Skeptic Project

Whilst briefly looking at the TZM site for anything of interest, I stumbled across this:

http://thezeitgeistmovement.com/joomla/index.php?option=com_kunena&Itemid=99999&func=view&catid=231&id=281678&limit=10&limitstart=60

> I agree with you that disagreement with the rules has not been encouraged. But I
> am not sure it's accurate that disagreement with ideas in general has not been. I
> don't recall a person being banned solely for disagreeing with a specific part of
> the movement. Cosar is a good example of someone here who disagrees with some
> fundamentals, but remains active. He does so by continuing to participate positively
> in many areas, and expressing his disagreements in accordance with the rules. Nanos
> was a person who was an example of the tolerance for dissent allowed-- it took quite
> a while, and a period of constant criticism with no positive contributions before he
> was banned. And all it would have taken for him to come back would have been a
> statement such as "I would like to contribute to the discussion of X, with which I
> agree.' We didn't see that from him though.

Its so nice to be talked about more when I'm not there than when I was :-)

But anyhow..

What peaked my interest was:

> all it would have taken for him to come back would have been a
> statement such as "I would like to contribute to the discussion of X, with which I
> agree.' We didn't see that from him though.

I must have missed the email being sent to me telling me that all I had to do was issue a statement like that..

> a period of constant criticism with no positive contributions before he
> was banned.

Funny how me briming full of contributions in many subject areas gets stated as 'no positive contributions' isn't it..

I notice the same thing started to happen on the UK Z site as well, suddenly during a debate between me and another person about practical solutions to building communities, in comes someone who parrot fashion starts saying 'no positive contributions', eventually just saying only that to my replies!

Mmm.. I think maybe I can see where that is going to lead..

At some point, a mod is going ban me, because someone keeps repeating 'no positive contributions'..

Being that I'm getting a little fed up with being banned for either just simply disagreeing, or for being smug and condesending, I thought for a change, I would at least get a good insult in before I'm made to walk the plank so told the person to go and fuck themselves, for those interested, the thread is here:

http://www.thezeitgeistmovementuk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=2154&p=11613&hilit=fuck+yourself#p11613

As its getting obvious that most Z folk are a waste of time to debate with, I haven't even bothered to read the rest of the thread as I doubt anyone other than the decent other person I was chatting to would have anything worth listening to.

At least the admin/mods there are better than TZM in that they don't IP ban you, so you can still read without needing to go through a proxy server, you just cannot login.. (Funny isn't it, someone threatens someone on the forum with violence and they don't get banned, but I call someone something rude and suddenly I cannot log in anymore..)

> I would like to contribute to the discussion of X

I would like to contribute to the discussion of raising money and resources to help develop sustainable energy solutions for Fresco's home and then other TZM members.