2010 47

Who is Peter Joseph part 3: Charles Robinson August.10.2010 48


Sep

Joke Fresco is getting annihalated here September.1.2010 49


Oct

I have taken a few months off from the blog and making any posts October.31.2010





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Dec

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2011

Jan

Murdering sociopaths of zeitgeist January.25.2011 1

Trust issues in paradise January.26.2011 2


April

Anonymous claims Roxanne Meadows is a gamblers nightmare April.19.2011 3

Will TZM's next Jared Lee Loughner kill Fresco & Meadows ? April.20.2011 4

Zeitgeist get the Earth 2.0 Treatment April.21.2011 5

Roxanne Meadows says scientists can not understand their hidden
technology - Anonymous video April.21.2011 6

Where is waldo ? I mean Peter Joseph Merola April.27.2011 7

Barbara Streisand effect - VTV fraudulantly flags videos April.27.2011 8




Aug

Zeitgeisters believe they are the smartest people alive August.4.2011 9

Thank you anticultist much appreciated. This will help out when I get to the point of archiving your blog onto SP. If you find any more links to videos, picture or anything post them up.

Right now I found more 2011 blogs that were not in the archive that I saved from wayback. I added them onto here but will include them in with the rest of the blogs soon. Anticultist or anybody else if you find any blogs I'm missing added them up here.

Anticutlist if you have some time could you hope onto SP IRC. I will be active on SP IRC until about 4:30 ish PM EST. If I'm not there your welcome to idle. I got the mibbit webbased IRC below all you have to do is click it.

http://wbe02.mibbit.com/?server=irc.slacknet.org&nick=CS%3F%3F%3F&channel=%23conspiracies&settings=c76462e5055bace06e32d325963b39f2



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I am left to suggest one thing: Re-Structure The Zeitgeist Movement without TVP's/Fresco's establishment. April 18, 2011
http://web.archive.org/web/20110811140954/http://anticultist.wordpress.com/2011/04/18/i-am-left-to-suggest-one-thing-re-structure-the-zeitgeist-movement-without-tvpsfrescos-establishment/


Venus project using their non profit company for a profit April 18, 2011
http://web.archive.org/web/20110811141155/http://anticultist.wordpress.com/2011/04/18/venus-project-using-their-non-profit-company-for-a-profit/

The Venus Projects 990 EZ forms - expenses and income info [IRS audit info also] April 18, 2011
http://web.archive.org/web/20110805084420/http://anticultist.wordpress.com/2011/04/18/tvp-990-ez-forms-expenses-and-income-info-irs-audit-info-also/


TVP & TZM do not do charity nor have they ever done it April 17, 2011
http://web.archive.org/web/20110827221220/http://anticultist.wordpress.com/2011/04/17/tvp-tzm-do-not-do-charity-nor-have-they-ever-done-it/






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http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:qU9VI08recMJ:anticultist.wordpress.com/author/anticultists/+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

Zeitgeist: Moving Forward [Review] (via The Zeitgeist Movement Examined) • January 26, 2011
http://web.archive.org/web/20110923041544/http://anticultist.wordpress.com/2011/01/26/zeitgeist-moving-forward-review-via-the-zeitgeist-movement-examined/


Who Is peter joseph merola of zeitgeist ? • January 27, 2011
http://web.archive.org/web/20110811140919/http://anticultist.wordpress.com/2011/01/27/who-is-peter-joseph-merola/


Who owns who is peter joseph.com • January 27, 2011
http://web.archive.org/web/20110814151311/http://anticultist.wordpress.com/2011/01/27/who-owns-who-is-peter-joseph-com/


Peter Joseph Merola gets Roasted • February 13, 2011
http://web.archive.org/web/20110723214758/http://anticultist.wordpress.com/2011/02/13/peter-joespeh-merola-gets-roasted/

Peter Joseph Merola cheats & edits the truth to make his point • February 13, 2011
http://web.archive.org/web/20110723221454/http://anticultist.wordpress.com/2011/02/13/peter-joseph-merola-cheats-edits-the-truth-to-make-his-point/


Alien Abductees and Conspiracy Theorists • February 15, 2011
http://web.archive.org/web/20110811230659/http://anticultist.wordpress.com/2011/02/15/alien-abductees-and-conspiracy-theorists/



Jacque Fresco states Peter Joseph Merola & TZM do not understand The Venus Project April 14, 2011
http://web.archive.org/web/20120820065200/http://anticultist.wordpress.com/2011/04/14/jacque-fresco-states-peter-joseph-merola-tzm-do-not-understand-the-venus-project/


Report the Venus Project to the IRS (via Zeitgeist Movement Exposed) • April 15, 2011
http://web.archive.org/web/20110811140511/http://anticultist.wordpress.com/2011/04/15/report-the-venus-project-to-the-irs-via-zeitgeist-movement-exposed/


Get Your Money Back From The Venus Project (via Zeitgeist Movement Exposed) • April 15, 2011
http://web.archive.org/web/20110811141321/http://anticultist.wordpress.com/2011/04/15/get-your-money-back-from-the-venus-project-via-zeitgeist-movement-exposed/



New message from Peter Merola about Jacque Fresco • April 16, 2011
http://web.archive.org/web/20120905144043/http://anticultist.wordpress.com/2011/04/16/new-mesage-from-peter-merola-about-jacque-fresco/

2011
Jan
Murdering sociopaths of zeitgeist January.25.2011 1 X
http://web.archive.org/web/20110811013820/http://anticultist.wordpress.com/2011/01/25/murdering-sociopaths-of-zeitgeist/

Zeitgeist: Moving Forward [Review] (via The Zeitgeist Movement Examined) • January 26, 2011 1n X 2 X http://web.archive.org/web/20110923041544/http://anticultist.wordpress.com/2011/01/26/zeitgeist-moving-forward-review-via-the-zeitgeist-movement-examined/

Trust issues in paradise January.26.2011 X http://web.archive.org/web/20110728033412/http://anticultist.wordpress.com/2011/01/26/trust-issues-in-paradise/

Who Is peter joseph merola of zeitgeist ? • January 27, 2011 2uu X 4 X http://web.archive.org/web/20110811140919/http://anticultist.wordpress.com/2011/01/27/who-is-peter-joseph-merola/

Who owns who is peter joseph.com • January 27, 2011 2uuu X 5 http://web.archive.org/web/20110814151311/http://anticultist.wordpress.com/2011/01/27/who-owns-who-is-peter-joseph-com/ X


Feb
Peter Joseph Merola gets Roasted • February 13, 2011 2uuuu X 6 http://web.archive.org/web/20110723214758/http://anticultist.wordpress.com/2011/02/13/peter-joespeh-merola-gets-roasted/ X

Peter Joseph Merola cheats & edits the truth to make his point • February 13, 2011 2uuuuu X 7 http://web.archive.org/web/20110723221454/http://anticultist.wordpress.com/2011/02/13/peter-joseph-merola-cheats-edits-the-truth-to-make-his-point X

Alien Abductees and Conspiracy Theorists • February 15, 2011 2uuuuuu X 8 http://web.archive.org/web/20110811230659/http://anticultist.wordpress.com/2011/02/15/alien-abductees-and-conspiracy-theorists/ X


April
Jacque Fresco states Peter Joseph Merola & TZM do not understand The Venus Project April 14, 2011 2uuuuuuu X 9 http://web.archive.org/web/20121024034031/http://anticultist.wordpress.com/2011/04/14/jacque-fresco-states-peter-joseph-merola-tzm-do-not-understand-the-venus-project/ X

Report the Venus Project to the IRS (via Zeitgeist Movement Exposed) • April 15, 2011 2uuuuuuuu X 10 http://web.archive.org/web/20110811140511/http://anticultist.wordpress.com/2011/04/15/report-the-venus-project-to-the-irs-via-zeitgeist-movement-exposed/ X

Get Your Money Back From The Venus Project (via Zeitgeist Movement Exposed) • April 15, 2011 2uuuuuuuuu X 11 http://web.archive.org/web/20110811141321/http://anticultist.wordpress.com/2011/04/15/get-your-money-back-from-the-venus-project-via-zeitgeist-movement-exposed/ X

New message from Peter Merola about Jacque Fresco • April 16, 2011 2uuuuuuuuuu X 12 http://web.archive.org/web/20120905144043/http://anticultist.wordpress.com/2011/04/16/new-mesage-from-peter-merola-about-jacque-fresco/ X

TVP & TZM do not do charity nor have they ever done it April 17, 2011 2uuuuuuuuuuu X 13 http://web.archive.org/web/20110827221220/http://anticultist.wordpress.com/2011/04/17/tvp-tzm-do-not-do-charity-nor-have-they-ever-done-it/ X

The Venus Projects 990 EZ forms - expenses and income info IRS audit info also April 18, 2011 2uuuuuuuuuuuu X 14 http://web.archive.org/web/20110805084420/http://anticultist.wordpress.com/2011/04/18/tvp-990-ez-forms-expenses-and-income-info-irs-audit-info-also/ X

Venus project using their non profit company for a profit April 18, 2011 2uuuuuuuuuuuuu X 15 http://web.archive.org/web/20110811141155/http://anticultist.wordpress.com/2011/04/18/venus-project-using-their-non-profit-company-for-a-profit/ X

I am left to suggest one thing: Re-Structure The Zeitgeist Movement without TVP's/Fresco's establishment. April 18, 2011 2uuuuuuuuuuuuuu X 16 http://web.archive.org/web/20110811140954/http://anticultist.wordpress.com/2011/04/18/i-am-left-to-suggest-one-thing-re-structure-the-zeitgeist-movement-without-tvpsfrescos-establishment/ X

Anonymous claims Roxanne Meadows is a gamblers nightmare April.19.2011 17 http://web.archive.org/web/20121022110755/http://anticultist.wordpress.com/2011/04/19/anonymous-claims-roxanne-meadows-is-a-gamblers-nightmare/ X

TVP steals the TZM business model for their own website & solicits TZM members April 19, 2011 3u X 18 http://web.archive.org/web/20120818031336/http://anticultist.wordpress.com/2011/04/19/tvp-steals-the-tzm-business-model-for-their-own-website-solicits-tzm-members/ X

Peter Merola on Roxanne Meadows, "youre a liar and full of shit !" April 19, 2011 3uu X 19 http://web.archive.org/web/20120818030359/http://anticultist.wordpress.com/2011/04/19/peter-merola-on-roxanne-meadows-youre-a-liar-and-full-of-shit/ X

US TZM meeting Q&A with Roxanne & Merola concludes - TVP seperates from TZM April 19, 2011 3uuu X 20 http://web.archive.org/web/20110811141227/http://anticultist.wordpress.com/2011/04/19/us-tzm-meeting-qa-with-roxanne-merola-concludes-tvp-seperates-from-tzm/ X SJ

VTV drops TVP and makes powerplay to take over TZM April 19, 2011 3uuuu 21 http://web.archive.org/web/20110831102405/http://anticultist.wordpress.com/2011/04/19/vtv-drops-tvp-and-makes-powerplay-to-take-over-tzm/ X

Will TZM's next Jared Lee Loughner kill Fresco & Meadows ? April.20.2011 22 http://web.archive.org/web/20120818030405/http://anticultist.wordpress.com/2011/04/20/will-tzms-next-jared-lee-loughner-kill-fresco-meadows/ X


Zeitgeist get the Earth 2.0 Treatment April.21.2011 5 23 http://web.archive.org/web/20120818031003/http://anticultist.wordpress.com/2011/04/21/zeitgeist-get-the-earth-2-0-treatment-anonymous-video/ X

Roxanne Meadows says scientists can not understand their hidden technology - Anonymous video April.21.2011 6 24 http://web.archive.org/web/20120818030958/http://anticultist.wordpress.com/2011/04/21/roxanne-meadows-says-scientists-can-not-understand-their-hidden-technology-anonymous-video/ X

Where is waldo ? I mean Peter Joseph Merola April.27.2011 7 25 http://web.archive.org/web/20120818030707/http://anticultist.wordpress.com/2011/04/27/where-is-waldo-i-mean-peter-joeseph-merola/ X

Barbara Streisand effect - VTV fraudulantly flags videos April.27.2011 8 26 http://web.archive.org/web/20120818031009/http://anticultist.wordpress.com/2011/04/27/barbara-streisand-effect-vtv-fraudulantly-flags-videos/ X S

Aug
Zeitgeisters believe they are the smartest people alive August.4.2011 9 27 http://web.archive.org/web/20120926025951/http://anticultist.wordpress.com/2011/08/04/zeitgeisters-believe-they-are-the-smartest-people-alive/ x S

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2010
JAN
A brief comment on the venus project January.1.2010 10 28 http://web.archive.org/web/20120308145711/http://anticultist.wordpress.com/2010/01/01/a-brief-comment-on-the-venus-project/ X S

The problems with venus projects Worlds Resources survey January.1.2010 11 29 http://web.archive.org/web/20110906152128/http://anticultist.wordpress.com/2010/01/01/the-problems-with-venus-projects-resource-survey/ X S

Herbert Marcuse the inventor of Jacque Frescos "ideas" ? January.3.2010 12 30 http://web.archive.org/web/20110810215847/http://anticultist.wordpress.com/2010/01/03/herbert-marcuse-the-forerunner-to-jacque-frescos-ideas/ X S

The Zeitgeist Movements inability to see the now January.4.2010 13 31 http://web.archive.org/web/20100210075309/http://anticultist.wordpress.com/2010/01/04/the-zeitgeist-movements-inability-to-see-the-now/ X S

The art of Advertising within The zeitgeist movement January.5.2010 14 32 http://web.archive.org/web/20110718090553/http://anticultist.wordpress.com/2010/01/05/the-art-of-advertising-within-the-zeitgeist-movement/ X S

Issues of Transparency in Zeitgeist & Venus Project January.7.2010 X 15 33 http://web.archive.org/web/20120308145551/http://anticultist.wordpress.com/2010/01/07/issues-of-transparency-in-zeitgeist-venus-project/ X S

Legal contest of trademarking Resource Based Economy January.7.2010 16 34 http://web.archive.org/web/20120818030338/http://anticultist.wordpress.com/2010/01/07/legal-contest-of-trademarking-resource-based-economy/ X S

Capitalist Concepts: Division of labour January.9.2010 X 17 35 http://web.archive.org/web/20120308145503/http://anticultist.wordpress.com/2010/01/09/capitalist-concepts-division-of-labour/ X S

Humiliation & Morale : analysis January.9.2010 18 36 http://web.archive.org/web/20110718090251/http://anticultist.wordpress.com/2010/01/09/humiliation-morale-analysis/ X S

Some personal issues I have with generalisation January.9.2010 19 37 http://web.archive.org/web/20110213081040/http://anticultist.wordpress.com/2010/01/09/some-personal-issues-i-have-with-generalisation/ X S

Venus Project - Hollywood blockbuster January.10.2010 20 38 http://web.archive.org/web/20100610013905/http://anticultist.wordpress.com/2010/01/10/venus-project-hollywood-blockbuster/ S X

The denial of zeitgeist movement members January.11.2010 21 39 http://web.archive.org/web/20110901121330/http://anticultist.wordpress.com/2010/01/11/the-denial-of-zeitgeist-members/ X S

Jacque Fresco Social Engineer January.17.2010 22 40 http://web.archive.org/web/20110906161359/http://anticultist.wordpress.com/2010/01/17/jacque-fresco-social-engineer/ X S

Dr Jacque Fresco PhD in human factors engineering ? January.18.2010 23 41 http://web.archive.org/web/20110906121842/http://anticultist.wordpress.com/2010/01/18/dr-jacque-fresco-phd-in-human-factors-engineering/ X S

The Venus Project is not just non-profit? January.18.2010 24 42 http://web.archive.org/web/20120402171629/http://anticultist.wordpress.com/2010/01/18/the-venus-project-is-not-just-non-profit/ x S


Venus Project donations? for what purpose? January.19.2010 25 43 http://web.archive.org/web/20121024030651/http://anticultist.wordpress.com/2010/01/19/venus-project-donations-for-what-purpose/ X S


FEB
Who is Peter Joseph ? February.10.2010 26 44 http://web.archive.org/web/20130126070001/http://anticultist.wordpress.com/2010/02/10/who-is-peter-joseph/ X S

Who is Peter Joseph ? Part 2 February.16.2010 27 45 http://web.archive.org/web/20120402155527/http://anticultist.wordpress.com/2010/02/16/who-is-peter-joseph-part-2/ X S

Earth to Peter Re: 2/25/10 Radio Address February.25.2010 28 46 http://web.archive.org/web/20110809055333/http://anticultist.wordpress.com/2010/02/25/earth-to-peter-re-22510-radio-address/ X S

March
Z Day March.13.2010 29 47
http://web.archive.org/web/20110814182050/http://anticultist.wordpress.com/2010/03/13/z-day/ X S

All this has happened before March.21.2010 30 48 http://web.archive.org/web/20110815012022/http://anticultist.wordpress.com/2010/03/21/all-this-has-happened-before/ X S

Love this Kid March.23.2010 31 49 http://web.archive.org/web/20110808005734/http://anticultist.wordpress.com/2010/03/23/love-this-kid/ X S

April
Earth 2 movie Fails [ For the Venus Project] and creators cut Fresco loose ! April.8.2010 32 50 http://web.archive.org/web/20110920191042/http://anticultist.wordpress.com/2010/04/08/earth-2-movie-venus-proect-fails-and-reators-cut-fresco-loose/ X S

Open Source Ecology review TVP & TZM April.14.2010 33 51 http://web.archive.org/web/20110828001156/http://anticultist.wordpress.com/2010/04/14/open-source-ecology-review-tvp/ X S

TVP ex 1970-1980's member speaks April.14.2010 34 52 http://web.archive.org/web/20121025054824/http://anticultist.wordpress.com/2010/04/14/tvp-ex-1970-1980s-member-speaks/ X S


The science that is missing and completely wrong in the venus project April.19.2010 35 53 http://web.archive.org/web/20110814174656/http://anticultist.wordpress.com/2010/04/19/the-science-that-is-missing-and-completely-wrong-in-the-venus-project/ X S

The psychological profile of a conspiracy theorist April.21.2010 36 54 http://web.archive.org/web/20110321142658/http://anticultist.wordpress.com/2010/04/21/the-psychological-profile-of-a-conspiracy-theorist/ X S


May
wikipedia calls TZM & TVP cults May.6.2010 37 55 http://web.archive.org/web/20110923044152/http://anticultist.wordpress.com/2010/05/06/wikipedia-calls-tzm-tvp-cults/ X S

Peter Joseph Merola misquoting as usual May.7.2010 38 56 http://web.archive.org/web/20110907010108/http://anticultist.wordpress.com/2010/05/07/peter-merola-misquoting-as-usual/ X S

Anonymous are onto the Zeitgeist Movement May.16.2010 39 57 http://web.archive.org/web/20110831012535/http://anticultist.wordpress.com/2010/05/16/anonymous-are-onto-the-zeitgeist-movement/ X S


June
So you don't think TVP and TZM are a cult June.6.2010 40 58 http://web.archive.org/web/20110831122046/http://anticultist.wordpress.com/2010/06/06/so-you-dont-think-tvp-and-tzm-are-a-cult/ X S

Zeitgeist Movement entrance test results June.10.2010 41 59 http://web.archive.org/web/20110830160353/http://anticultist.wordpress.com/2010/06/10/zeitgeist-movement-entrance-test-results/ X S

Conspiracy Science on why TZM is failing June.14.2010 42 60 http://web.archive.org/web/20110805225750/http://anticultist.wordpress.com/2010/06/14/conspiracy-science-on-why-tzm-is-failing/ X S

Conspiracy Theories Continued (via The Red Phoenix) June.24.2010 43 61 http://web.archive.org/web/20110807233130/http://anticultist.wordpress.com/2010/06/24/conspiracy-theories-continued-via-the-red-phoenix/ X S

July
Peter Joseph Merola is plain arrogant July.30.2010 44 62 http://web.archive.org/web/20110901190804/http://anticultist.wordpress.com/2010/07/30/peter-joseph-merola-is-plain-arrogant/ X S

RBE: A Baseless Theory Part 1, 2 & 3 [falkners legend reblog] July.31.2010 45 63 http://web.archive.org/web/20110916144322/http://anticultist.wordpress.com/2010/07/31/rbe-a-baseless-theory-part-1-falkners-legend-reblog/ X S


Aug
Sherdog MMA Forum - Conspiracy Nutcases August.5.2010 46 64 http://web.archive.org/web/20110810054532/http://anticultist.wordpress.com/2010/08/05/sherdog-mma-forum-conspiracy-nutcases/ X S

Quick response to Plan B From The Bacardi Room August.5.2010 47 65 http://web.archive.org/web/20110811151857/http://anticultist.wordpress.com/2010/08/05/quick-response-to-plan-b-from-the-bacardi-room/ X S

Who is Peter Joseph part 3: Charles Robinson August.10.2010 48 66 http://web.archive.org/web/20110901121154/http://anticultist.wordpress.com/2010/08/10/who-is-peter-joseph-part-3-charles-robinson/ X S



Sep
Joke Fresco is getting annihalated here September.1.2010 49 67 http://web.archive.org/web/20110902175040/http://anticultist.wordpress.com/2010/09/01/joke-fresco-is-getting-annihalated-here/ X S


Oct
I have taken a few months off from the blog and making any posts October.31.2010 68 http://web.archive.org/web/20110901121324/http://anticultist.wordpress.com/2010/10/31/i-have-taken-a-few-months-off-from-the-blog-and-making-any-posts/ X S


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2009

DEC
0ther blogs on venus project worth reading Decembe.30.2009 51 69 http://web.archive.org/web/20110810214144/http://anticultist.wordpress.com/2009/12/30/barbedwiresmile/ X S

[comedy moments] Classic space cadet quotes from the zeitgeist movement December.30.2009 52 70 http://web.archive.org/web/20110718090604/http://anticultist.wordpress.com/2009/12/30/comedy-moments-classic-space-cadet-quotes-from-the-zeitgeist-movement/ X S

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Giving this one a reblog as its a fun read and anyone new to zeitards and zeitard movies should read it.

Zeitards themselves will be in denial so no point addressing that bunch of Jareds.
The films starts off with this quote. "In a decaying society, art, if it is truthful, must also reflect decay, and unless it wants to break down with its social function, art must show the world as changable, and help to change it." -Ernest Fischer Interesting, when I pull this guy up, this is the first thing that pops up. "Life value analysis" my ass Dr. John McMurtry. The Zeitgeist Movement, the cult, even admits that it's communism with differ ... Read More

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This review has been updated after many comments and side conversations.

The films starts off with this quote.

"In a decaying society, art, if it is truthful, must also reflect decay, and unless it wants to break down with its social function, art must show the world as changable, and help to change it."

-Ernest Fischer

Interesting, when I pull this guy up, this is the first thing that pops up. "Life value analysis" my ass Dr. John McMurtry. Making fun of those who call TZM communism does not dismiss the argument:



The Zeitgeist Movement, the cult, even admits that it's communism with different icing on the cake is all. So I'm not going to waste my time on that, it's self explanatory. But the quote above is correct and not a misquote which is rare. I'm getting ahead of myself tho.

Then the fearmongering starts in static.

1. Unemployment rising.
2. The national debt.
3. Nuclear war.

Then it fades in from an excerpt from John Ortberg here:



This tries to put the message that there's no such thing as ownership and property, ringing in their usual rhetoric that they want all to be common heritage. This sounds like communism already:



As John's speech is going, a scene from the ending of Zeitgeist: Addendum emerges as a tear drops on the ground and the tear spreads into a static puddle. Then the puddle surrounds the shoes and a suitcase. Then all of the sudden NY is being flooded, then it goes back to a person slowly up to the shoulder standing in the flood after the water level was higher before getting to him. This is already showing how fake it is and means that they all would have to move forward under water. They should be drowning and something, right ? Then the person you see is the person that goes by Tanktop aka Noel Hunter who was the cult admin for the Zeitgeist Movement. So he looks around and sees a SIEMENS sign, but it's not called SIEMENS, it's called "SIEMELLS". Instead of blurring out the real name, they made a phony. This alone created controversy in the ending of Zeitgeist: Addendum before. It looks like all featured companies in the movie were fake-named as Noel looks around looking at them. Then Noel looks at a child laying down in a blanket homeless, which isn't reality-like, a child by himself or herself would be helped immediately unlike a homeless adult. Just more conditioning to make you feel bad about yourself. Tho depending which country you are in, people can be this cold-hearted, but this was in the famous NY scenery. Then Noel looks around and see people drinking wine and eating shrimp. Then Noel looks up at the TV looking at a TV SHOW about some program being hot, with chicks and with money, more like an infomercial. So Noel picks up his suitcase [suppose to be drowning] after what he just saw and begins to move forward as the credits begin to display.

It fades into an animation tale of Jacque Fresco telling his life story that he has repeated time and time again and is [biography] suppose to be more attractive this time because it's now a cartoon. Well it's not. He admits that he refused to pledge to allegiance and was a drop out. Early as middle school more likely. Then he says he had a lab when he was a teenager, that right there smells like bullshit already. You don't need a lab to make toy models [ask a kid playing with legos] and he doesn't have a lab now at the Venus Project. So put on a mask because this shit is going to smell even more, this shit has to go as he would put it as someone needs to change his diaper:



Proof that Jacque Fresco stole ideas from a theme park in Florida..

Then it opens up with the 2nd quote:

"Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has."

-Margaret Mead

This is a valid quote as well, so far, no screw ups like previously.

[Human Nature]

For a review on human nature, you can review this informative information gathering about this part by Eric from ConspiracyScience.com mainly in that section a bit more in all the section of the film.

But to be brief. Dr. Gabor Maté says to call anything "genetic" is a cop out. This leans to the tabula rasa theory where the Zeitgeist Movement, the cult believe all human beings are blank slates. Even a quote coming from their understanding page:

The bottom line is that it is environmental conditioning that really affects 99% of our actions, and all diligent behavior studies have proven this time and time again.

99% ? That's silly and let me explain why.

He also says that human beings are not really competitive when competition has proven to be the very thing to get us motivated in the business world to make bigger and better things. Innovation is still rising. To suggest competition can be eliminated entirely is idiotic as it can only be done if everyone in a RBE was hypnotically brainwashed to be passive and obeyed technical elitism called their "interdisciplinary teams". RBE doesn't present equality, it presents brainwashing to put it simply. This explains why a RBE could not work, because people are not only can be addicted to money and things related to money, but also outside that as well. To think that Peter Joseph Merola and his RBE can reduce 95 percent of crime is completely a joke and defines utopia itself. But I have been referred to look at a society called "Gaviota" if I spelled that right. Jacque Fresco states that those who are looking for justice can't be helped and will remain "unfixed". It shows that changing human behavior isn't so easy after all.

The 3rd quote given is by Dr. Mate and it's the following:

"It's all in the genes": an explanation for the way things are that does not threaten the way things are. Why should someone feel unhappy or engage in antisocial behavior when that person is living in the freest and most prosperous nation on earth? It can't be the system! There must be a flaw in wiring someone"

-Louis Menard

This quote also is correct.

When Dr. Robert Sapolsky talks about culture and past human history, he says that hunter gathers were less violent with each other than we are now. But there has been a TED TALK that says the opposite with Steven Pinker and that the violence we see today is gradually decreasing. Now this film and most Zeitards will say that if you die in anyway, it's violence, poverty is violence, starving is violence. What's next ? Someone dying from old age is violence ?

So you have a doctor here explaining what's not a myth. Then you have Dr. James Gilligan saying that violence is not "universal", so more myths is being shoved down Zeitards' throats. Also you have Dr. Robert Sapolsky admitting that America is one of the most individualistic societies today with noticing capitalism and capitalism is bad now ? Encouragement of collectivism starts to come in here as to say that in order to avoid hierarchy and to get more altruism from people, you have to be a collectivist.

[Social Pathology]

So we are now suddenly introduced to Dr. John McMurtry, who doesn't know what Supply and Demand means and it's relationship according to economics, this section is called anti-economics ? He's a dumb doctor then. It's amazing too, because Peter Joseph Merola suggest that they can keep track of "demand" in the new system called a Resource-Based Economy as if the monetary system never ever had a formula for demand to begin with. If anyone goes back to the Zeitgeist Orientation film Peter Joseph Merola, you will see how he breaks this down when he gives the orange [fruit] example. Very simply, when there is scarcity of oranges, prices go up, abundance of oranges, lower prices. An economic mathematical model of understanding which RBE lacks. Peter Joseph Merola once again makes up his own words and definitions which he says can not be found in textbooks.... Cults make up their own language according to Bill Maher tho:



But of course, he's a drop out, so what did you expect ? Peter Joseph Merola uses the same music and istock footage he used in Zeitgeist: Addendum, lectures, rhetoric and ZDAY cult activities which makes this look as if he didn't even try hard enough to make the film. It becomes noticable in this section specifically. He also disrespects people by calling them "consumer robots" and don't understand that when it comes to gifts and holidays, it's the thought that counts and it's about spending time with their families. None of the two is wasteful as he describes it. His attitude just shows how alone and isolated he is and why he is pathetic. His sarcastic voice is annoying and his profanity even caused trouble with his film on youtube. Because cussing at your audience is educational according to Peter Joseph Merola.

Then Peter Joseph Merola says if he was to make a table bullshit story, blah blah blah blah, okay, people who make shit from scratch usually make things from resources around them. You can't tell an Eskimo [for an example] to build a steel fridge if all there is around him is snow and ice. Even Stefan comments on this and says that what if people want to make something cheap for someone that may lose interest in quickly ? Makes sense. He offers the treehouse example and says that products breaking isn't some secret conspiracy. Even Jacque Fresco himself would agree with me on that because they don't have the "frame of reference" to do so as Peter Joseph Merola coins it. Bad example to give by the cult leader. Peter Joseph Merola says that goods and services from a store doesn't offer other people's prices to compare with when you can look at commercials today and see companies do this more often. Companies often do this thing called "price-matching" in order to try to keep business with the same customers or get new ones.

Then we have Peter Joseph Merola repeat that there's no way the planet can escape from debt when this notion was debunked a long time ago by the name of G. Edward Griffin, he says:

"I practically fell out of my chair when the program repeated that old, silly argument about the Fed not creating enough money to cover the cost of interest on debt; and, therefore, the world must forever be in debt. I knew right there that the writer did not read The Creature from Jekyll Island or, if he did, he forgot my analysis of this common myth. For those who are interested in that topic, it is found on pages 191-192 [excerpt of it is in the comments somewhere] of The Creature."

The excerpt to those pages is in the comments somewhere.

[Project Earth]

Peter Joseph Merola starts with this section by giving everyone an assignment by suggesting to start from scratch and saying what if there were no countries or whatever, you can clearly hear that he's stealing from Bucky Fuller from the way he is talking here. B. Fuller presented an identical assignment if anyone took the time to read this. Then you can see Jacque Fresco ripped the same method if you read the beginning of the eBOOK "Designing The Future".

But this pipedreaming just pushes you further away from reality instead of actually getting people to become real problem solvers. Day dreaming is not the answer. So he shits on religion, shits on politics [when RBE offers techno-politics] and prays to science as he gives everyone this assignment as if he's intelligent enough to pretend to be a teacher when he is known to be a pseudo intellectual.

Lets list the debates in science:

How did the twin towers fall on 9/11 ?
Is there overpopulation ?
Is there global warming ?
Is tidal wave energy good or bad ? That's right.

In Michael Ruppert's film, he says tidal energy isn't the way to go:



"The first and obvious problem with tidal energy is it has to be generated or collected near a coast line. Salt water is extremely corrosive"

-Michael Ruppert

You can't move forward if the science is in debate with so many issues. Then Peter Joseph Merola states that there has to be a global survey of the planets resources, but for many reasons listed shows that this can not be possible at all.

Even Peter Joseph Merola, the dictator has stated on his lecture on Social Pathology, he says "In a report coming out of the AFP, there's growing evidence that the current rate of our resource exploitation indeed has a time frame. The report states: "As it is, humanity each year uses resources equivalent to nearly one-and-a-half Earths to meet its needs" said the Global Footprint Network" and later on in this film saying two Earths in pushing to say that overpopulation is a problem when others disagree:



How can we need 2 earths to take care of the people on this planet when the over population debate hasn't deserved the attention it should be getting ? Did it jump to one and 1/2 to 2 Earths that quick ? We can only keep asking questions.

To sum it all up, for RBE to work, they will have to put in ideas into some central super computer without anyone sharing opinions and the world will be in better shape than what it is today according to Peter Joseph Merola. So Peter Joseph Merola comes to the conclusion that if you share common heritage instead of owning what's actually yours, then there would be global abundance. But this is a lie, this is just global sharing what's actually available, this is magical abundance rhetoric, magic isn't science. Abundance would be creating enough for everyone to have what is theirs as their own property, period.

The term Resource-Based Economy is introduced along with Jacque Fresco to say that he came up with the idea in the 1970′s. He is called a structural engineer when that alone isn't a deserved title for him. I find it funny because a clip of a Larry King interview gets played where Jacque Fresco is referred to someone as having a PHD when this is false.

As they continue on with the idea of a RBE, they suggest that their should be circular cities. The circular city concept is nothing new, it's an idea that is well known presented by Walt Disney and this video proves how much Jacque Fresco copied from Disney World:



But the circular city concept wouldn't work anyways.

Interesting to see Peter Joseph Merola, to say that we live in an information age where innovation increases when stating the opposite when he brought up the UK equality graphs, one of them pointing out the contradiction. More and more contradictions.

Then he presents someone that talks about Reprap, which is open-source 3D printers that RBOSE is working on themselves, a group of people that were actually doing things like he's suggesting starting from last year, but decides to ban/blacklist for standing up to them and addressing the problems with the cult when TZM decided not be 100% open-source. But as of now, they are no longer a splinter group, for they no longer support anything RBE related because they think it's nonsense now officially. All you have to do is see that the fact they use TS3 which is proprietary to know that they don't support OS. Also, there is a video that points out his hypocrisy when he suddenly goes against his principles. This will be recognized as lying fluff as former members of TZM will look at the Zeitgeist Movement, the cult in their action of deception.

Then Peter Joseph Merola with Roxanne Meadows suggest that there is "technological unemployment", but if this was true, we would have been losing jobs increasingly more and more throughout human history, but more jobs and occupations are always created.

Then Peter Joseph Merola says that people are not motivated by money when this can be pointed out as a lie as well:



According to the poverty statistics from the UN [United Nations] mentioned in this film, which he said in one of his radio shows is a disgrace, using their information, it says now 18,000 children die a day from poverty when Zeitgeist: Addendum said that 34,000 died a day. This shows that we are improving globally and TZM has done nothing towards this contributions since they shit on charity and do nothing for no one but say "this is patchwork" and "that is patchwork". These type of statements in reality just creates laziness and at the same time, the Zeitards are creating an illusion that they are actually doing something for humanity when they haven't done shit but pass out DVDs while believing that the DVDs are not the movement. They are and when these DVDs come out in Feb. for "Moving Forward", they'll be doing the same God damn thing. But when he's wrapping up to the conclusion, he says poverty is doubling, which confirms to me that he doesn't know what he's talking about. Even if that was true, TZM still hasn't done shit.

[Welcome To The Machine]

Interesting title considering the company that owns TZM is called "Gentle Machine Productions".

But this peak oil stuff is a myth that has went on for centuries:



That's it. It was the shortest section of the film.

[Ending]

People walk up to the police and stop, they look at each other, some business guy calls a police officer and the police officer drops his helmet and there's peace all of the sudden. People "peacefully protesting" all of the sudden dump all their money in the streets as if no one would pick that up and grab it all. Then Noel Hunter aka Tanktop throws his suitcase at the police officers because this is the non-violent thing for him to do and cash comes out, only one can wonder what type of job he has or had before TZM. People with briefcases of money like that are usually drug dealers or some shit. Then people look around and see all the countries protesting and supposedly the economy shuts down because Peter Joseph Merola was the director of this film and thinks that's how things should be or will occur. Then all of the sudden crime rate goes up, state of emergency is declared. As you can see, something horrible is being predicted here. Then all of the sudden there in the future cult society in a high-tech classroom, the future generation with regular patio chairs learning about how they supposedly succeeded with really cheesy music at the end with no transition plan. In one of the trailers too, it says "the transition begins":



Talk about false advertisement.

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Comments on anticultist blog

Tablet Magazine has a piece by Michelle Goldberg on the Zeitgeist Movement and what's wrong with it. Here's a link, fyi.
http://www.tabletmag.com/news-and-politics/57732/brave-new-world/
Sara Ivry said this on February 2, 2011 at 2:34 pm

Thank you Sara
anticultist said this on February 3, 2011 at 1:51 am

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Zeitgeist: Moving Forward [Review] (via The Zeitgeist Movement Examined) « Zeitgeist is a mind heist - venus project is a scam ? says:
01/26/2011 at 01:39
[...] The films starts off with this quote. "In a decaying society, art, if it is truthful, must also reflect decay, and unless it wants to break down with its social function, art must show the world as changable, and help to change it." -Ernest Fischer Interesting, when I pull this guy up, this is the first thing that pops up. "Life value analysis" my ass Dr. John McMurtry. The Zeitgeist Movement, the cult, even admits that it's communism with differ ... Read More [...]


Mario Brotha says:
01/28/2011 at 11:00
Another review:

http://www.freesteader.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=9693


zeitgeistresponds says:
01/27/2011 at 04:44
I like how you keep fabricating strawman arguments and misrepresenting the message along with the people that talk on the film. Nice to know your being a dishonest twat.


Mario Brotha says:
01/27/2011 at 06:29
*yawn*


zeitgeistresponds says:
01/27/2011 at 14:23
Well let me give you a small example of this shall I?

"This tries to put the message that there's no such thing as ownership and property, ringing in their usual rhetoric that they want all to be common heritage."

This is not the point of the actual speech nor is it being conveyed in this way. It is conveying that the current system we live in, being that gaining capital and acquisition based on money is just a game. All the so-called financial capital we gain really means nothing in the long run, and what does it matter when we die? We can't take any of it beyond our grave and what have we just achieved by being filthy rich? Nothing really... the entire message is to convey one question and that question was asked in the speech: What really matters in life? But apparently you missed this and decided to create a strawman.

Another example is when you claim that "Dr. Robert Sapolsky talks about nature vs. nurture comparing it to Pepsi and Coca Cola, Greeks and Trojans and so on. Dr. Sapolsky says to claim something that is genetic is dangerous when genetics has shown otherwise to be responsible for human nature in a sense." In fact this is a literal fabrication that really has no basis in the actual film. Here is what he is actually saying:

"And what you've got is this complete false dichotomy, built around nature as deterministic... and at the other end... we are social organisms and biology is for slime mold... and obviously both views a complete nonsense. What you see instead is, it is virtually impossible to understand how biology works outside the context of environment. One of the most dangerous crazy making yet widespread and potentially dangerous notions is 'oh that behavior is genetic.'"

As one can see quite clearly that Robert Sapolsky was not dismissing how biology plays a role in our development, in fact what he was saying was clearly in response to an age old claim that a behavior is genetic. In fact he spends from 10:30-11:17 explaining his position.

In fact this entire portion is to show that while there may very well be a genetic factor to violence, diseases, etc... it is ultimately the environment that actually causes the said genetic factor to even have an effect on the first place.

Another example of this is the quote from Eric you use where he states that "we come to a Dr. Gabor Maté who claims nothing, especially not ADHD or schizophrenia are genetic..." In fact is a fabricated strawman done for the purpose to simply distract. He actually clarifies that there are diseases that are genetically determined but they are few and far between. In fact he clarifies this by saying that "most complex conditions might have a predisposition that is a genetic component, but a predisposition is not the same as predetermination." I also find it interesting that you don't even bother to bring this up to begin with and yet you allow Eric's quote in saying that it is a "contradiction" to what he had said when in fact he is confusing predisposition with predetermination.

"...but the idea that genetics play no part at all is completely false," is an absolute lie. In fact the film itself actually sites a number of examples on how genetics do play a factor in human behavior but it has to be taken into account for what also the environment contributes to it. The example given was by James Gilligan where he stated that certain people will have a gene that will predispose the person to become extremely violent, but the genetic component will only matter if the person is subjected to extreme child abuse, and in fact he said that if this doesn't happen these people are even less violent than those without the gene. So of course is a genetic factor in behavior, in fact James Gilligan admits as much... this is an outright lie which anyone can see, yet you endorse it without any actual questioning.

I will give one last example of the lies for which you put forth:

"Maté goes on to list nearly every category of disease and how genetics don't play a part, even though he says that they create predispositions, which is a contradiction. He calls this contradiction "epigenetics". But he says to call anything "genetic" is a cop out. More of the same contradiction."

First of all, Eric is again confusing predispositions for predetermination. Secondly, his reference to Epigenetics was never ever in reference to genetic diseases. In fact the reference was simply to a study of suicide victims where they looked on the autopsy of the brains and found out that if a suicide victim had been abused as children it would cause a genetic effect in the brain. He then goes on to call this Epigenetics. This is an absolute lie on your part to begin with that has no relation whatsoever to the genetic predetermined diseases. Finally, the "genetic cop out" reference is after Maté reads a quote from the Yorker where it states that, "It's all in the genes: an explanation for the way things are that does not threaten the way things are. Why should someone feel unhappy or engage in antisocial behavior when that person is living in the freest and most prosperous on earth? It can't be the system! There must be a flaw in the wiring somewhere." In other words, he was calling the idea that behavior is completely and ultimately genetic (i.e. that behavior is human nature and there is no way to get rid of it) a cop out.

I can go on, and on, and on with this article on how you not only how you strawman but purposefully engage in dishonesty (i.e. quote mining, endorsing faulty argumentation's, ad hominem attacks, etc...), but I believe I made my point. This article is basically a disgrace to anyone who engages in critical thought and can actually look past the rhetoric you use.

Emil says:
01/27/2011 at 17:44
So much text and no substance...


Mario Brotha says:
01/27/2011 at 18:05
Zeitards want to change the world and none of them want to read or can't.


Emil says:
01/27/2011 at 21:59
I actually read it all.

Take a few minor statments, bend them and make them seem stupid or contradicting, put in a little ad hominem...

I think you could find lots of things to criticize, but this is quite ponitless and does'nt help anyone...

James Kush says:
01/28/2011 at 18:22
i know your feeling are hurt because your in a cult, but grow up


Mario Brotha says:
01/27/2011 at 18:28
To Devan Evans aka Voice of Retard:

"This is not the point of the actual speech nor is it being conveyed in this way."

Yes it is. Nice try Zeitard.

"All the so-called financial capital we gain really means nothing in the long run, and what does it matter when we die?"

Property is still property when we're alive and when we die, we like to pass it down to our next generation. Even at the end of the movie, it says the following:

"This is your world"
"This is our world"

So there's no difference. People also have wills too you know before they die.

"We can't take any of it beyond our grave and what have we just achieved by being filthy rich? Nothing really..."

This is true, Egyptian pharaohs use to get buried with all their possessions, but we're not like that today.

"What really matters in life?"

It should be about having what's yours and making sure everyone else has abundance of it, but Peter Joseph Merola fails to give that message and wants people to share "common heritage" without even knowing how many of what resources are there without a global survey of the Earth's resources. With that said, you're going to find people have more conflicts and wars quicker.

"In fact this is a literal fabrication that really has no basis in the actual film."

It does and I pull it right from the film.

"As one can see quite clearly that Robert Sapolsky was not dismissing how biology plays a role in our development, in fact what he was saying was clearly in response to an age old claim that a behavior is genetic."

My argument wasn't that human behavior is totally based on genetics if you fully read what I said in this blog. So you can't read. Thanks for pointing that out to everyone.

"...but the idea that genetics play no part at all is completely false," is an absolute lie."

No wonder why you're a Zeitard. It's not a lie when you admit that genetics do play a "part" which is what Eric said originally. More brain failures.

"Secondly, his reference to Epigenetics was never ever in reference to genetic diseases."

He did say that when "epigenetics" plays a part in changing genetics as you admitted. I can go on, and on, and on with this article on not only how dumb you are and purposefully engage into stupidity and being lazy to address the article fully, but I believe I made my point. Your comments are basically a disgrace to anyone who engages in critical thought and can actually look past the rhetoric you use.


zeitgeistresponds says:
01/27/2011 at 22:05
"Property is still property when we're alive and when we die, we like to pass it down to our next generation. So there's no difference. People also have wills too you know before they die."

This is nothing more than a red herring, what does it have to do with what I had originally said?

"This is true, Egyptian pharaohs use to get buried with all their possessions, but we're not like that today."

Are you seriously suggesting that we don't bury our dead with their possessions? There are people who still do that even today, hell people even make will's saying "this is what I want to be buried with."

"It should be about having what's yours and making sure everyone else has abundance of it, but Peter Joseph Merola fails to give that message and wants people to share "common heritage" without even knowing how many of what resources are there without a global survey of the Earth's resources. With that said, you're going to find people have more conflicts and wars quicker."

I find it funny that what you said in the beginning of this is exactly what TZM wants being to make sure everyone else has access to the necessities of life, yet here you seem to think knowing what resources are available world wide will actually lead to quicker wars. So what your saying is, is that we should not even bother trying to know what resources we have, we just keep assuming resources are scarce and base our economy on said assumption of scarcity without any actual physical data. This causes so much obvious problems that it's not even worth going over to begin with.

"It does and I pull it right from the film."

When I said fabrication, my reference was into the strawman fallacy that you set up. But apparently your not smart enough to even get when someone is referencing a specific logical fallacy so blatantly. I might as well just post up a neon sign saying the logical fallacy I'm alluding to considering you are being so obtuse.

"My argument wasn't that human behavior is totally based on genetics if you fully read what I said in this blog. So you can't read. Thanks for pointing that out to everyone."

This is a strawman, I never said anything about your position on human behavior. I was saying that what you doing with the statement that ""Robert Sapolsky talks about nature vs. nurture comparing it to Pepsi and Coca Cola, Greeks and Trojans and so on. Dr. Sapolsky says to claim something that is genetic is dangerous when genetics has shown otherwise to be responsible for human nature in a sense," is simply a strawman. Apparently you like to keep using the strawman fallacy when rebutting others.

"No wonder why you're a Zeitard. It's not a lie when you admit that genetics do play a "part" which is what Eric said originally. More brain failures."

Again another strawman, I never said anything about Eric's position; he was saying that the people in the film are completely dismissing the idea that genetics has any kind of effect on human behavior. I said that this statement is an absolute lie and I summed up just one example out of many in the film. Or did you miss this quote:

"The example given was by James Gilligan where he stated that certain people will have a gene that will predispose the person to become extremely violent, but the genetic component will only matter if the person is subjected to extreme child abuse, and in fact he said that if this doesn't happen these people are even less violent than those without the gene. So of course is a genetic factor in behavior, in fact James Gilligan admits as much... this is an outright lie which anyone can see, yet you endorse it without any actual questioning."

So apparently you are in love with the strawman fallacy so much, that you seem to use it all the fucking time. Nice job on being an intellectually dishonest twat.


Mario Brotha says:
01/27/2011 at 22:22
"This is nothing more than a red herring, what does it have to do with what I had originally said?"

Nothing you said had nothing valuable to address which is why my reply was short. The film does imply the notion that there is no such thing as property when that is idiotic and false.

"Are you seriously suggesting that we don't bury our dead with their possessions?"

The coffin would be the only property I can think of.

"There are people who still do that even today, hell people even make will's saying "this is what I want to be buried with."

Calm down Zeitard, people don't only get buried, they get cremated which is more common these days. But you're probably going to tell me that people want their possession cremated too which is unheard of. Besides, people's wills usually leave stuff of theirs to their family and friends. That doesn't sound selfish at all.

"I find it funny that what you said in the beginning of this is exactly what TZM wants being to make sure everyone else has access to the necessities of life, yet here you seem to think knowing what resources are available world wide will actually lead to quicker wars."

Incorrect Zeitard, what I said was to share without knowing what we have will cause such things. A brain failure again.

"So what your saying is, is that we should not even bother trying to know what resources we have, we just keep assuming resources are scarce and base our economy on said assumption of scarcity without any actual physical data."

Well Zeitards think that they can make anything abundant, which again is idiotic, so why would you need to do a global survey on the earth resources unless you were worried. To do it would show how scarce it is. Doing such a survey wouldn't matter to begin with if you're telling everyone we have abundant resources. But I catch the contradiction when at the next minute Zeitards fearmonger and say we're running out of resources.

"I was saying that what you doing with the statement that ""Robert Sapolsky talks about nature vs. nurture comparing it to Pepsi and Coca Cola, Greeks and Trojans and so on."

That was his introduction, again, right from the film. Apparently, you like being a Zeitard.

"I never said anything about Eric's position; he was saying that the people in the film are completely dismissing the idea that genetics has any kind of effect on human behavior."

You're repeating a lie. You're saying nothing new.

"Nice job on being an intellectually dishonest twat."

You bitch when I call you a Zeitard and you think you can call me twat ? Get a life Voice of Retard.

Baz says:
01/30/2011 at 07:20
Quoting a section from above:

"It does and I pull it right from the film.

"As one can see quite clearly that Robert Sapolsky was not dismissing how biology plays a role in our development, in fact what he was saying was clearly in response to an age old claim that a behavior is genetic."

My argument wasn't that human behavior is totally based on genetics if you fully read what I said in this blog. So you can't read. Thanks for pointing that out to everyone.

"...but the idea that genetics play no part at all is completely false," is an absolute lie."

No wonder why you're a Zeitard. It's not a lie when you admit that genetics do play a "part" which is what Eric said originally. More brain failures."

You don't appear to appreciate what is being said by zeitgeistresponds in her/his earlier reply. He/she is stating that it is a lie to suggest this film denies genetic predispositions. I'm not sure what you think was meant.

Your review and the film completely agree that the science of today believes environment to be the most significant factor, but that genes still have a role to play as a trigger. This is the main reason I don't understand your review at the start. It basically agrees with the films conclusions whilst stating the films view as being contradictory and erroneous. Which is either comic or tragic...


Gavin says:
01/27/2011 at 19:27
Just because you don't believe in the idea of the movement doesn't make it any less true. Just saying.


Mario Brotha says:
01/27/2011 at 19:44
I stated why RBE won't work through links and logic and reason, something that Devan Evans aka Voice of Retard lacks.


zeitgeistresponds says:
01/28/2011 at 10:09
Actually no, I just noted on several occasions in this article that you outright fabricate what is being said here. However, you obviously conceded several points by diverting into some obvious red herrings. I did not bother commenting on the rest, but I will be writing a response article later on (being once I get my new computer) showing why your statements are fabricated strawman and outright lies.

James Kush says:
01/28/2011 at 18:23
the "movement" is a product of "gentle machine productions LLC", so yeah, its a real product of a LLC


zeitgeistresponds says:
01/27/2011 at 21:38
"Yes it is. Nice try Zeitard."

Not only is this comment irrelevant, but calling me a name is not only childish, it exposes the amount of childish behavior you put forth.

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Mario Brotha says:
01/27/2011 at 21:49
*yawn again*

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James Kush says:
01/28/2011 at 18:24
your displaying cultish behavior at the moment

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Mario Brotha says:
01/27/2011 at 22:08
To Emil:

Whining about the article doesn't do anything.

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Emil says:
01/27/2011 at 22:32
Just trying to give a little constructive criticism to you sandbox.

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Mario Brotha says:
01/27/2011 at 22:40
I guess I'm suppose to be gentle since the Zeitgeist Movement is owned by Gentle Machine Productions.

praetorius says:
01/27/2011 at 22:27
There are more than a few stumbles in the film. One of them, is about how Israeli kibbutz have low incidences of violence and crime. I'm wondering if the surrounding palestinian areas subjected to the colonists violence is taken into account. Of course it isn't. Zeitgeist movies are about flooding the viewer with so much packed infopinion, you don't really have the time to reflect upon it. Until you get to the 'solution' part of the movie, which is very slow paced, because there's not an actual lot of content or factual information given; how would this work exactly? Would there be laws to decide what can and can't be made? Who would enforce those laws etc etc.
And yes, raising any doubt you might have about the possibility of such a society with a devotee will bring condescending 'you don't understand' 'not educated enough' 'not open-minded enough' answers. 'Baby steps' is also one stock answer you get, when you ask how to get to a RBE, but then those baby steps are not really explained in detail, or don't really make sense when they are attempted.

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Mario Brotha says:
01/28/2011 at 05:35
Here's another interesting review:

http://www.chrismartenson.com/forum/zeitgeist-moving-forward/51608?page=2#comment-100858

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zeitgeistresponds says:
01/27/2011 at 22:45
"Nothing you said had nothing valuable to address which is why my reply was short. The film does imply the notion that there is no such thing as property when that is idiotic and false."

The film never says anything about the notion that property doesn't exist. Property obviously exists, the question is whether or not property is inherently valid. This is the point of the reference, and the answer that TZM gives is no, it is not because it is an age old construct and there would be no reason for property in a world where people have access to things. This is another strawman on your part apparently.

"The coffin would be the only property I can think of."

How can someone who is dead own anything? That makes about as little sense as arguing that Biology proves intelligent design which it doesn't.

"Incorrect Zeitard, what I said was to share without knowing what we have will cause such things. A brain failure again."

Um... actually the whole premise of an RBE is to actually do a global survey of the world's resources first BEFORE we institute the cybernetic society. So where is the problem? Obviously the problem is of your own fabrication.

"That was his introduction, again, right from the film."

Apparently you need things spelled out for you in a step by step process since you like being obtuse.

"Robert Sapolsky talks about nature vs. nurture comparing it to Pepsi and Coca Cola, Greeks and Trojans and so on." This is actually a relevant portion that does sum up what he said, but then he equating this statement with the idea that Sapolsky somehow dismisses the idea that genes influence behavior. When in reality he is saying that the entire nature vs. nurture debate is a false dichotomy. Hence the reason why including it with the statement "something that is genetic is dangerous" is the actual strawman I was pointing to. I clearly pointed out how he was talking about the idea of behavior being genetic is dangerous. This being said, I said originally and at this point I am just repeating myself. But unless you address the argument I give, then your statements are about as valid as The Intelligent Design Institute is a credible organization (which it is not).

"You're repeating a lie. You're saying nothing new."

Your not addressing what I said, so your statement is invalid. Apparently you failed your college course in logic.

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Mario Brotha says:
01/27/2011 at 22:55
"The film never says anything about the notion that property doesn't exist."

That was the purpose of the introduction of Z:MF, that can't be denied and Peter Joseph Merola, the dictator was not clever in that introduction. Your repeated rhetoric doesn't prove anything.

"How can someone who is dead own anything?"

It's the only thing that's buried with them Zeitard. Someone can buy you something and it would be your property, like when family wanting to buy a coffin for their lost one.

"Um... actually the whole premise of an RBE is to actually do a global survey of the world's resources first BEFORE we institute the cybernetic society."

Um... You're a Zeitard. I've already explained twice why that's pointless to do to begin with and you're ignoring what I said. A Zeitard tactic obviously.

"When in reality he is saying that the entire nature vs. nurture debate is a false dichotomy."

Not true. Genetics plays a part rather Zeitards like it or not or else you're admitting to tabula rasa to be true.

"But unless you address the argument I give, then your statements are about as valid as The Intelligent Design Institute is a credible organization (which it is not)."

Name dropping institutes like Peter Joseph Merola drops in people with credentials doesn't automatically qualify RBE either, so there's no need to address your argument when you don't have one and just want to call me twat.

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tnnlvzn5 says:
05/20/2011 at 17:07
"Genetics plays a part rather Zeitards like it or not or else you're admitting to tabula rasa to be true." May I offer a you a comprehensive study, The China Study? It is written by a 4th generation dairy farmer from Oklahoma, turned doctor, turned nutritional scientist. Not just any nutritional scientist, but he decides which nutritional projects get funded and supported by our government. This study supports genetics do not play a part as is often believed by many when it comes to nutrition and health. The book can be found for $15 at most major bookstores and is the definitive modern day research on nutrition.

Another view supporting genetics do not play a part but only to the degree the environment influences its role is well written in Charles Darwin Theory of Evolution. A wonderful brief summary explaining exactly how this works on a cellular level can be found in National Geographics' tribute to Charles Darwin and the 250th anniversary in a 2006 issue.

In 2006 the Catholic Church also declared many of Charles Darwin's points on evolution to be true.

My point is we have three sources which normally do not support each other, all concluding the same thing. I believe this is worth taking a second look if I were you.

Mario Brotha says:
05/20/2011 at 19:47
I'll look into that, thanx for the suggestion.

Mario Brotha says:
01/28/2011 at 10:18
To Devan Evans aka Voice of Retard:

"Actually no"

Actually yes, I don't think you'll be saying anything new on your blog against mines, I even just did a mini-blog reviewing ZMF again. It's a waste of time on your part.

"I just noted on several occasions in this article that you outright fabricate what is being said here."

Bitching about how much of a Zeitard you are isn't anything new.

"However, you obviously conceded several points by diverting into some obvious red herrings."

I replied to each comment of yours.

"I did not bother commenting on the rest, but I will be writing a response article later on (being once I get my new computer)"

You need a new computer to make a blog ? lol


zeitgeistresponds says:
01/28/2011 at 10:26
"That was the purpose of the introduction of Z:MF"

First of all, this is a projection. You also ignored what I said about that the movement's position on property is that it is inherently an invalid concept and holds back society. Not only did you not ask my reasons for such which I would have gladly expounded upon, but you ignore it and simply continue your projection.

"It's the only thing that's buried with them Zeitard. Someone can buy you something and it would be your property, like when family wanting to buy a coffin for their lost one."

You didn't answer my question, how the hell does a dead person own anything? All you just did was repeat yourself and give forth a non sequitur. You gave no valid premise for your conclusion at all (in fact, there is no premise for your argument to begin with) and just stated your conclusion without even setting up your premises. Repeating yourself is not a valid form of argumentation.

"Um... You're a Zeitard. I've already explained twice why that's pointless to do to begin with and you're ignoring what I said. A Zeitard tactic obviously."

No... you didn't. I asked a simple question about your position which it obvious was a bit of a problem understanding where you were coming from. You clarified, I responded in due sense and now your being insulting. But you being insulting does not invalidate what I said, calling me a Zeitard as a way to dismiss my argument is tantamount to an ad hominem. Maybe you should start addressing what I instead of repeating yourself over and over again as if to incite some magical incantation that would somehow make me accept your criticisms as valid when in fact they are filled with nothing more but logical fallacies.

"Not true. Genetics plays a part rather Zeitards like it or not or else you're admitting to tabula rasa to be true."

Ugh... the strawman fallacy never gets old with you does it? I have never said that genetics do not play a roll, nor is that the position of TZM. In fact, in the understandings section of TZM's website it actually states that BOTH play a part.

"Name dropping institutes like Peter Joseph Merola drops in people with credentials doesn't automatically qualify RBE either, so there's no need to address your argument when you don't have one and just want to call me twat."

The purpose of me dropping the name of the Intelligent Design Institute was to draw an analogy, not make any serious argument. I was basically comparing your magical incantative chant to the antics of Kent Hovind, but apparently you are so dense that you cannot even recognize when I compare your form of argumentation (which is to ignore what I say and just repeat yourself) to a fringe pseudoscience organization.

Basically I am going to just leave you be. I have pointed out countless times how you constantly use logical fallacies in your response to me, and yet every single time you ignore it in order to keep going on with your rhetoric. Frankly I am tired of your antics, you just a pseudointellectual who has no real basis actually making any valid criticisms. The very fact that this blog has gone very much unnoticed by me for so long gives reason as to why, it hold no substance whatsoever. You fail logical discourse, you fail at every turn to provide valid premises, you fail at every turn to substantiate your claims and when caught in lies you keep being obtuse and try to shift the subject into a red herring, which is just you saying "I know I lied and I am caught, so I'm just going to divert attention over to this red herring that has nothing to do with what i said.


Mario Brotha says:
01/28/2011 at 10:44
"First of all, this is a projection."

He actually admits this in his latest radio show.

"You didn't answer my question, how the hell does a dead person own anything?"

You're fucking retarded. Please don't ask why I said that either, you should know how fucking dumb you are by now.

When you go to the grave and pay your respects to someone you lost, do you say to yourself "this is my tombstone" ?

"All you just did was repeat yourself and give forth a non sequitur."

I did answer your question and you repeated the question again.

"No... you didn't."

Yes I did, twice in replies I think [at least] and originally in this blog.

"I asked a simple question about your position which it obvious was a bit of a problem understanding where you were coming from."

That's because you didn't read it fully, you saw a review and bitched about it without really reading it, if you read it, you would have known my position.

"You clarified, I responded in due sense and now your being insulting."

Because you're a Zeitard.

"But you being insulting does not invalidate what I said, calling me a Zeitard as a way to dismiss my argument is tantamount to an ad hominem."

I addressed your argument and called you a Zeitard and you repeat the dead guy question because you're retarded.

"Maybe you should start addressing what I instead of repeating yourself over and over again as if to incite some magical incantation that would somehow make me accept your criticisms as valid when in fact they are filled with nothing more but logical fallacies."

So this whole blog is filled with logical fallacies and not making my arguments ? You got to be kidding me.

"I have never said that genetics do not play a roll, nor is that the position of TZM."

I said "or else". How did you miss that ? Your guilt from that statement does make me assume you are a tabula rasa fan.

"The purpose of me dropping the name of the Intelligent Design Institute was to draw an analogy, not make any serious argument."

Then you wasted my time.

"Basically I am going to just leave you be."

Thank God!

"The very fact that this blog has gone very much unnoticed by me for so long gives reason as to why, it hold no substance whatsoever."

Whatever, I'm getting hits like crazy and you left the most replies here. So stop whining in denial like a little bitch.

"You fail logical discourse, you fail at every turn to provide valid premises"

Bullshit. I don't think I lied anywhere and I'm very accurate when I call you a Zeitard because that's what you are.


oden says:
01/29/2011 at 03:15
Attacking Peter Joseph with ad hominems like "dictator" only makes you look childish and doesn't influence the potential of the venus project nor does it count as constructive criticism against Zeitgeist: Moving Forward.

Calling anyone who criticizes your article a "zeitard" doesn't void nor dismiss valid points against your article. If someone criticizes your article, you attack the criticism; not the person who presents it. Doing otherwise only shows that you can dish out criticism, but you can't take it if it's directed towards you.

Taking bits and pieces from the film and pretending that disproving parts automatically disproves the whole doesn't make it so.

You misrepresented numerous points of the movie by taking them out of context or twisting their meaning which means either you didn't understand the actual content, or you were purposely being disingenuous to dishonest. There is no shame in correcting yourself or admitting you made a mistake.

You have a right to your own opinion and criticisms, but realize that you don't have the right to be taken seriously unless they're valid.

Mario Brotha says:
01/29/2011 at 03:44
To oden aka Zeitard:

"Attacking Peter Joseph with ad hominems like "dictator" only makes you look childish and doesn't influence the potential of the venus project nor does it count as constructive criticism against Zeitgeist: Moving Forward."

He says "nature is a dictatorship" when proposing RBE, a scam, so when I call him a dictator, it's not only a joke, but I do so with a reason. Now you know the reason. There's nothing natural about a resource-based economy, it's based on magical robot worship:



"Calling anyone who criticizes your article a "zeitard" doesn't void nor dismiss valid points against your article."

But addressing their arguments and then calling them Zeitards is very effective which I have done.

"Taking bits and pieces from the film and pretending that disproving parts automatically disproves the whole doesn't make it so."

Bits ? I went over the four sections, the whole film. The length of this blog should alone tell you that I was very critical, with the links provided as well to show I have done research. But since you don't see this, you're a Zeitard like the rest of them.

"You misrepresented numerous points of the movie by taking them out of context or twisting their meaning which means either you didn't understand the actual content, or you were purposely being disingenuous to dishonest."

Bullshit. I pointed out the hypocrisy and inaccuracies in it. You just need to actually read it and stop having cult emotional knee jerk reactions. I was brutally honest. I thought fair too.

1. The film was well produced.
2. There was no misquotes like in his past films.
3. That's it.

"There is no shame in correcting yourself or admitting you made a mistake."

I don't see where I need to be corrected besides being told to stop saying "Zeitard".

"You have a right to your own opinion and criticisms, but realize that you don't have the right to be taken seriously unless they're valid."

All these comments tells me that this blog was taken very seriously.


Baz says:
01/29/2011 at 09:31
I'm trying to understand why someone could interpret the first portion of the film regarding the nature/nurture non-dichotomy. Personally, I think this review completely misrepresents the argument made by the various commentators. While TZM and Venus are not immune from critique, this review is baffling in the extreme.


Baz says:
01/29/2011 at 17:12
I'm trying to understand why someone could interpret the first portion of the film regarding the nature/nurture non-dichotomy (I meant to type) so differently from me. Personally, I think this review completely misrepresents the argument made by the various commentators. While TZM and Venus are not immune from critique, this review is baffling in the extreme.

Now I have some more time I'll expand:

The film clearly argues that being on either end of the nature/nurture debate is craziness and that both play a role. To say otherwise is to totally misrepresent the arguments made in that early sequence. It does argue that the environment in which those genes grow up in is more important, but not the sole cause.

I think calling the reviewer a 'twat' didn't help the debate.

I also think that the reviewer has decided before watching that the film is going to be wrong, despite the nods to accurate quotation. This is why the reviewer has had to say 'implied' ideas rather than talk about the explicit views set forth. This is disingenuous and needs to be called out.

The author is this review clearly thinks they are beyond error and cannot see a different interpretation. It's quite sad really to be so closed to other perspectives.

The weaknesses of Venus are obvious. There are no transitional steps outlined which is why the movie has to imagine a whole new start on a different Earth.

However, the dangers of remaining on our current path are obvious and denial of this has got worse over the last few years. Growth is merely an illusion based on prior contractions. People that don't stop growing die early.


Mario Brotha says:
01/29/2011 at 17:33
This was sourced and explained, it's only baffling that people aren't arguing my points fully.

"I also think that the reviewer has decided before watching that the film is going to be wrong, despite the nods to accurate quotation. This is why the reviewer has had to say 'implied' ideas rather than talk about the explicit views set forth. This is disingenuous and needs to be called out."

To point out someone is being subliminal about their points and exposing them is not "disingenuous" and I think that needs to be called out. I review this film fully along with someone else's notes that were very informative and researched as well going over each section of the film when it was leaked. This wasn't some random blog as you would love to believe.

"The author is this review clearly thinks they are beyond error and cannot see a different interpretation."

Cults can't, they say RBE is the only way and in the proposal says "nature is a dictatorship". TZM and TVP is "beyond error".

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Trust issues in paradise January.26.2011 X

http://web.archive.org/web/20110728033412/http://anticultist.wordpress.com/2011/01/26/trust-issues-in-paradise/


This is one I just revisted on youtube and is always one of my favourite videos, As well as the write up underneath the video is pretty accurately assessed, it is also superb in what it is telling psychologically.

Video stored here
http://web.archive.org/liveweb/http://www.4shared.com/video/jjbqhPBj/jacque_fresco_does_not_trust_p.html
Jacque Fresco Would Not Say He Trust Peter Joseph Merola From 2010
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxYAr-oQZ70

Trust issues in paradise - Jacque Fresco Will Not Say He Trusts Peter Joseph Merola

From: Anon15Allofus | 24 June 2010 | 482 views

This is a recent interview taken in London by Charlie from the Love Police and his team, on inspection Charlie pressed jacque for some answers and Jacque gave some curious answers and even more curious non answers.

Trust is something earnt, and it appears even after all Peter Joseph Merola has done for Jacque Fresco, promoting his work, promoting his videos, promoting his models, promoting his project he is still not worthy of giving his trust. He avoids this question by making out like scientists dont use the word trust. very pseudo scientific answer in the first place but also a very clever way of avoiding answering a yes or no question.

Funnily though even when pressed a second time he was given another chance to simply say yes, but again he denied answering further compounding the fact he will not state he trusts him. Then says people have varying levels of trust in certain areas, implying that he only trusts peter to do certain things and only those things.

Interestingly his examples are knowledge in science and personal skills, and he gives low scores on both, 10% and 30% respectively.

Any psychologist can see from his evasive behavior and body language he is not comfortable answering the question, and is not prepared to say yes. Which for someone who has benefited immensely from Peter Joseph Merola's promotion of him in monetary income should of been an easy one to answer, yes would of been useful because Jacque would be unheard of without Peter.

So Peters role as a person promoting Jacque to get him money is all that he is there for and is not to be trusted for anything else.

I have to say this one really gives away the underlying relationship Jacque Fresco and Peter Joseph Merola have with one another and how little respect and trust Fresco has for Merola.

Ah the trips down memory lane are funny sometimes, hope you enjoyed that post as much as I did. haha

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seriously? pj is just a parasite and an opportunist, jaques can't be so stupid as to miss this.
Jaques doesn't trust pj... not really any shocker there... would you trust pj if you were him? Obviously not.
No matter how many good things pj has done over all hes screwed jaques royally by mis representing him.
prometheuspan said this on January 26, 2011 at 9:25 pm | Reply
Yeah I dont care if he doesnt trust him, I just think its really funny how telling this video is and how it undermines Merolas value to Jacque for all the world to see.
anticultist said this on January 27, 2011 at 12:48 am | Reply
He actually awnsers perfectly acording to his personality. Jaques belives in science above everything else and he is right in that trust is't used in science. Either you have the facts and can prove it or you dont, a scientist doest trust you on your word alone. perhaps the reporter should have asked, do you think pj's effords have been good for the project. it was the reporter who actualli failed to refrase his question.
Håkan Sundberg said this on February 8, 2011 at 5:46 pm | Reply
Jacque answered perfectly from a psychology perspective...jacque is not that smart.
anticultist said this on February 10, 2011 at 11:07 am | Reply
Considering the Zeitgeist Movement is the activist arm of the Venus Project, I don't see why he could have just said "yes" by praising Dr. Peter Joseph some more and say that they are trying to use the scientific method for social concern. So, it's not the reporter's fault.
LoL
Yeah AC, that was one of my favorite videos too.
BranManFloMore said this on February 10, 2011 at 11:00 pm | Reply
[...] this cult to be the activist arm for them. This may explain why Jacque Fresco doesn't trust him and perhaps explains why he gets troll [...]
The Name Change Refusal « The Zeitgeist Movement Examined said this on March 4, 2011 at 8:56 am | Reply

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Who owns who is peter joseph.com • January 27, 2011 2uuu X 5

http://web.archive.org/web/20110814151311/http://anticultist.wordpress.com/2011/01/27/who-owns-who-is-peter-joseph-com/


I thought it would be interesting to see if the story peter told about a UK student studying in new york buying a website and making a documentary to talk about who peter joseph was, trying to prevent the damage of my who is peter jospeh series of blogs here might be interesting. [this blog: http://anticultist.wordpress.com/2010/08/10/who-is-peter-joseph-part-3-charles-robinson/ ]

Who owns whoispeterjoseph.com ?

well here you go this is another peter joseph from New York !! NOT the conspiracy theorist who makes zeitgeist [Thanks for pointing that out James]:

http://who.godaddy.com/WhoIs.aspx?domain=peterjoseph.com&prog_id=godaddy

Registrant:
PETER JOSEPH
**********
United States
Registered through: TTi Sales & Services, Inc.
Domain Name: PETERJOSEPH.COM
Created on: 18-Mar-00
Expires on: 18-Mar-13
Last Updated on: 18-Dec-07

Administrative Contact:
JOSEPH, PETER ************
******
*******

Technical Contact:
, customerservice@networksolutions.com
Network Solutions, LLC.
13200 Woodland Park Drive
Herndon, Virginia 20171-3025
United States
1-888-642-9675 Fax -- 571-434-4620

Domain servers in listed order:
NS1.GEODNS.NET
NS2.GEODNS.NET


According to James who just informed me the whoispeterjoseph.com website is a hidden registrant. So who owns it ?

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interesting!
James Kush said this on January 27, 2011 at 3:50 pm | Reply

Might be wrong website. I looked up whoispetermerola.com and I got this:
http://who.godaddy.com/WhoIs.aspx?domain=whoispeterjoseph.com&prog_id=godaddy
this info seems to be for this guy:
http://peterjoseph.com/
http://www.facebook.com/djpeterjoseph
It would be really nice to find out whom thewhois site is registered to.
James Kush said this on January 27, 2011 at 4:00 pm | Reply

sorry, i meant i looked up "whoispeterjoseph" and its hidden. the peterjoseph.com sight is some other guy i think.
James Kush said this on January 27, 2011 at 4:03 pm | Reply

whoispeterjoseph.com is the website that was made when I made my who is peter joseph blog.
The backstory for that was some guy from the UK had created the site and registered it and made a documentary about peter.
anticultist said this on January 27, 2011 at 4:30 pm | Reply

Its the wrong site tho: http://peterjoseph.com/
James Kush said this on January 27, 2011 at 4:45 pm | Reply

i think since its a "WHOIS" search, it took the "WHOIS" out of your criteria and only gave you "peterjoseph.com" which is some other dude.
James Kush said this on January 27, 2011 at 4:47 pm | Reply

oh hahahahaha yeah you are right...
hmmmmm that sucks. Theres two Peter Josephs in New York, I bet that dude fucking hates people thinking hes that conspiracy movie guy !!! haha
anticultist said this on January 27, 2011 at 11:39 pm | Reply

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http://web.archive.org/web/20110723221454/http://anticultist.wordpress.com/2011/02/13/peter-joseph-merola-cheats-edits-the-truth-to-make-his-point

Now tell me Peter Joseph Merola is not a charlatan who edits out peoples points to suit his own agenda.


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First of all, where does this prove zeitgeist is a cult? Second, Something is taken out of context, so what? It didn't change enything with the context at all compared to the long version, the conclusion is still, if you don't have money you better have friends or health, or you will die. Besides we "cultis" love to hear you ramble and shot your own logic full of holes, keep up the good work. =)
Håkan Sundberg said this on February 19, 2011 at 10:58 am | Reply

idiot. Where is the point made in this post that it makes you are a cult ? your opening sentence was the first gaping hole in your post. Then to say something is taken out of context...so what ?
haha you culties really do love making excuses up and hanging onto your leaders words.
anticultist said this on February 19, 2011 at 2:56 pm | Reply

there is nothing different, there is no cheating here, it just skips to the point. Stays the same: if you don't have money you better have friends or health
Anonymous said this on February 19, 2011 at 8:26 pm | Reply

Spoken like a true cultie
anticultist said this on February 19, 2011 at 10:18 pm | Reply

I watched the new film and I remember how they defined violence by saying poverty is an act of that. To me- violence is shooting someone, beating someone to death, blowing people up, poisoning them- something direct. The Zeitgeist Movement should be careful on how they define their terms with people, they may accidentally produce more irrational people. I wonder if Zeitgeisters think that this was an violent act on the man that couldn't pay his electricity bill. The electric company was doing their job, a tragedy indeed though- at the same time- I don't look at the employees doing their job as murderers. That could be argued about the military however. I know. For a senior though, you would assume a person would be fine assuming the person had some pension from retiring- then again- those are my assumptions. Even Milton Friedman admits to not knowing anything about this, so I can see how it's wrong to even quote him after that in any way. I would make even another assumption that the guy that was struggling at least knew about his electricity being shutdown soon with warning and had opportunity to reach out to his family or friends to help him out through loans or take him in or put him in a senior home. I know, senior homes suck but it's better than not having any electricity. It makes you wonder if he had any family and friends or if his family and friends were that cold to him. Apparently he was since he seem to have died that way... All I know is, if someone I knew called me and said they were struggling then asked if they could live with me for awhile- I would probably they take them in while helping them find a better place. I've been there and done that, I know I would share empathy and helped out in that way before. A lot of thoughts run through my head about this.
BranManFloMore said this on February 21, 2011 at 3:07 am | Reply

To me it sounds like the typical scapegoating zeitgeisters do routinely, they look for something someone has said that appears on the surface to be malicious intent. They then go about utilising this apparent statement to validate their stance and justify their 'cause'. Ironicly you dont see any of the zeitgeisters doing anything to fund people of lesser income to pay their electric bills, neither do you see any of the zeitgeisters setting up organised practices to alleviate these issues. This makes the zeitgeisters as much responsible for the old mans welfare by doing nothing about it as anyone else they are attempting to smear.
Now what you do see is them taking a persons statements completely out of context, ignoring the points he said earlier where he has no information to base a correct conclusion as to what happened truthfully, and then using his later hypothetical assumptions as if those are the only things he said.
Zeitgeisters are piss poor when it comes to listening to what people actually say, the only method of translation they actually use is emotional appeal and biased judgemental opinion.
anticultist said this on February 21, 2011 at 3:40 pm | Reply

And how much money have you given to charity to help people pay their electric bills hypocrite? If we wasted all of our money trying to fix the problem without fixing the root cause of the problem, in reality we are doing nothing, we are wasting resources because we did not think critically enough to find the real solution. This is what you are suggesting, instead of fixing the leaky pipe under the sink, you want to keep pumping the water out of the flooded kitchen, that is doing the same thing and expecting a different result, and that is the definition of insanity.
gavin said this on March 17, 2011 at 1:35 am

I have actually given my own money to people worse off than me even though I myself was in no excellent financial situation. Of course this is not important to a piece of turd like you who would rather ignore the human sacrifices and aid of your fellow human beings current needs, and instead play all knowing about how to fix the worlds problems based off some old farts cartoon drawings and unsubstantiated claims.
Go ahead gavin keep digging yourself a big hole.
anticultist said this on April 12, 2011 at 6:12 pm

Hi Anticultist, let's ask ourselves if the editing of the clip changed the intention of the subject. But first.... Friedman gives his thoughts on a case presented to him by seeking out a responsible agent. Thus, locate the responsible agent and you locate the root cause of the issue. In that particular example the electricity company is vindicated. His hypothetical example of what might occur should x, y and z happen is not relevant. In fact the question put to him wasn't concerned with 'responsibility' but reframing the question in this way can be a helpful technique in reinforcing one's main points (I'm afraid I don't know what these main points are as the above clip seems to be just a short segment of a longer talk/ gathering/ q&a session/ whatever). The question put to the economist and it's a question that zeitgeist asks is concerned with morality. Is something (morally) right? Or not? Or does it even matter? Yes, the man defaulted on payments. Yes, that constituted a breach of contract. Yes, the consequence of this is that the service is withdrawn. No, the electricity company was not aware that doing x would cause y. Even if they were aware that this man would die would that obligate them to take a different action. If so, what are the criteria and what are the multitude of ifs, buts and whens, all the countless myriad exceptions that can be invented and claimed by non-payers? In the end, the cause of death on the death certificate was hardly 'no electricity'. Of course the utility companies are necessary. Of course they're not responsible. Perhaps Freidman sensed that the young man asking the question was frustrated about the man's death 'at the hands of the electricity company' and that it could have been avoided had the service not been withdrawn, and in an attempt to shed some light on it chose to refocus the man's attention on culpability, by assessing the blameworthiness of each agent involved. He even does away with the notion that the company itself constitutes an agent by compartmentalising it into shareholders/ employees etc. And based on this line of reasoning it quickly becomes clear that the company isn't responsible. Well then what about the people who choose to invest in a company for the sake of making a profit, or the employees who work for the company for the sake of earning wages -are they responsible? Hardly. However, they could find out, prior to investing/prior to working there what line of action the company would most likely take given a particular scenario (much like prospective employees are asked in job interviews) and then base their decision on that information. Given enough momentum, the company directors could give more consideration to the consequences of withdrawing their service from customers experiencing financial difficulties. BTW Friedman could have suggested that the dead man when choosing the electricity company might have asked "What happens if I can't make a payment and my account goes into arrears?" And chose a company on the basis of which one was the most ethical. Perhaps he did. We don't know. It's a moot point anyway so let's not waste time on it.
So back to my point... the question in the clip was neatly sidestepped. How easy is it to answer the question that was asked? Not very easy at all. Listen to it again (at 0:53/ 0:54) The question is about a thing being 'right', morally right. Not easily answered. Notice how, without hesitation, Friedman begins to answer the question by immediately reframing it. It's amusing, but revealing, that he asks the audience @ 2:18 "Ye know... why do ya -tell me -why do ya assume I'm always gonna give the wrong answer?" The zeitgeist film asks many questions, amongst them, the 'rightness' of our economic choices. It's an old question. Here, it's a philosophical question being put to an economist. He's unable to answer it. To do so would be to quickly reveal the inherent flaws, not only in his life's work but in the entire economic system in itself. Perhaps a better way of phrasing the question may have been, "Is it morally right that a person may come to harm or worse (death) due to becoming money-deficient?" Or to contract the question's value and meaning into a more fundamental question, "Is the monetary system morally right?" Zeitgeist asks this type of question. I think a lot more of us should ask these types of questions.
Now to address your analysis of the clip. Your title: 'Peter Joseph Merola cheats & edits the truth to make his point" is it accurate? The original clip is longer, longer than your version too. Editors edit, they construct meanings, they also edit because of time constraints, they also edit because of per-second royalties. In this clip Friedman made several points -PJM only needed that particular point to make his point -he didn't need the other points as they weren't relevant, you've got to be able to see that he actually distilled Friedman's points by selecting his strongest one. He actually did Friedman a favour! The rest of his points were not only weak and insipid, ideologically (for PJM's usage) they were simply surplus to requirements. Therefore, in my opinion, he didn't take Friedman out of context. Had Friedman shut his effusive mouth sooner and stopped himself going in the wrong direction, PJM (or whoever else might require the use of the clip) wouldn't need to compact it. Just because the 'answer' he gave was originally longer than PJM presented it to be, doesn't mean the meaning was lost. It actually retained its context faithfully.
And the sub-title: 'Now tell me Peter Joseph Merola is not a charlatan who edits out peoples points to suit his own agenda' I can't, I don't know him. I don't know you either. But I can say that he does edit people's points to suit his own agenda. That's the whole idea -you can't make a point in a documentary without being selective. Or a film. Or a book. Or art. Or anything. Meanings are constructed. Deeper meanings that aren't obvious at first are later revealed by the artist or filmmaker or whoever. The skill lies in interfering as little as possible with the source material. And in my opinion this wasn't interfered with. It was condensed for clarity (the young man asked a straightforward enough question, but Friedman didn't give a straightforward answer -if you're looking for a charlatan taking things out of context look in Friedman's direction).
There's a growing trend on the internet at the moment that attempts to debunk the Venus Project and the Zeitgeist movement as the sinister NWO in disguise (essentially) and why they can't be trusted. Just be careful not to run with the sheep. No matter how trendy their coats. There are very pertinent questions raised by zeitgeist. It's silly to abandon them because the totalitarian agenda of a tiny few elite 'resembles' the Venus Project designs. The resemblance is purely cosmetic and the efforts to mush one side in with the other side as if 'they're all on the same side' fails to withstand even the most rudimentary analysis. They amount to nothing more than trumped up charges -the rapid nature of information dispersion around the internet doesn't add any weight to these charges, just means more people hear of them in less time.
Jacques Fresco has indeed revolutionised the 'look and feel' of a modern city and insists that we use the latest developments in technology to reduce the need for mankind to conduct obsolete tasks. The internal combustion engine has been obsolete for going on 80 years. Are a mechanic's designs for a better functioning car requiring little or no fuel and little or no human management to be regarded with equal suspicion and derision?
PJM on the other hand assesses an aspect of the evolution of belief systems before exploring 21st Century geo-political machinations and finally explaining the monetary system in particular the implementation of a new kind of banking system, the fractional reserve concept. Like any documentary filmmaker he constructs new meanings out of existing concepts. He re-introduces Jacques Fresco. Why? Because Fresco's points bolster and reinforce his own. It just so happens that because Fresco was so prodigious he gave life to PJM's ideas. He has been so productive for so many years he's accumulated tons of 'cool' things (the models and miniatures etc) They're mutually complementary. Fresco figured his shit out decades ago. PJM figured out his shit years ago. So have millions of others over the decades -just none who found themselves in a real life tipping point as they did. Remember I said that PJM re-introduced Fresco? So obviously Fresco's been around a while now at this stage. What about other people who promoted his work and ideology? Is Larry King an illuminati puppet because he first showcased Fresco in the 70s -on no less than 3 occasions? Why is no-one asking questions about that? Who decides what's up for examination and what's not? This Zeitgeist backlash has all the hallmarks of an online meme in a way. It darts around the net, snowballing followers, each adding to the momentum until it has a life of its own. There may well be excellent points in this new zeitgeist scrutiny especially in the areas of astrotheology and comparative religious studies but let's not miss the wood for the trees here. Fresco's cities are amazing but they raise profound questions that I wish more people asked such as "What about the psycho-geography of this new landscape -what would happen to the 'New Yorkness' of New York for example or the charming magic felt wandering through the back streets of Dubrovnik and how our memories and sense of self might be affected by a white and pristine mega-city?" but there's no need to completely abandon Fresco's vision because of it. Likewise with PJM and Zeitgeist. Should we throw the baby out with the bathwater? Or should we take the 'scientific method' approach, ye know, refine it, make it better (but still use it). Just because PJM coloured outside the lines here and there doesn't mean that the picture he paints shouldn't be admired.
As for Friedman, he was pretty much just born when a cartel of international bankers incorporated a company to control the economy, so he grew up in this system and dedicated his life to making it better for everyone (which I won't go into here). He knew all about this company and how they operated and was against them, apparently. To what degree was he against it I'm not sure. He was also, at the stage in his life we see him here in this clip, big into the idea of what some people call 'zero government libertarianism' or what other people call anarchism. So Friedman supported the idea of individual freedom like no other (Chomsky's one of the few mainstream academics who believe in this too). So given all the available footage of Friedman where he reveals these beliefs, why was it that PJM chose to use that particular clip... well, it fits in nicely with the point he's trying to make in that part of the narrative of course. But there are lots more clips where Friedman makes points that completely back up PJM's hypothesis. I wonder had PJM used any of those in Zeitgeist, would Friedman be re-interpreted as an economic logician working for the Illuminati by bloggers like you? Just saying! Anyway, Peace, man. Keep thinking critically! ;-)
Paul said this on April 16, 2011 at 7:42 pm | Reply

Hi Paul
I don't ever mention the Illuminati in my blogs, nor did I in this one. I do not believe in the Iluminatti, nor do I believe in conspiratorial belief systems which Zeitgeisters themselves profess in abundance on their forum, and PJM himself expounded multiple times in all his movies and to this very day still believes to be true.
You say that you wished people would discuss if the feel of cities and the uniqueness/individuality of a certain city or culture would be lost because of frescos homogenous design, well in fact I have on numerous occasions here and when I was an active user of their forum I used to bring these kind of points up persistantly.
I do not run with packs, I have been online critiquing TVP/TZM for long over a year online with this blog, but I have been doing it a year before that on their own forum before they started shutting contradictory thinking off. Which I disagreed with completely so I left them to run their forum how they wanted and put all my concerns on this blog.
About your comments regarding Friedman and Merola editing and answering, well you do make some valid counter points about pricing for clips and artistic editing, but the point I am making is not that, it is more about bias loading to fit an agenda and claims that do not actually represent matters truthfully or hold any merit. You may well think he has left Friedmans point in tact but thats not the matter at hand, the matter at hand is that somehow Friedman is culpable and even disingenuous and perhaps even a gatekeeper of some invisible cabal [according to Zeitards], which I do not prescribe to or agree with at all. Nor for that matter do I think this of Fresco or Merola. Though I do think Fresco is a conman who is after peoples money and has no intention of releasing any technical documents or designs for any cities, because he quite frankly does not own any that would stand up to scrutiny.
I am not a Conspiracy theorist unlike a lot of other detractors of the movement, and in fact the movement itself is comprised of Conspiracy theorists more than I would be even keen to associate myself with too.
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Jacque Fresco states Peter Joseph Merola & TZM do not understand The Venus Project April 14, 2011

http://web.archive.org/web/20121024034031/http://anticultist.wordpress.com/2011/04/14/jacque-fresco-states-peter-joseph-merola-tzm-do-not-understand-the-venus-project/

In this video Jacque Fresco lays it on the line that Peter J Merola has no idea about the Venus Project or even has a plan. The vitriol and contempt in his emotional outburst can clearly be seen, the feeling here is there is a struggle for dominance. It seems jacque is publicly denouncing Peter Merolas knowledge to the TZM fanboys that pay to visit and speak with Jacque, you can even sense the uneasiness and unexpectedness of his response to the people there.

So next time Peter Merola claims authority or higher knowledge of the topic than any of you, just post him a link to this blog and say hey Peter even Jacque thinks you and your fanboys dont know squat about the topic.

Here is a visual descriptor for how Fresco's actual behaviour is concerning TZM...



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hahahahaha:

So, in consideration of this, with respect to Jacque - I will no longer be actively publicly representing TZM or TVP.
I could address his hasty statements directly, but I am not going to do that to myself as it's simply sad.
This falls on the heels of a level of personal exhaustion and general life frustration which requires personal time anyway.
I will continue to orient a radio show rotation of new speakers, content and help with event days and the many other project based issues in the background... I will also continue to personally finance the global movement's work...but I want everyone to know that I am removing myself as a forefront spokesman... a figure I never wanted to be, in fact. A position which has neg affected my personal and mental health a great deal, to be frank.
So, this is good grounds to see how many out there can lift themselves to high levels of communication. I have also informed TVP that all major press will be turned over to them so they can make sure "their" message is "accurate"... as apparently mine isn't.
At the end of the day, let it be known that I don't care about TZM or TVP or "Jacque Fresco" or "Peter Joseph" as entities to be perpetuated.
I care about a new, working social system only and I will not stop with that pursuit in the long run.
~peter

http://www2.thezeitgeistmovement.com/joomla/index.php?option=com_kunena&func=view&catid=229&id=332402&limit=10&limitstart=10&Itemid=100114#332556
wooohooo a public break up
anticultist said this on April 15, 2011 at 1:43 am | Reply


Also take a read of this reply from Tanktop:
http://www.thezeitgeistmovement.com/joomla/index.php?option=com_kunena&func=view&catid=3&id=332402&limit=10&limitstart=90&Itemid=100114#332749

Looking at the definition of activism, it's apparent what the role of The Zeitgeist Movement should be. And it's apparent that it's NOT drawing up blueprints, building cities, etc. It is simply presenting the ideas to those people who CAN do such things, and motivating them to get involved.
I have followed Peter's work pretty closely, and I can honestly say that he has gone out of his way to cite Jacque as the source for his statements. Any claim that he is somehow not doing that is frankly bullshit. Plain and simple, it's just not true.
As an activist, Peter's main role, and the role of the movement, is to publicize and promote, in various ways, the ideas behind The Venus Project. Jacque's statement somewhat discredits Peter in that role, because it implies that somehow he is either uninformed, or is misrepresenting the ideas. Indeed, it discredits all of us.
In the field of science, I reject the notion that the source of an invention is important. I certainly would not talk to Newton if I wanted to know more about gravity- I would find someone contemporary. Gravity is gravity, and it pulls you down whether you know the source or not. The claims made by Andrew are credentialism, in a way. Whether or not Jacque's plans will work has nothing to do with the number of years he has spent on them- especially in light of the fact that many of them are untested. They will pass or fail just as all ideas and science do. And the key to whether or not the core concepts are falsifiable is more social science than it is engineering. As Jacque often says, if we built a city today, people in it would not know how to operate.
For Andrew to say "i Advocate TVP because thats where we all learned this stuff from either directly or indirectly, including PJ" is really a startling statement. I advocate TVP because I think that the core ideas presented comprise a reasonable proposed solution to the problems we face today, and because I think that they can be built experimentally, tested, verified, and improved." I care nothing about where they came from. I give credit, because that's deserved, but I place no added validity on the ideas because they came from Jacque, and anyone who does is NOT BEHAVING LIKE A SCIENTIST. I advovate TZM because I think that it is an effective tool for conveying these ideas, and nothing more.
History is rife with examples of brilliant scientists who were not good at promoting their ideas. I think it's apparent that The Venus Project does not value the role of activism, and does not respect the skills of those involved in it. It seems that unless someone is generating blueprints, they are not doing anything of value. But if no one ever sees the blueprints, what good are they? Activism is not a science. It's an art. In this case, the art is directing people to the science, and in so doing, it will undoubtedly interest many people who do not have strong scientific backgrounds. It's not our job here to get these people involved in the science- indeed many of them probably can never be involved, in our current system. Nevertheless, the fact that they are exposed to the idea is VERY IMPORTANT. Without that, The Venus Project will never be realized, because people have to understand the fundamental concepts before there is a critical mass.
Andrew, Jacque, and others need to ask themselves this: if Jacque tomorrow wrote a mathematical proof that a resource based economy would work better than a market system (this is hypothetical), would anything change? Do the best scientific methods rise to the top in our current system? If not, what has to be done to change that? In all of The Venus Project's phase 1 work, which project has exposed the most people to the ideas? How many people watched Future by Design prior to Zeitgeist Addendum?
Jacque has had a long time to build teams of scientists to begin work on his designs. But to a great extent, people have not been responding in the numbers needed. That may be why he and Roxanne contacted Peter to promote their project, after the original Zeitgeist Movie. And when Peter made the second movie, I think it's safe to say that his efforts were extremely successful. That's activism. Who then is responsible for the work in phase 3? Activists?
The Venus Project needs to own up to their responsibility for organizing the scientific work. TZM has undoubtedly been delivering people to their doorstep, literally. For them to complain that somehow TZM is not doing the science is a big misunderstanding of the role of activists.
If you want a final example of why what Jacque said was out of line, try turning it around. What if Peter said that Jacque was not giving him enough credit for his activism? What if he said that it was not valid to work with people, and use their work (such as translations) without acknowledging their source? Are the translations done by the TZM volunteers less valid if they are not cited? If so, why?
Peter has made some efforts to start scientific teams (we have project teams with fairly large number of members). Time and time again, the members of these teams come to me with comments such as "we can't get information from The Venus Project on what we should be doing." The standard response is to say that they were told they needed to come to Venus. Seriously, do they think they will build a new planetary system by tutoring scientists one at a time in Venus? If they want things to happen, they need to change this attitude. Jacque and Roxanne need to make public more of the designs, and set up systems where people can learn about them without having to come to Venus or buy Jacque's DVDs. If they can't do that, then someone else will, because it's imperative that we make progress before it's too late.

Andrew said:
If the source is available , always go to the source, otherwise what you end up with wont be what was designed, and if it fails youll have only yourselves to blame for being too egotistical to accept that a man thas worked 70 years of his life on this direction might know more about it than you after watching a video and reading a couple of books.

I reject this out of hand. Science cannot work that way. A scientist presents results, then others repeat the experiments, or design their own variations, in their own way. This step is critical, and indeed without it you are not controlling for variables introduced by unique aspects of the original design. If it fails, no one may be to blame- the hypothesis is shown to be false.
Finally, I think that there is a big disconnect here between what is science, and what is a theoretical construct in Jacque's mind. If we build something, and it fails, all we prove is that our design did not work. "The Venus Project" as a virtual world cannot be built as it exists in Jacque's mind. It has to be built by others why understand the concepts and adapt them to their needs. If it fails or succeeds, it will not be because Jacque was right or wrong. I understand the concerns that people may "steal" the ideas, and exploit them commercially, and that people may execute them poorly, and then discredit them. But these are risks they need to take if they want people globally to test their ideas. And I understand their frustration with people from TZM who don't see to understand the science. But these are things they will need to tolerate if they want their ideas promoted to the public at large.
I'll conclude with this- if TZM doesn't understand VP, then Jacque doesn't understand TZM.

He is saying things about the lack of science being evident in TVP/TZM , lack of blueprints, Jacques lack of willingness to work, Jacques abuse of people by making them pay to go see them on TVP land which people like myself and others were complaining about all those years ago, and we continued to say here on the blog and got shit for doing so...Now apparently it takes Jacque to call them all out at being useless for them to finally runderstand a few realities.
Also it is interesting that they can say the very same things we have and be congratulated and patted on the back now for it by members, it goes to show that them being offended and insulted by their guru was necessary for them to get some home truths, next up they need to figure out they've been manipulated for money and they will have finally gotten it.
TZM really are a bunch of slow witted mental handicaps.
anticultist said this on April 15, 2011 at 4:45 pm | Reply


Finally peter merola has another public complaint about it, it seems venus project are accusing peter of setting up a personality cult haha:

K.
People- I'm not "going anywhere" in effect nor is The Zeitgeist Movement. The Zeitgeist Movement has existed to help TVP. If TVP doesnt want our help, we adapt.
Nothing Changes in the end.
My interest to remove myself from the forefront is not a reaction to Jacques' statements alone for I have been trying to get that done for a while; many who give talks & coordinate know I have been trying to do this for about a year. This is why I announced two weeks ago that the radio show would no longer be the "Peter Joseph..." but "ZM Global" for many others to talk. I also almost didn't attend Zday London for that reason as well.
Contrary to this idea of removing "hero" worship and the importance of not having a "cult of personality" notion... is the rhetoric now coming from TVP camp. Well, my feelings aside, their approach to make themselves the "source" of everything and demand credit will only backfire.
Also, TZM has been doing a DAMN good job of promoting this direction, with likely the largest mass following for such a thing in history, given the short time frame we have been in existence. So please don't let Fresco's comment make you feel otherwise.
At any rate, everyone please stop speculating on this and move forward!
~p
ps: and thanks for the supportive comments. I give Jacque the benefit of the doubt, of course, and think he is simply going through a strange time with perhaps some negative influences that are reducing his objectivity with poor information.

http://www.thezeitgeistmovement.com/joomla/index.php?option=com_kunena&func=view&catid=3&id=332402&limit=10&limitstart=100&Itemid=100114#332807
anticultist said this on April 16, 2011 at 10:41 am | Reply



I find interesting that last bit, PJ alludes to whom being the negative influence? Roxanne? Very interesting if so.
biophily said this on April 19, 2011 at 9:49 pm | Reply

I would not want to speculate about that, it is not something I am knowledgable on, but there are some people who could quite easily have been elements in this whole thing who are communicating with Jacque.
anticultist said this on April 20, 2011 at 6:44 pm

In the end, the words change but the song remains the same.
After listening to the audio of Roxanne Meadows (I haven't been able to view Jacque Fresco's remarks in video form yet) the interests of TVP is the only thing she is concerned about and has absolutely ZERO interest in reaching any type of compromise or solidarity with the TZM. If it were not for TZM no one would even know the Venus Project existed. On the other hand, I like Peter but I can totally see how some people might be off put by him and think he is a condescending and arrogant jerk. I don't know if he tried to control the business of TVP, but if he did I can totally overstand where TVP is coming from to a certain degree.
So, when it all comes out in the wash its the same ol' Shakespearian story of ego, distrust, deception & betrayal played out within the context of a "resource based economy."
Peter Joseph, Jacque Fresco & Roxanne Meadows, after having campaigned against the concept of private ownership and money have divided the movement straight down the middle based on both.
The proper response to all of this should be obvious, at least when it comes to the mainstream public on the outskirts of this fiasco. Until all parties work out their differences and work work together as a cohesive movement they should in no way shape or form expect individuals or, and this is laughable they would even consider it, countries to support the concept of a resource based economy.
Mr. Holipsism said this on April 21, 2011 at 12:08 pm | Reply

Not that I care what you think, nor do I believe anyone person has all the answers. Whether it be Merola or Fresco. My question is: Why are you trying to discredit some people who are TRYING to do something about the problems? Trying to come up with solutions. Are you so happy with the status quo?
SJJ -
SJJ said this on July 25, 2011 at 10:35 pm | Reply

You asked two questions, not one. But here are my answers::
I am discrediting a movement of failures and rejects, and a concept that has proven ignorant to reality upon closer inspection.
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anticultist said this on October 22, 2011 at 1:45 pm | Reply

It amuses me how everyone is to blame for Jacque Fresco not being able to bring to reality any of his projects.
Even at his interview with Larry king in 1974 he already had the very same discourse:
"I have all this wonderfull ideas and for this reason or the other people who can make them become reality just screw it." You see this pattern repeated over and over again.
Are all his projects so big that we can only try them putting all the resources on earth at JF's service? Can he just try something smaller in his villa?
Oh yes, he did. How come nobody's buying his ideas then?
If this buildings are so advanced, how come Brad pitt and David Beckham are not getting one? If they are so cost-efficient how come no NGO is taking this to Africa or South america?
Among all the things JF produces this is what he sells: DVD's, prints, and Books. Do you know why? Cause the only thing his work has to offer is the amusement of indulging yourself in mental masturbation about how life would be if we were living in JF's utopia.
JF is just a science-fiction writer with good sketching skills. And his drawings are all he is leaving to humanity.
No usefull ideas. Sorry. Try somewhere else.
David Zhang said this on November 5, 2011 at 2:17 pm | Reply

Exactly
anticultist said this on November 15, 2011 at 7:44 am | Reply

It's future by design the video i was thinking of, not the interview with larry king
David Zhang said this on November 7, 2011 at 8:22 pm | Reply

This was uploaded yesterday:
The Venus Project is still talking shit about the Zeitgeist Movement.
Mario Brotha said this on November 15, 2011 at 5:29 pm | Reply

fucking propaganda for the venus project by a frescobot.
Thankfully I have covered the hypocrisy of TVP as well as TZM here on this blog site.
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REPORT THE VENUS PROJECT: Florida Attorney General Fraud Hotline: 866-966-7226 Florida Office of Financial Regulation Tel: 850 410-9500 Florida IRS: 850 942-8995 Request Audit REQUEST YOUR MONEY BACK AND AN AUDIT BE SURE TO CLARIFY YOU ARE CALLING REGARDING "FUTURE BY DESIGN" a sub name of Venus Project If you intend to apply for 501c3 status from the IRS, you must form your business for one of the following purposes: scientific, religious, chari ... Read More

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TVP & TZM do not do charity nor have they ever done it April 17, 2011 2uuuuuuuuuuu X 13

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Buzzword from TVP/TZM leaders and members:

Charity is patchwork

Let us look at points about TZM & TVP in video format here first:



And here:

The Venus Project Only Does Charity For Itself
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LrryMtmOP8


Now many active members from their forum including chapter leaders have passed through this blog over the years and tried to convince me they are a charitable and altruistic group, Possibly more so than any other critics I have been given my share of attacks on my intentions and lack of answers to lifes problems, in fact even to the point of asking me or accusing me of doing nothing. Interestingly though I have actually donated money to ex members of Zeitgeist who could not even pay their own food bills [they know who they are so no names are necessary here], I have given away free products to the Japan relief that can be sold which I have created, and yes to generate a constant sellable profit that all goes to aid people there, yet somehow I am doing nothing to help people ?

Another blogger on here was disgusted at how when the Haiti devastation occurred TZM forum members/leaders instead of sending aid, technology, charity, workers to help in the devastation there took it upon themselves to actually say these type of things :

'this disaster is a gift for TZM, we could go over there and distribute our propaganda to the people there and get them involved in the movement'.

A ten page discussion can be seen on their forum entitled: Haitian Earthquake: Tragedy or Opportunity?

http://www2.thezeitgeistmovement.com/joomla/index.php?option=com_kunena&func=view&catid=272&id=218190&Itemid=100114

Yes because people starving to death really need to be rid of the monetary system and have no income, housing, food, energy. This blogger even commented on the forums thread at how despicable it was, and went about giving her money and aid to Haiti herself. As can be seen the trend for these things is fairly typical among Zeitgeist members and their leadership and should be well observed and critiqued.

Interestingly the policy of Zeitgeist and its leadership, and this is espoused in the documentaries, lectures, interviews, website, forums, membership comments on the internet are that charity does nothing and is therefore a waste of time, it does not address the root cause and we need to concentrate on this.

So in other words their stance is the following:

Do not waste time helping people with money as it achieves nothing.

Give your money to The Venus Project to help them make movies and travel the world spreading their information instead.

Where is the altruism or humanism in this? While we wait for TVP/TZM to travel the world spreading the good word, millions of people die needlessly without help. It pretty much counters everything they use as a recruiting tactic for their cult, Merola and TVP use the quote 'thousands of people die from needless starvation every day, do something about it join TZM'.

I have two words for these people.

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You don't get it. You see, the RBE is the final answer to all mankind's problems. We can't get distracted by some people displaced (unless of course it's due to robots) in one small area. THE WORLD NEEDS SAVING AND ONLY WE CAN DO IT!! Never mind the fact we think Bush did 9/11 and Jesus is a conspiracy to control our mind, BUT WE'RE RIGHT ABOUT THIS!
Great article. ;3
Jim Jesus (a.k.a. machwon) said this on April 17, 2011 at 7:09 pm | Reply

Yeah I hear you bro, I think it is time to give over all my assets and income to Jacque Fresco irrespective of him being unwilling to validate his claims with his miracle technology blueprints. I guess some of us are just willing to give up everything to Jacque while others waste their time saving lives now. pffffffff
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anticultist said this on April 17, 2011 at 8:55 pm | Reply

I've listened to the Q&A from Dr. Peter Joseph talking about himself being rejected by Jacque Fresco and he brought up the Zeitgeist Art Festival (or whatever) saying that they will be doing food drives after coming to the realization that they may not (now aren't) be the activist arm of the Venus Project. I'm not sure if he was just saying that just to say it or he really means that. But if this is true, I suggest him and all the Zeitgeisters to drop the patchwork rhetoric.
BranManFloMore said this on April 20, 2011 at 10:58 pm | Reply

LOL loving your suggestion.
anticultist said this on April 20, 2011 at 11:14 pm | Reply

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The Venus Project is asking for donations to do a major motion picture depicting life in a resource-based economy. The film is designed to reach the general public throughout the world to introduce an exciting sustainable new social direction depicting a vision of what our future can be if we intelligently apply science and technology with environmental and human concern-a future where war, poverty and hunger could be but a distant memory.

Today we face very trying times where economies and countries are teetering on the brink of chaos; our resources are being depleted through waste and irresponsible management. Technology is displacing jobs that are not coming back. Most of our energy needs are obtained though methods that are destructive to the environment and ourselves though the plundering of finite resources which are being consumed at a prodigious rate. Existing social institutions are not taking the consequences of this same course of action seriously. These and many more problems will be culminating in the near future and we are not prepared to deal with what is coming.

This film offers a possible alternative to this global dilemma. It will be an awakening to many and could point a positive direction to work toward. It portrays in detail a global civilization, which secures, protects, and encourages a more humane world for all people, something we have not been able to do throughout history where all of the world's resources become the common heritage of all of the earth's people.

This does not presume to imply a utopian civilization but one that is always in the process of modification and change an emergent society where our technology is used to benefit the lives of all.

The film would provide a vision of a peaceful society in which all human beings work toward a global family on planet Earth. A civilization in which all people are engaged in the pursuit of a better understanding of themselves and the world they share.

We deeply appreciate any amount you can contribute to help make this a reality.

Donations Received: $34288.63

Future By Design is an officially recognized 501c-3 not for profit organization; donations to Future By Design are tax deductible. Script and artist direction are to be formulated by Future By Design. Those who donate do not have influence in production, script, or filming decisions. Thank you

http://www.thevenusproject.com/donations-motion-picture

Now notice they are asking for donations through their 501 c(3) non profit company, yet they want to put this motion picture which will ultimately cost millions into the public domain through theatres and screenings where a profit motive is created. This means that the 501 c(3) is soliciting profit incentives through a non profit company.

Unless they intend to give the product away for free then they are using non profit donations to gain a profit from theatre ticket sales across the world.

It is unlikely they will even get this far, and chances are they will retract their goal of making the movie and all the donations can be used wherever they choose as the donations clause says the following: Those who donate do not have influence in production, script, or filming decisions.

In other words should they choose to make a 5 second advert costing $10 or should they not even bother to make the movie at all you have no way of doing a thing about it, nor can you ask for your money back unless you go through a legal route. Being that you have no influence in the filming decisions this also includes the decision not to make the film at all too.

Also again read this: Those who donate do not have influence in production, script, or filming decisions. Do Jacque Fresco & Roxanne Meadows honestly think this is going make millionaire donators feel comfortable about handing over their own money ?? And then have absolutely no say in how their money is used and any say in the outcome of the movie ? These people are either truly retarded and clearly have no clue about how people operate in the real world, or are intentionally setting this up so they can never make the movie and take gullible peoples cash.

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"Now notice they are asking for donations through their 501 c(3) non profit company, yet they want to put this motion picture which will ultimately cost millions into the public domain through theatres and screenings where a profit motive is created. This means that the 501 c(3) is soliciting profit incentives through a non profit company.
Unless they intend to give the product away for free then they are using non profit donations to gain a profit from theatre ticket sales across the world."
I agree with, mostly. But in order for anything to get done, it costs money. Nothing is free, even if you're non-profit. I'd be curious to know what TZM would say if they were asked about that. But your general tone is that of attack rather than understanding so I wouldn't have expected you to ask. They may have a logical answer or they may not. I don't know. Is there something that the money from the box office earnings (the only money at a theatre that goes to the studios, concessions pays salaries) could go to or that would keep them "non-profit"? Although I may seem ass'ish, I want discussion but I don't want to "argue". If you're just going to attack, then that's fine. I'll just piss off.
"It is unlikely they will even get this far, and chances are they will retract their goal of making the movie and all the donations can be used wherever they choose as the donations clause says the following: Those who donate do not have influence in production, script, or filming decisions."
Again, your tone is that of attack and not understanding. A look at the US government system is a great example of how effective donations are in campaigns/elections, lobbyists for... everything, etc. When I read the same quote "those who donate...", I got something completely different. To paraphrase what I feel like you were saying is, "They'll take your money and do whatever they want and they don't have to ask/tell you 'nothin." Oddly, that is EXACTLY what politicians do. And I've never heard an intelligent person praise politicians for being moral pillars of society. I read the quote and got, "we have a vision and it's not going to be changed or altered by money/donations"... think about that for a second. Is there ANY institution that can't be changed by money? With enough money, you could influence and/or change literally anything if the price is high enough. You see thieves, I see conviction. I like the idea of something beyond the touch of money. The most important things in your life can't be bought. Period.
So aside from them being possibly shady on the business end, do you disagree with any of their ideas? Arguing about whether they are profit/non is all well and good but after that, would you be behind their ideas? Go back and reread all the blue words underneath the red writing and tell me where you disagree with their assessment or ideas of where to go. And saying it's a utopian this or hippie that doesn't fly. That doesn't actually address the idea itself, it just labels it without giving your personal opinion. Besides, you'd still have to define the label/stereotype.
Watching the zeitgeist stuff, doesn't that seem kind of exciting? Pretending for a second that you could wake up tomorrow and money would be gone and you'd just get what you need... it sounds soo much less stressful. Read Michio Kaku's book "Physics of the Future". Note everything that we could be doing but don't because of money. It's gross.
Anyway, happy truth hunting. Hope it's fruitful.
Logic said this on September 1, 2011 at 4:59 am | Reply

I diasagree with them, if you read my blog you would already know this though.
anticultist said this on November 15, 2011 at 7:46 am | Reply

Please state what research you have done on TVP or Jacque Fresco or Roxanne Meadows to make these claims. I have done much research and it continues to this day. Here's what it shows:
What i can say for sure (because i am a tvp member) is YOU CAN have a say in the movie production if you join TVP and have a relevenat education in creating movies or any aspect to major movie production/creation. So you actually could dontate AND have a say if you so choose.
Secondly, the movie is being released with the intention of making it freely available for anyone to watch, and the donations go toward making that happen.
-source: TVP Q&A recordings-Jacque Fresco has said many times anyone with the relevent information/education can take part in any aspect of TVP.-
And about your "millioniare donors"...anyone willing to donate that much money in this society, WOULD want a say because they want something else for their money then what TVP is advocating, and thus Jacque & Roxanne would not accept the money in that case, unless without provisions.
Anyone willing to donate money does so because they wish to spread the awareness of what a Resourced-Based Economy is in relation to TVP-not selfelshly motivated egotistic desires. You are projecting your fears into what you belieive will happen rather than understanding or asking questions about the process. You attack without any basis other than your unconfounded projections and insecurities, and fears.
Please educate yourself beforehand on matters of which you intend to speak.
Jorge said this on November 14, 2011 at 6:30 am | Reply

Above is the typical response from a Zeitard/Frescobot, avoiding the obvious allusions made that Fresco and Meadows have no intention on making a free movie, and have no intention on passing over any of the input to investors. I have presented the claims and statements from Meadows herself on this blog many times, so how about you use your claimed research skills to find that.
The input from the typical Frescobots/Zeitards is that people involved in TVP/TZMare selfless and altruistic, funny because Fresco has not once shown himself to be altruistic in any shape whatsoever, in fact he charges people money and takes income at every avenue possible. he has done nothing for society that is altruistic, and has only professed the belief everyone else should be altruistic.
Zeitards are still blinkered to these obvious facts and still blindly promote the bullshit fed to them.
Please educate yourself beforehand on matters of which you intend to speak Frescobot.
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Anonymous claims Roxanne Meadows is a gamblers nightmare April.19.2011 17

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This woman is a sure loser in the world of gambling, she wants to take risks no one with a bit of common sense would be willing to do. This of course is because she is gambling with other peoples money and not her own, she has nothing to lose from the risk, her home and her land or her money are not tied up in the project so no matter what its all a profit to her. She could justify spending 5 pence on a movie and keep the rest of the money for her handbag and shoe collection when Jacque dies.

She could also never make the movie and keep the whole thing.

She could also spend it all on a god awful movie about people living in a cult techno village in some dreamt up future in her and Jacques little pea heads. The return on this movie will no doubt be fucking dismal, the only people who will appreciate it will be hippies, potheads and zeitards, the rest of us with common sense will turn it off after downloading it on piratebay [yes I know its closed haha], and have a billion questions that zeitards, venus cult members and cult leaders can not answer.

So in short Roxanne Meadows is wanting your money to gamble on something she has no idea about making, promoting, or is even certain what it is she needs to do. All she knows is she needs your multi million dollar finance to make her happy, and she sure as hell wont make you happy when the movie either:

A: FLOPS

B: NEVER COMES TO FRUITION

C: SHE STEALS YOUR CASH AND YOU NEVER SEE A PENNY RETURNED

D: SHE DECIDES TO MAKE A CHEAPER MOVIE THAT IS SHIT AND YOU GET NO SAY IN HER KEEPING THE REMAINDER MILLIONS.

E: SHE SHOWS NO TRANSPARENCY IN THE SPENDING SO YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT IS FREE AND WHAT IS PAID FOR

Dupes will always be dupes though, so go ahead and give her all your money, be the biggest zeitard cult member there is, and once again watch the rest of the critics laugh their asses off at you and TVP later down the line like we are now about this whole TZM/TVP split we all predicted years ago. Everything we have said in the past has been proven right, this matter here is probably another one that will show to be a reality.

Zing!!!!

enjoy the movie:
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Anonymous is at it again! This is awesome.
I have heard Roxanne Meadows say that if the money collected doesn't go motion picture, then they (The Venus Project) will take that money and use it for an independent film- from their indie experience. I say nay. If they can't make a motion picture film- which I agree with Dr. Peter Joseph on being impossible to pull off, then they need to give people their money back. Besides, there's already films out there talking about RBE already- action needs to come next. Isn't that how you move forward?
I like how he confronted her about this saying she's taken advantage of poor people, he should have confronted VTV the same way though- even after reading this:
http://zeitgeistmovements.wordpress.com/2011/04/03/venus-project-spokesman-neil-kiernan-caught-begging-for-money-on-facebook
What I thought was funny was when she said that she wasn't counting on the Zeitgeist Movement to fund their Hollywood film, I think we all know that she's lying here. Even in this video, she recognizes how many people are in TZM after talking about the motion picture plan:

LoL
I'm not donating.
BranManFloMore said this on April 21, 2011 at 12:15 am | Reply

Yeah Roxanne Meadows was certainly counting on Peter Merola pushing her money begging scheme across the zeitard media outlets, when he withdrew this and refused to back it this has triggered a backlash. It should be clear to most people with a brain that Peter refused to hand over the reigns of Zeitgeist to The venus project. Since this incident the venus project has attempted to cause a fraction in TZM membership by asking TZM members who want to support TVP to leave and join them.
Roxanne wants as many members of TZM to herself and desperately wanted the entire movement [the imaginary half million quota] to donate, of course those of us who know the exaggeration of the membership numbers all along were laughing at this. As has been said before the active membership, rather than people who just clicked like is far smaller.
As Peter has said TZM members are generally low income, alexa statistically shows them to be home living teens to early twenties primarily. Also Peter made a good point that the only way the movie will succeed is with a director who facilitates with the monetary management, campaigning and funding, which will run into the millions. We are talking about professional paid jobs and roles for this movie to be successful, not voluntary part time work here like Meadows is trying to imagine it as.
The very idea that if they fail in this they plan on doing a low budget movie makes me laugh, in other words they just want to make their own movie no matter what. As if this will make any difference at all, since there have already been movies out pushing them and their ideas forward.
Another point that is important is her discussion of science fiction movies always being negative, and that she wants to do a science fiction movie that is positive !! So what she is saying is she wants to do a science fiction movie jam packed with CGI, and have the venus project advertisements all the way through it.

The Venus Project Movie Donations Fund Drive
http://www.youtube.com/embed/dWjNg7i2zNk

So to conclude this comment, Roxanne Meadows & Jacque Fresco are truly deluded in thinking they can change the world with a hollywood movie, a hollywood movie that will only exist in their minds and never see the big screens with them in command running it how they want to.
Someone else who is a professional may do a movie about the subject matter one day in the future, but that will be a professional team who do not focus on TVP, rather the concept in general. This may be feasable and will not be hampered by control freaks from TVP dictating everything to be about them and Jacque.
anticultist said this on April 21, 2011 at 10:01 am | Reply

It is truly amazing that j.f. was not able to respond or speak because he was back at the house sleeping, but he could be heard in the back ground talking to roxanne after peter set her straight. Why is he hiding? More lies to hide or is he to old to understand the reality of their mistake.
sam merola said this on April 24, 2011 at 2:46 pm | Reply

And you can change the world? No? So this post is a fraud. And you're blaming a project without having evidence to blame. You do not look to the future and more about the research project, and just think about the past that shit compared to the project is a failure for you. Well, you're losing. You never think in the future to know if this works or not.
Anounimous said this on June 16, 2011 at 10:01 pm | Reply

Dear me, the more I run this blog the more whack jobs come along with their 2 pence worth making themselves look bonkers.
anticultist said this on October 22, 2011 at 1:51 pm | Reply

I just wanna see Roxanne naked....
Hamburger Man said this on August 6, 2011 at 1:00 pm | Reply

If people csn live off the grtd. Why not estsblish s rbe community and see how it really functions?It would certainly be more effective than a bloody movie!
charlesd0saron said this on February 18, 2012 at 12:35 am | Reply

You are ignorant!? If you think about Venus Project as a Scam or Not, you should start to build your horizont wider. You sounds like a guy with a limited brain capacity and no imagination my friend. No one says you have to donate money if you dont feel like. But do you have any better proposals for a better change?
DD said this on May 1, 2012 at 2:30 pm | Reply

The old do you have a better proposal trope. Listen disagreeing with something and proving it bunk, does not mean I have to then provide a solution to the disproven claim.
In the real world that is not how shit functions. So now who is the guy with the limited brain capacity ?
If I were you I would probably keep your money and invest in something that might actually be functional and factual, instead of wishing you could live ina city with sex robots and no need to work.
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Peter Merola on Roxanne Meadows, "youre a liar and full of shit !" April 19, 2011 3uu X 19

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Roxanne Meadows tries to solicit TZM members to abandon TZM and join TVP, and she accuses Peter Merola of starting a mutiny to take control and misrepresent TVP. Peter Merola fumes and shouts down at Roxanne Meadows and argues she is full of shit and liar and puts the cult leader bitch in her place with a barrage of angry words.

Full discussion is taken from here:
https://soundcloud.com/george2pacheco/tzm-tvp-meeting-april-19th

Listen around 40 minutes onwards for the entire thing.

Also available in this youtube video.

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i think whats roxanne is saying is legit. i think shes right and i think that from square one PJ has always been an anarchist anti money atheist troll parasite on the Venus Project. "Different direction" I think its very clear that tzm 3 is an hour long incitement to riot. PJs assorted povs are all polarized and polarizing, and yes, hes taking things in a completely different direction than Jaques over his own ego and his own perspective... And that is sad and tragic... Because hes sucking TVP down...Everything Roxxanne is asking for is legit, is fair, and shes trying to hard to be diplomatic about it... I don't understand how anybody can be confused on this. TZM is an insane cult of ego, and sociopathic bullies... and all PJ does is prove one more time that his tool kit is from the gutter as he cusses and makes a prick of himself... bingo! Yep, PJ, THAT is why they MUST get away from you. You aren't capable of neutral rational level headed thinking... just blaming and making other people wrong but NEVER looking at yourself in the mirror to see whats maybe a bit off. PJ can't handle constructive criticism and he can't handle taking an adult stance regarding these problems. He may have introduced the public to TVP, but as he did so he watered it down just about the same as "paul" distorting the initial message of "Jesus."
pan said this on April 19, 2011 at 9:12 pm | Reply

I dont agree with you defending Roxanne at all she is a parasite stealing money from people to fund her own projects and lifestyle with little regard to the advice given to her.
They're both fucking parasites, Peter and Roxanne there is no side to take in this matter theyre both garbage and anyone who cant see it is an idiot.
anticultist said this on April 19, 2011 at 9:23 pm | Reply

(I'm French) You accusing Peter and Roxanne to be what exactly ? A Parasites ? by defenition parasites is something that restraign something to move forward could you be a bit more articulated, please ? Is it not what you exacly doing now ? restraining to move forward ?those peoples deserve a huge respect for all the effort they all bring by passion to makes this WORLD BETTER. No one is now taking care of you as far as I know( politiciens, governments, banques, etc) No one suggest something better so far, not even God. you're on your own pal. Now Roxanne & Peter is fighting togheter to clarified there direction thats it ( it's not happen sometime in every good family ?) those NOBLE PERSONAGE work realy hard to design ower own futur give them a helping hand. Why are you so bad to them ? are you surprise by what you saw in ther materials, get real would you. So far they ( TZM & TVP) expose way more real fact then any other media around this entiere planete ( unless you're conecting in outer limits) So let's proceed from that point. Now if you still not understand this just wait and grow up a bit or get the f* out the dance floor ! m'o.k.? Please be good and patient you already want's the world to get better, Right? You are not god, they are not god, i'm not god, So lets work all together step by step even if we have to go back one or two steps sometime. It's all good Bro, dont worry
Richard said this on June 11, 2011 at 2:07 pm

I agree with Pan. Peter Joseph clearly has deviated to far to be calling the organization he started the "activist arm." The ending of Zeitgeist Moving Forward would lead to nothing short of a police state if it were to actually happen. A few reforms may occur thereafter, but that would probably be the furthest extent of that upheaval.
True as well that PJ rails against the monetary/price system. Fresco instead sees the market system as a natural stage of evolution and that it evolve in accordance with the governing laws of nature. He does not seek to destroy the prices system, he simply seeks to evolve out of it. However, Peter Joseph does not highlight this aspect and the result is indeed polarizing. It is not the monetary system that is the root problem of societal ills as Peter Joseph claims, it is instead scarcity of resources, knowledge, and time. The true enemy is not money. The true enemy is scarcity. This is Fresco's view and Peter does not support that in his films clearly at all. Instead he supports a rash, combative, and bellicose.
biophily said this on April 22, 2011 at 7:06 am | Reply

could be true. I have never seen any proof that shes that bad. it doesn't matter. whats she is asking for here is legit for her to ask for and should be respected, irregardless. I'm hardly defending her. I have never seen what i would consider to be evidence shes that bad a person. In this case however she makes every effort to be diplomatic and conscientious. If she is lying or whatever .. this does not come out in listening. As far as i am concerned whos in the right in this particular interaction is very clear. PJ is a prick to her because hes a prick period, he can't help it. I'm not saying shes blameless. I'm just saying that what she is asking for she has every right to ask for and that having asked for it the only thing left for tzm to do is comply. I am linking to your blog tho. I hope that makes for a smile on your face... lol --------------
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Events of recent with the splitting of TZM and TVP have proven that the core points of conflict which I have with TZM are shared by TVP. This was a predictable outcome of TZM failing to listen to people like
me. Roxanne tries to be so diplomatic about it, but lets talk about the different directions TZM was taking things in. To start, TZM was always a cult of personality. The way in which it venerated Jaques was always
patently cultish. Its one thing to promote him and his ideas. Its another thing to do so in a way that makes of him a cult of personality style celebrity, something which Jaques never wanted. For another thing
then, PJ also becomes the second person in that cult of personality and VTV the third person. I wouldn't want TZM to continue representing me where they can't keep patent sociopaths from bullying the public.
In the latest melt down with PJ cussing out Roxxanne, so much more becomes clear than PJ realizes. She tries desperately to be as diplomatic as possible; And PJ shows us again why hes a jerk and can't be trusted.
Hes a hot headed potty mouth, hes polarized and polarizing, he can't take meaningful criticism and his ears are closed. He emits. He does not listen. And what hes got in mind is rioting, is fighting AGAINST the money system,
and this is not what TVP proposes. His movie TZM 3 is an hour long incitement to riot. This is not the direction of TVP. I am honestly floored and amused to hear people asking "what can we do better,
what did we do wrong. why can't we fix it?" Its not fixable. PJ is an ego tripping ego freak who gets angry whenever you push up against his cognitive dissonance. VTV is a patently sociopathic abusive person. You
can't talk sense with such people. The implication for some is that TVP did not try to talk sense with them. This seems ludicrous. Its clear that even now as Roxxane tries to speak diplomatically and positively,
PJ is completely unglued from neutrality or being moral or ethical or compassionate towards her and can not imagine how he could have done anything wrong. He can't allow his own mind to look at himself to see any error
or flaw. Thus those flaws can not be addressed and thus TVP is always dealing with a wingnut whos in essence taken over their message and corrupted it for use for athiests and anarchists who want to FIGHT the system
and "Take it down". Its disturbing to think that this has gone on this long. I'm proud of TVP for finally getting clear on this and breaking free from TZM which is little more than a social parasite. And Roxanne is right.
If you want to suppot TVP; support TVP. the door is open. But TZM has long since proven redundantly that its insane and can't be trusted. I was saying this almost a year ago now. And now TVP is saying in essence the same thing.
TZMers should pay attention. TVP has woken up to the truth about TZM- that its a cult going in self sabotaging and negative directions. Don't you think its time that everyone else got clear on this?
http://anticultist.wordpress.com/2011/04/19/peter-merola-on-roxanne-meadows-youre-a-liar-and-full-of-shit/#comment-2534
pan said this on April 19, 2011 at 9:46 pm | Reply

She has shown plenty of times she is not to be trusted and is a decieptful person:
http://anticultist.wordpress.com/2010/01/18/the-venus-project-is-not-just-non-profit/
The comments in this thread show exactly why, this was the first of many times she showed her true colours, everything with her is monetary gain based. She is after nothing but control of income and wants to secure funds for her and Jacque and is unwilling to disclose the finances when asked outright to be open and honest about it.
anticultist said this on April 19, 2011 at 10:27 pm | Reply

Haha! This is funny! You are really entertaining! Keep up the good work!
ahhaa!! said this on April 19, 2011 at 10:16 pm | Reply

Indeed this is all very funny, the TVP/TZM split is extremely comical for the rest of us.
All the problems that are now surfacing in the arguments between Zeitards, zeitard leaders and the TVP cult leaders are things we critics have been telling them for years.
anticultist said this on April 19, 2011 at 10:24 pm | Reply

thanks for having the good handy info she can be deceitful. I still would have to ask that we not call each other names in this drama like that because its going to work a lot better where i am coming from and posting it if you can find more neutral language by which to write this.
Anyhow. I am glad to see you back and its quite the party, everything we prophecied would happen did isn't it ludicrous that they all treat THEM as prophets? lol
pan said this on April 20, 2011 at 3:51 am | Reply

"cult leader>>bitch<<" please. please, your signal is stronger and better if you don't drop down to this.
sometimes less is more. esp when trying to use this like i am.
pan said this on April 20, 2011 at 3:54 am | Reply

I dont do neutral or hold back pan :) I just say what I feel, but yeah I get ya if you wanna be politically correct and polite, thats not my thing.
anticultist said this on April 20, 2011 at 8:42 am | Reply

https://www.facebook.com/home.php?sk=group_150586671662676&view=doc&id=168641199857223
pan said this on April 20, 2011 at 3:54 am | Reply

TZM is not advocating TVP but rather RBE in general, TVP is not the only movement that is pushing for RBE
A zeitard said this on April 20, 2011 at 9:58 pm | Reply

This pretty much shows how zeitarded you are. They have been agressively and singularly advocating TVP on their forum and in their mercahndising and media for the last two years, only now since daddy Fresco bitch slapped your movement, its members and its leader have you all decided to look for another outlet.
If you plan on trying to hide these details from people who have been following and involved in TZM since its inception you are only going to wind up looking more zeitarded, do not bother.
anticultist said this on April 20, 2011 at 10:19 pm | Reply

Again, please do not call me "zeitarded" because it is insulting. "Zeitard" is an automatic label you have given to me because I am part of the movement, hence my name. The thing is, I don't read the main forums, I haven't even registered there (partly because of the ridiculous questionaire they have there). I don't know about the main forums really, I am simply sharing my understanding of the movement which is based on the finnish community. We do not advocate TVP here as the only solution but rather one of the many possible solution, what is relevant is that we need better system that considers the earths carrying capacity.
Now could you please open my comments to be viewed on the another thread?
A zeitard said this on April 21, 2011 at 8:37 am

I think it hilarous what Roxanne is saying: "Don't use our materials (to promote/spread information/advocate TVP) if you don't do exactly as we say (give MONEY and volunteer)"
LOL
I totally understand PJ
For me TZM never was about TVP but about awareness, promotion of renewable energies, a better economic system (RBE) and most of all CHANGE for the better
A zeitard said this on April 20, 2011 at 11:28 pm | Reply

It is very funny that she should say dont have anything to do with TZM and leave our materials alone, and then in the same sentence ask Zeitgeisters to leave TZM and go and join her to help only her in TVP.
She is clearly either stupid, ignorant or plain crazy.
anticultist said this on April 20, 2011 at 11:39 pm | Reply

The Venus Project is preserving it's dignity by dumping the Zeitgeist group and staying true to its vision. It has risked losing hundreds/thousands of supporters (and their money) for the sake of preserving the integrity of their vision. Is that money grubbing? Or simply being real?
Here's the deal: many members claim that Fresco is very inspiring. For this they love him, as he gives them something to hope for and his ideology fulfills the role of religion in their lives because it soothes their heartache at the conditions of the world. He gives them something very hard to come by in the secular belief system: alleviation from hopelessness, depression, and fear. His ideology boosts their esteem and relieves their anxiety resulting from their powerlessness in this world. Again, they literally Love him for giving them this (whether they realize this or not). He does not ask for the love; it simply comes to him. He has no obligation to people simply because they happen to love him and want to give him money or promote. What is he supposed to do? -serve the people who are loving him and act in accordance with their expectations because he somehow owes them now?
They promoted his direction and his name out of their own love for him, and greatly benefited emotionally from this because it gave them a sense of purpose and meaning in their lives. I want to make one thing VERY CLEAR: Their Love for him is their OWN MISTAKE.
If they want to continue loving him, he will let them, but only if they don't threaten his plan. If they threaten his plan, they become an obstacle. Fresco never went to anyone asking. Everyone who has ever worked with him did so because they liked what they saw and came to him.
The members should have recognized that they were entering into a relationship in which they will give and not see anything in return, because it is not Fresco who loves them, it is they who love Fresco. It has always been that way throughout Fresco's entire life, and people leave the relationship mad at Fresco because they so foolishly loved him. Is it Fresco's fault that he is so lovable?
If I meet someone on the street and find him very charismatic and inspiring, and then proceed to love him because he gives meaning to my life, I should not expect that he owes me anything because I ended up funding the project he believes in and elevated his reputation around town. He owes me nothing, and to expect that he does is an idiotic and very naive reaction. I was merely loving like a fool. My own stupidity got me duped.
biophily said this on April 22, 2011 at 7:09 am | Reply

zeitard and tvp idiot here-neither Jacque, Roxanne or Peter-neither one of them is entirely without blame or entirely to blame. The world is not black and white-people are not good or bad. We cannot even gage good or bad-as it is based on this stupid brutish system anyway. Both of them, their backs are against the wall and they just don't trust each other and both could be seeing a bigger picture-attempting to see each other's point of view would be more constructive.
There is really is no definite good or bad. If I go steal from someone is that bad?? When the system is designed to keep me from the things that I should have a right-same as anyone-to be able to use???
Lauren Todd said this on April 27, 2011 at 12:00 am | Reply

this petty stance u all have taken of dramatizing the "name" or the side taking of one of 2 parties that want almost identical movements to occur. I feel this position tvp is taking against peter is nothing but a question of credit and not a passion to change. without the social connection and influence that tzm has proposed tvp will not affect the minds of our world that can promote change. We are one and must begin to think as a collective unit rather than securing a "name" instead of an actual move. It's petty to here such capable human beings fall into such a low level of egotistical quarrels. I honestly believe peter suggests a very valid point in that any more money spent should be on creating the first city! Another movie is a waste of effort as Peter has made the point clear that change is needed and has represented tvp as the best way to change, and no other movie is going to prepare us more than that for change. Build the future stop talking about it. Now while we have the freedom and growth. to fall into this drama over who has the final word has nothing to do with the "movement" itself.. altruism and selflessness is the key. why are we not acting accordingly?
omgness said this on April 27, 2011 at 7:22 am | Reply

It seems that TVP has not achieved much in 30 years.
TZM is advocating a resource based economy. The concepts or ideas of TVP are a part of developing a resource based economy.
Neither Jacques not Roxanne can claim ownership to mankinds future nor can TVP surely imagine that they are the sole and exclusive custodians of this future. It is arrogant to the core to state that other scientists and engineers will be excluded from inputs.
I have held back from committing myself to either of these organizations. In the early stages of all organizations , these power plays will arise. It seems apparent to me the TVP has suddenly seen an oppurtunity for power, wealth and status and are now trying to take control.
The concept at stake here is A resource based economy as a solution to mankinds future.
We must at all costs avoid making this an issue of allegiance to TZM or TVP.
My understanding is that we need a factual, unemotional educational campaign to get people to understand where our current system is taking us, and the causes.
The solution is then to be developed by people in response to this knowledge, not dictated to them by TZM or TVP.
I believe TZM should move on without TVP - TVP will probably return to the obscurity it enjoyed before.
The essence of TZM is now released from the shackles of personality.
A Resource Based Economy becomes the focal point of TZM, and embraces any and all forward thinking persons, scientists and engineers who are prepared to engage a new world order based on balancing planetary resources and human needs - as opposed to being shackled by an individual or two, who would claim ownership of the process.
We currently see TZM in an activist, awareness phase - and this is logically the first phase.
However, as a matter of urgency - TZM needs to engage at all levels to develop possible responses, solutions, models for a sustainable new order. This effort should engage everyone with potential contributions, expertise, knowledge to develop a blueprint - if TVP wishes to be a part of that welcome them, if they want to own that- let them go on their own.
The activist, education phase is far from complete - this phase does not focus on solutions - in fact it was erroneous to propose TVP as the solution. The educational phase merely creates awareness as to where this system is headed, and the core reasons for that.
When a critical mass of sensitized people is achieved, we go about developing a responsive solution in a systematic way utilizing the inputs of everybody with capacity to do so. We do not assume from the standstill that TVP is the solution based on one mans say so!
In the meanwhile we do need to get some draft proposals going for a sustainable solution to mankinds problems. These will be rehashed down the line.
Dump TVP now, establish the core focal point of TZM as developing a suitable new world economy - one which marries the needs of humans and the planet.
TZM - Advocating a new world economy. Right now we are sensitizing people to the need for a New World Economy - thereafter the people will define it - whatever it will be. Jacques Fresco proposes just one solution of many possible solution - Resource Based Economy, we cannot exclude other potentials.
Brandon said this on May 1, 2011 at 8:04 pm | Reply

I used to nurture respect for you..that till you started "bitching" everyone.One word* to define them all huh? Such a shame..
About the post: thief stealing thief,snake eating snake etc.. should draw the picture..p.s Roxanne can't even manage to express herself in her own language..enough said..as for PJM,well simple, he is a psychopath..and they'll always win an arguement. So who should we pick?!..two argue..I go looking for the third. They should do a great job annihilating one another,so we're all relieved and saved the trouble. We got lucky,can't you see?!! Peace.
GE said this on May 3, 2011 at 6:02 pm | Reply

This topic affords great entertainment: PJ and Roxanne are like two gorged parasites quibbling over how to 'share' the next host. It's
probably unintentional humour but the verbal contortions they go through while dancing around each other's intentions are better than most professional script writers of late could put into some of
their best soap operas.
Thank you for posting this info...it's a real eye-opener for me.
chiram said this on May 8, 2011 at 1:13 pm | Reply

That's a faked conversation!
nextnyc said this on July 5, 2011 at 6:28 am | Reply

LOL ^^^^ What a get out of jail free statement folks. Only a conspiracy theorist could fictionalise something that is fact.
anticultist said this on October 22, 2011 at 1:49 pm | Reply

Did anyone actually listen to the darn "conversation"? It was clearly 2 different recordings, 1 really of Roxanne and the other of someone who sounds a bit like PJ.
nextnyc said this on July 5, 2011 at 6:31 am | Reply

hahaha two...sorry I mean too...funny
anticultist said this on October 22, 2011 at 1:49 pm | Reply

This is quite nice read / listen, also the thing about their profit companies was a nice read, and how she came across on that. I think I've lost all the respect I had for the TVP, which is kinda sad cause I used to vouch for them.
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VTV drops TVP and makes powerplay to take over TZM April 19, 2011 3uuuu 21

http://web.archive.org/web/20110831102405/http://anticultist.wordpress.com/2011/04/19/vtv-drops-tvp-and-makes-powerplay-to-take-over-tzm/


http://www.thezeitgeistmovement.com/joomla/index.php?option=com_kunena&func=view&catid=3&id=333690&limit=10&limitstart=40&Itemid=100114#333793

DorianJ wrote:

Does he? Aren't there enough people in the movement that get it to have the Voice of TZM, as it were, come from the group rather than just Peter? For instance, I don't see why any of this would mean only Peter can do radio addresses instead of rotating the hosts the way that it's going now. Nor would it mean any chapter leader or someone couldn't do local radio or tv spots if the opportunity came up.

RodT wrote:
Very true. All throughout history people have desired for certain people to lead them. I think people need to move past this desire for a leader or leaders to follow.

js42uk wrote:
No, there is nothing wrong with "leaders" in different positions. Yes, we all need to be leaders of a sorts, but some will not be able to perform certain jobs. We are all different. It is not about leaders per say, Peter is the best person currently for the job of spokesperson. If not, then let the individual step forward now! In fact, he/she should have been announced as Peter stepped back.

VTV wrote:

The people that come to mind are:

Doug Mallette,

Brandy Hume.

And I do a pretty good job.

So VTV the UNOFFICIAL [NOT] spokesperson for The Venus Project, after spending his last few years as their self proclaimed representative 'expert' on the TZM forum, now drops the venus project and puts himself forward as the representative of the zeitgeist movement.

This shit just gets funnier and funnier by the day....VTV obviously knows where the funding for his food bills and electricity bills comes from, so he has to ditch the selfish money grabbing Fresco and Meadows, as the only people he know stupid enough to fund his lies are TZM members.


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That's one of the funniest things he's ever said.
With all that time he spent being Jacque's hairdresser and practically sitting on his lap he'd sell Jacque out in a heartbeat to be spokesman of a rival group?
justintempler said this on April 19, 2011 at 1:21 am | Reply

Well there you go at least VTV knows who is paying his bills when he solicits his begging online, it certainly is not Fresco or Meadows...it's Merolas peons who pay for VTV to live his narcissistic existance.
It makes sense VTV would abandon his imaginary position in the venus project for a position in a movement of people who are willing to pay for his food, energy and computer games.
And yeah it is too fricking funny to believe, I was waiting for him to do this, and there it is he has started to make his move.
anticultist said this on April 19, 2011 at 1:36 am | Reply

What? VTV didn't suggest Thunder? Oh Snap!
LoL
I wonder if Brandy will change her name to TZMChallenge now.
BranManFloMore said this on April 19, 2011 at 7:40 pm | Reply

I am glad I did not move up in the movement as it were-alot of powerplays going on at the top-as with any organization or business I am now sitting back and watching what happens.
Lauren Todd said this on April 28, 2011 at 7:11 am | Reply

[...] This is all part of VTV's plan to take over TZM and backstab other members who get positions of power he wanted. [...]
Barbara Streisand effect - VTV fraudulantly flags videos « Zeitgeist is a mind heist - venus project is a scam ? said this on April 28, 2011 at 10:18 am | Reply

VTV will ruin the movement and drag every member down with him.
Jason Bright said this on May 3, 2011 at 5:15 pm | Reply

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