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> "Dear Peter Joseph Merola,"
Your funeral...
of the whole message that is.

If Peter does not like his surname being used, then you should have at least some respect for that. It is like going to VTV and starting a message with "Dear fat VTV,". (VTV, if you ever get to read this, please don't take this offensively.)

oreolvrs:
> But seriously why TZM why not the indpendant groups where you could involve yourself in meaniful disscussions?

Even I, as a TZM forum member agree with oreolvrs. TZM forum is for discussion of RBE related topics. I think, after two years, everything must have been said and discussed to the fullest. Unless you have credentials to ask about some unique issue, which is highly doubtful.

I still think you would go just to subtly troll, until getting banned again, then you will come here and say "See, I got banned for no reason at all!".
Why I think so? You act as if TeeZeeDem hypnotized or mesmerised you. I am amazed that all CS members did not see this right at the start.

> You are apart of TZM forum but more importantly you worship Adolf Hitler!

Behaviour like that isn't likely to get you back in..

Also, the media@TZM email address isn't reliable, this is due to their emailbox getting clogged, Tanktop once mentioned to me that it hadn't been working for a while (I think weeks was mentioned..) and email sent to it was not bouncing, but just vanishing into a blackhole forever, and that no one had thought to mention this on the forums/etc. at all to inform anyone else sending emails that they wouldn't get through.

I asked him if he could let everyone know when it was working, or wasn't..

Never heard another word after that about the address working or not.

And various emails I've sent over the last, what is it, 2 years, have never received any replies to, so no idea if they ever even got there..

@Nanos
"Behaviour like that isn't likely to get you back in.."

I'll take a note from Matt. "just because it's offensive doesn't mean it's not true". Also how is my behavior on a third party site affect how I will get into the Zeitgeist movement? I have been known to be pretty reasonable on the TZm official medium

@Pendrokar

"I am not a fan of anything. Fanaticism is what holds humanity back. There won't be a statue of Fresco in an RBE, as there won't be a specific grave for him, because as he said "Burn me into ashes and flush them down the toilet."."

Ironically you quote Fresco like a bible verse. If you don't know that Hitler is in fact bad because he killed many Jewish people then wow...

"Billll, you will not comprehend me or Nanos while having a mindset of Black and White, or Good and Evil. (Good and bad, is an exception)"

Wow don't get me started. LOL, ok go back to Germany...

> how is my behavior on a third party site affect how I will get into the Zeitgeist movement?

If you repeated act like a dick elsewhere, it doesn't bode well to let you into someplace where you are more than likely to act the same there. (Thats a, I think you act too much abusively towards folk at times, going beyond humour.)

Remember, I'm just the same in many ways :-)

> Ironically you quote Fresco like a bible verse.

Fresco was just an example, one could equally have said a statue of The Pope, but Fresco is perhaps more relevant to TZM speak..

Me thinks you are getting hung up just a bit too much on TZM from time to time.

Its like when I was not banned, I was considered 'with TZM' and treated differently to when I got banned and now assumed 'not with TZM'.

I'm the same no matter what.

Would Pendrokar be treated differently if they was banned ?

> I don't know what today's Germany really is.

I'm increasingly meeting cooperative helpful folk from that area, its quite puzzling me why someone from there wants to help me more than people in my own country! (Especially when my country bombed theirs.. and I hold no grudge against their country, after all, their bombs killed most of my family!)

Surely its an excellent example of how people can work together.. (Thats a, I wish TZM and everyone else could work together too..)

> some good black humor. :)

I didn't notice :-)

I was more meaning, that even though our previous generations tried to kill each other, doesn't stop us from working together now.

I'm also reminded how its not impossible for people even today, who perhaps last week was trying to shoot particular people, this week are in the supermarket queue with them. (Though perhaps unstandable they get a bit upset when such people push in front of them..)

> Exactly how am i acting like a dick?

By repeating Nazi slurs.

Once or twice is amusing, perhaps 3 times is humourous, but beyond that, it loses its appeal and just begins to make you look a nasty person. (Much like how on other forums people will repeatedly go on about VTV being the devil/etc.)

> What makes you think I act the same way on all the sites I'm on?

I'm assuming you are, based on how I notice most people tend to act the same they are no matter where they are.

But, if you are capable of being more civil on other sites, than my hat goes off to you, as its something I find virtually impossible to do myself, things tend to slip out from time to time, no matter how careful I am, its just so difficult for me to keep my mouth shut and not say something abusive from time to time when I'm upset about someone over something.

Perhaps you could give us an example of other sites, so we can see that you are not always like this.

> Pen rips a verse from Fresco

You see it as from Fresco, I see it as mentioning Fresco in passing, eg. of no consquence or importance.

I might mention Fresco when I mention about the lack of toilet cleaners in a community, but that doesn't mean I'm a fan of Fresco, I could equally have mentioned someone else who might have trouble recruiting toilet cleaners in their community :-)

> wow

It can make sense, best to be not the top dog in charge, but behind the scenes, a bit like PJ and Fresco.. :-)

"Are you trying to track down the pure race again?"
I was talking about genes, not races. Pure races in developed societies don't exist.

"Fresco died long ago... What you see now is a living fossil."
Unbanning from TZM has been denied by this already. You have failed to black humour me with this.

Ever wonder why prisoners get released for good behaviour at the pretext that they will continue their good behaviour, when released into the main society?

How you act elsewhere matters!

> What exactly is a repeated Nazi slur I had said?

Here you go, one plain and simple slur.

>> @Pendrokar can I see your mind reading credentials? You are apart of TZM forum but
>> more importantly you worship Adolf Hitler!

> Here are websites I go to nanos check them out

FX [ smiles ]

Now that was amusing :-)

> What are you talking about?!?

Well, if Hitler wasn't really in charge, perhaps Fresco really isn't in charge.

Perhaps TZM is as bad as the Nazi's was..

> I was talking about genes

Do you think we are seeing the emergence of a cooperation gene(s) and those with it will survive and those without perish ?

> Ever wonder why prisoners get released for good behaviour at the pretext that they
> will continue their good behaviour, when released into the main society?

It is perhaps worth noting, having listened to staff of decades worth of experience working with prisoners, that many learn to be good inside prison, so they can get out, and turn back to bad behaviour once there is no need to be good.

As such, I can quite imagine its possible for someone to be nasty in one forum, but perfectly civil in another. (And I've seen it myself with some folk on other forums.)

@Nanons

"Here you go, one plain and simple slur.

>> @Pendrokar can I see your mind reading credentials? You are apart of TZM forum but
>> more importantly you worship Adolf Hitler!"

I don't get how that's a slur?

title: Talking to Myself

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8b6kBGvl58

@Muertos damn you and your rational thought! the post I got from here is only a tiny fraction of the forms of hhmm idiocy I get when I was in TZM. I stuck out like a sore thumb, I am highly doubting that I could merely "fit in" and i would agree with Pendrokar that if unbanned I may more than likely get banned for not being a CTer, not believing in RBE, not believing in anything Peter Merola says or not believing in what most of Jacque Fresco says. I just knoe TZm is the first TZM group I ever came upon and at that it taught me the serious affects Ct's can do on people...

"How can you possibly feel good about this? How can you possibly feel like you're doing something good for the world?"

I'm not feeling good about this... I disagree on maybe 98% of what TZM/TVP I about =P I think I was becoming partially insane to some extent as well, I'm unsure if I want to be subjected to such a mind numbing environment...

I don't even know why we're discussing one singular person going back to the ZM. It's pretty non-consequential to be honest.

*facepalm*

All of this talk, and Bill still has no chance of getting back in.

Pendrokar, it makes me feel dirty to even address you directly, but you leave me no choice.

I don't get it, what is it that I have said that has so offended you particularly, other than HR stuff to which I'd like credible answers to?

You are an anti-Semite, a Holocaust denier, a Nazi apologist, and a conspiracy theorist. All four offend me deeply. You hate Jews. That offends me as a human being. You deny the Holocaust. That offends me as a historian. You are a Nazi apologist. That offends me as a free-thinking person who believes in democracy. You are a conspiracy theorist. That offends me as a rational person who practices critical thinking.

Here is why I think you are an incompetent historian:
1) You use the slang term of "nazis" to describe people that see some good things that Nazis did.
- (slang) An individual or group with traits considered similar to those of the Nazi
If you would call me fascist, that would be more logical.

I don't really give a damn whether you think I am a competent historian. Holocaust deniers think anyone who doesn't agree with their racist fantasies about "the Holocaust never happened" or "the Holocaust wasn't as bad as people say" are incompetent. I would like to know what training you have in history and where you got it. Then, and only then, might there be some basis on which you are allowed to tell me my business...but I doubt it highly.

2) You use the term "Holocaust deniers". Which in most times suggests to people, that hear the term for the first time, that those are people that believe no one died in concentration camps.

This is semantic bullshit and you know it. The term is completely descriptive of you. You can read a lot about your kind, what they want to do and why they won't get away with it here:
http://www.adl.org/holocaust/introduction.asp</p>

Key quotes from this article, since you are probably too racist to actually click a website created by Jews:

"Dressing themselves in pseudo-academic garb, they [Holocaust deniers] have adopted the term "revisionism" in order to mask and legitimate their enterprise. After all, the ongoing challenge to and revision of previously accepted historical interpretation is one of the hallmarks of the professional historian's craft....They do not deny that Hitler's government engaged in persecution of and discrimination against Jews in Germany and German controlled countries. They even admit the existence of concentration camps. They assert, however, that the anti-Semitic actions of the Nazi government were in large part a legitimate response to Jewish misdeeds and disloyalty during wartime. As such, the measures taken and the use of concentration camps was not qualitatively different from similar wartime and post-war actions of the western allies and the Soviet Union. Only Germany is singled out for special condemnation, they argue, because it lost the war. What they deny is the existence of any German plan or program to subject the Jews of Europe to genocide."

Sound familiar, Herr Reichsfuerher?

So you flood this misconception around, even if you mean that "Holocaust deniers" are those who don't think the term holocaust should be used, since that term inclines murder of Jews. Well that view doesn't seemed to work for most people. Either you use a different term or the one that holocaust reviewers use.

Again, semantics. Read the above passage I pasted from the ADL website on Holocaust denial. It describes to a T what you just tried to do in the above paragraph.

3) In a blog entry you said such a simple phrase: "Yes, bad people sometimes do bad things.". Do you mean that as sometimes we can't determine the cause for these things, otherwise I thought we learn history to not repeat mistakes of others? Maybe you consider your readers to be kids? Nice.

This shows your total misunderstanding of what history is and why historians do what they do. It's not even worth correcting you, because you'd reject it anyway. If it doesn't paint the Nazis as heroes and the Jews as subhumans, it's "incompetent history" anyway, right?

4) I doubt you are a teacher of history in any school.

You can find me at the University of Oregon, McKenzie Hall, office 340C. My office hours for this term have not yet been established but I suspect they will be Tuesday or Wednesday in the early afternoon. This term I will be teaching two discussion sections of History 201.

5) You still haven't provided materials that would educate me. Maybe you just want to use that link Edward gave me, which I did not accept. Give the materials and I will be gone for a month.

You won't accept these links either because they support what you maintain to be a Zionist conspiracy to bastardize history, but in case you can overcome your racism to at least look at them here are just a few:
http://www.shoaheducation.com/EYEWITNESSES.html<br /> http://remember.org/witness/<br /> http://www.holocaust-history.org/<br /> http://www.holocaust-trc.org/<br /> http://www.nizkor.org/

> All four offend me deeply.

It puzzles me why you think that person is all four, as I hadn't noticed them having any of the negative qualities you so mention, and you know I'm always keen to open my big mouth and shout such things when I see them..

What I see is one pretty sensible person being set upon by someone who cannot see anyone else as seeing in shades of grey, they are either on your side, or on the other, not inbetween.

> "the Holocaust wasn't as bad as people say" are incompetent. I would like to know
> what training you have in history and where you got it.

My own side of that is that I entered my last job with the view that the Holocaust happened just as we are all told it did, but as my last job involved working as a filing clerk in the UK National Archives, where all the top notch Historians hang out and research this stuff.

I got to enjoy the benefit of seeing what they research pass through my hands on a regular basis, plus the advantage of chatting to them.

As such, my views changed some because of the evidence I got to see first hand, origional documents, and all that jazz.

I also got to see a lot of other historical documents as well about many other subjects, which also I reckon gave me a good insight into the lies that many parties throw about, and how the truth is often bent to make it appear useful for political purposes.