Skeptic Project

Finally,

You hate Jews.

Prove this claim.

It is the invention of a collection of long-time anti-Semites and apologists for Hitler.

Ok, so I see that I am the latter. In some cases it could be both, but not this time.

Article:

They assert, however, that the anti-Semitic actions of the Nazi government were in large part a legitimate response to Jewish misdeeds and disloyalty during wartime.

Well then ask me this. If they were tortured and killed it was not excusable. But why would Nazis put them in camps and only after several years decide to kill them? Maybe there was a plan to create Israel, but the British controlled that land, in which Israel is now in.

The term is completely descriptive of you.

Yes, but it is misleading for most people that hear it the first time.

If it doesn't paint the Nazis as heroes and the Jews as subhumans, it's "incompetent history" anyway, right?

I care only on whoever raises the standard of life. Today's Israel still receives reparations, I doubt that it all goes to the victims, but even if they do, it doesn't paint a picture on their standard of life.

You can find me at the University of Oregon, McKenzie Hall, office 340C. My office hours for this term have not yet been established but I suspect they will be Tuesday or Wednesday in the early afternoon. This term I will be teaching two discussion sections of History 201.

And I even more doubt that you would lie with this. :D
Sadly, that's in USA. Sure, I could got to my uncle that is a historian, who's workplace is at a medieval castle, but I doubt he would know the answers to such specific questions.
There is also the possibility of a video chat. But let's talk about that only after I go through the materials, if it will be even necessary.

You won't accept these links either

I will if they are made by qualified historians. So scratch for Nizkor of which the author is an unknown collector.

overcome your racism

...and once again, of whom?...

Know that I will still be an apologist, even if my questions will be answered. Since I firmly believe a nation could do what the Third Reich did to raise their standard of living as I described in that other thread, without torture, killings or war.

> The sheer volume of documentary evidence of it

One might ask, has anyone actually looked at any of the evidence, particularly first generation evidence.. eg. photos of the scenes before, during, after the war, blueprints of the camps, eqiupment orders, conflicting reports by inmates..

> nor will I discuss the individual issues that Holocaust deniers bring up

Well, thats scientific isn't it!

> library containing numerous scholarly books about the Holocaust

That'll be cherry picked items no doubt to confirm one particular view of history..

Unless you count books also by scholars giving other views..

> I'm done with this topic.

What a coincidence, so am I!

Now, which of us look like complete pillocks..

Kinda reminds me of Saddams weapons of mass destruction..

So much evidence, we went to war because of it..

Now, where is that evidence..

(I was slightly tempted to pencil in WMD and an arrow when I got Saddams Palace's blueprints out of the filing cabinet..)

History as they say is written by the victors..

> I firmly believe a nation could do what the Third Reich did to raise their standard
> of living as I described in that other thread, without torture, killings or war.

This is what mainly interests me.

History I find is useful though for trying to learn what we did wrong and not to repeat it, though I have noticed that sometimes history isn't quite recorded correctly and its thus harder to figure out just what we should be learning!

The parallels with TZM and how it distorts TZM related historical events is perhaps interesting, especially as this very forum is treated by TZM as if we are the naughty Nazi types..

@Sil the Shill I agree with you on both parts. Nanos and Pendrokar Phail

Didn't we have this exact 'challenge' before and you backed down?

> Didn't we have this exact 'challenge' before and you backed down?

Sure, and this time I'm calling you lot out on it.

I'd pick Brenton as a trustworthy enough person to risk showing my ID to, will you take his word for it ?

> the Jewish people, are the one's who wrote their own stories.

What about the many Gypsy's that got dispatched, are there not plenty of their own stories, only I'm not sure how many of those got killed, perhaps we can come up with some reasonable estimate ?

I'll start start the bidding at half a million..

http://www.buzzle.com/editorials/11-28-2004-62262.asp

These anti semitic claims are very common on forums like stormfront. Just curious if you guys are white nationalists or similar, or if you sympathize with these types of groups?

Alright just shot a e-mail to media@thezeitgeistmovement.com

and

shot one on this website

http://www.thezeitgeistmovement.com/joomla/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=29&Itemid=67

Can anybody else think of more people I can contact to shoot e-mails too? I'm going to correspond with the ohio chap leader about this soon enough.

"Secret" is pretty broad. "Not shown on regular TV"-secret, "Can't find it on Google"-secret or "Secret enough to get on Wikileaks"-secret?

LoL @Sky

That was a good one

Just shot a message to globalmods@thezeitgeistmovement.com awaiting for a response.

Shot a e-mail to adude requesting help.

@Muertos

I wonder which one needs the therapy? As I don't seem to have a problem right now but I see you may have one.

@Matt

>:(

I have no idea what's going on in this thread. I saw that Pendrokar and Nanos are both posting in it, so it probably pretty much sucks.

You probably just got caught up in the funk generated by Holocaust deniers. Once they de-rail a thread its ruined.