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NanosPosted: Sep 27, 2010 - 21:08
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http://www.thezeitgeistmovement.com/joomla/index.php?option=com_kunena&Itemid=99999&func=view&catid=60&id=154760&limit=10&limitstart=70#291674

> User Ant suspended indefinetly.
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> Reason: Is not a member of the movement, and is obviously trying to recruit for other
> efforts that are not pertinent to TZM.

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The Burger KingPosted: Sep 28, 2010 - 00:52
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I can't stop posting pictures of poop, what the fuck is wrong with me?

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who exactly is he? Have any previous posts he made? I remember something in Peter Merola's topic called "no one gets it" where a guy mentions RBEF and RBOSE, I check back later and I no longer see the post I believe I have a archive of that. Looks like the censor anybody talking about RBEF or RBOSE but I'm unsure if it was ant doing it.

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CyborgJesusPosted: Sep 28, 2010 - 01:00
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His name is Tony, he has a (very basic) website with some suggestions about building communes and making group decisions.

I once talked to him on Skype to give him some tips on how to market his 3D-printer and he seemed like a nice guy with some good ideas.

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oreolvrsPosted: Sep 28, 2010 - 10:30
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"I remember something in Peter Merola's topic called "no one gets it" where a guy mentions RBEF and RBOSE, I check back later and I no longer see the post I believe I have a archive of that. Looks like the censor anybody talking about RBEF or RBOSE but I'm unsure if it was ant doing it."

And you want to be a member of this movement because??

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Edward L WinstonPosted: Sep 28, 2010 - 13:51
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President Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho: porn star and five-time ultimate smackdown wrestling champion!

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Peter Joseph is a hero guys, it's true, people say it on the forums all the time. All heroes censor mentions of things they disagree with, I mean, that's obvious.

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EdPosted: Sep 28, 2010 - 14:31
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You arent banned just for disagreeing with the, oh no that's nonsense...

"Reason: Is not a member of the movement"

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NanosPosted: Sep 30, 2010 - 02:13
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http://www.thezeitgeistmovement.com/joomla/index.php?option=com_kunena&Itemid=99999&func=view&catid=229&id=292056#292114

Which links to:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qOpJC7hy-8&

I don't really know why they get labelled communist though, looks more like profit sharing to me!

Low and behold... is VTV going to be the next person banned for mentioning about communes ?

Ant wants to build one, and here is an example of one!

A working one at that..

For some of their income they make hammocks and sell $3.5 million worth of them a year I hear!

But, they do have to work 43 hours a week..

And what else is this in the thread, shock horror!

Someone actually lives there and is on the TZM forums!

Quick, someone ban him for talking about communes...

For those interested, a bit more digging finds out that when they changed over from a dictatorship model to a democracy based one, it appears they voted out the person who helped start it and who wanted to continue to see it expand..

I guess they was happy once all the housing was up, that no one really wanted to push the envelope much and develop a cure for cancer or anything..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kat_Kinkade</p>

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/27/us/27kinkade.html</p>

She then left when they voted against installing air conditioning.. (Apparently its very hot there..)

She then started up another commune or two I hear, one of which was:

http://www.eastwind.org/</p>

This caught my eye about it:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:East_Wind_Community

> I had the horid experience of visiting Eastwind a few years back. It's a beautiful
> place and the food is good depending on who is doing the cooking. The people however
> leave a lot to be desired. It is not one big happy family as they may lead you to
> believe. Many of the members are alchoholics. Also they have a resident pot dealer
> who sells to the members as one of his"jobs". Then there are the pill poppers who
> keep to themselves. New years eve brought out the LSD as they spiked the wine with it
> and passed it around. If you do visit, DO NOT BRING ANY PERSONAL BELONGINGS OR A CAR.
> I was invited there to visit and made the mistake of bringing my things. I had my car > vandalized and some of my things broken and stolen. They get very little pay (just
> enough to buy their pot and alchohol) so if you dont keep track of your stuff, it
> will dissapear. Most of the members will not talk to you because they just don't
> care, especially the older ones who have been there a while. If you do visit and
> become a member, it is very hard to leave because you get stuck there with no way to
> save money and if you want to leave, you end up with no money to start a new life.
> They make extra money away from the farm on their vacation time participating in
> medical drug studies. This seemed to be something many of them did because they had a
> booklet they were passing around about with the latest studies they could get into.
> They also seem to sweep some things under the carpet rather than notifying the
> police. They don't to my knowledge do background checks on the visitors or members.
> People come in and choose a new name for themselves and you have no idea who any of
> these people really are or why they are there. While I was there I was told by a
> friend about one member who was caught being a peeping tom and nothing was done about
> it. I have read other stories online about abuse and violence though I didn't witness
> any physical abuses, I did see a fair amout of drunken shouting matches. —Preceding
> unsigned comment added by 97.96.121.160 (talk) 19:47, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

Kinda makes me think of what a TZM community could be like if you let it get that bad..

Also reminds me a little of where I live at the moment, which I suppose could be described as community living.. (Loads of people crammed into a single house..)

To be fair though, one of my new neighbours did help me briefly the other day chop down a tree that was growing up through some cycles of ours, he asked if I was Polish and seemed confused when I mentioned I was born here and not Polish!

Yes, believe it or not, native Britains can live in poverty too..

Anyhow, a review of mentioned community:

http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/ngm/0508/feature7/index.html</p>

> they run a business making nut butters—peanut, almond, cashew, macadamia—that
> annually generates $500,000 in profits

Nice :-)

Shouldn't TZM being doing something like that...

Back to the TZM thread:

> Had they the resources for automation, it may have been a different story, and
> might have been more like an RBE society.

Perhaps some can see (Probably everyone here at least..) that if they made more money, they could afford automation, eg. they could head towards RBE.. (Whatever that is..)

> When it comes time to start our first community we must look and research at previous
> communes and alternative living arrangements. There have mostly failures, and we will
> only have one shot at this. Planners of the first community must learn from all the
> success and failures of prior attempts and thus make the system with the least amount
> of problems.

Ah, that one shot thing again..

As if you can't make a mistake, try again.

> a lot of people here have been suggesting the construction of the first city

Indeed.. (And apparently being banned for it..)

(But wait, VTV is talking about, and going to do a radio show about intentional communities, so now its ok ?)

> a very large part of what makes the RBE model work , and cut down dramatically on the
> amount of hours anyone needs to put into making the social structure work for the
> people, and provide for all within, is the automation, which would cost a great deal
> of money to implement from within our current economical structure.

Indeed yes, lots of money..

So, we had better push the envelope a little and start more businesses, I quite fancy a car factory myself and was pondering just last night how I might get my workers doing only 20 hours work a week and provide them with free housing, perhaps I could even build a geothermal power station to supply juice to the homes and factory!

I was pondering a courtyard design for the housing, with maybe the factory underground in the middle, so topside its a park, as residents around here want parks they say on former industural sites..

> Which is why in his radio address today, Peter said, we must tread lightly and
> carefully.

Yes, heaven forbid we might go from being homeless or living in dreadful cockroach infested overcrowded conditions with the threat of being homeless tomorrow, to a nice plush apartment like our dear friend PJ enjoys..

Twin Oaks doesn't appear to have treaded carefully...

Yet no NWO hitsquad has decended upon them and Waco style removed them..

People seem to be building communes and communities left right and centre..

Even Henry Ford wanted to!

Sounds quite capitalist to me..

Its perhaps of note that Twin Oaks at one point had a variable work schedual, I guess to deal with the supply and demand issue of dealing with shortages of labour in specific areas, eg. perhaps not enough toilet cleaners, so lower the amount of working hours you need to do if you do that..

Now they have a, equal work approach, so if you do hard labour of 40 odd hours, its considered the same as if you sit and look after kids for the same amount of time..

Not sure how that would work on a larger scale myself..

Also to note:

http://www.twinoaks.org/FAQ.html#econ</p>

> Our tax status reflects our income-sharing--we are a 501(d) entity which is based on
> having a shared treasury, and is similar to a monastery.

For those interested, there are some articles about it whose index page seems to have vanished, but none the less are still visible here:

http://www.twinoaks.org/community/media/articles</p>

One such person who once lived there and since left, has this site:

http://www.fourhourday.org

Meanwhile, a short google away is this:

http://www.salon.com/books/feature/2010/08/15/in_utopia_interview</p>

> New Songdo City, which is slated to be finished in 2015, is the most expensive
> private real estate venture in the world

Meanwhile, I was looking up about basalt rebar and stumbled across this:

http://nextbigfuture.com/2010/08/10000-monolithic-dome-ecoshells-for.html</p>

Which links to:

http://www.dftw.org/stories/indonesias-first-dome-village</p>

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7215853930650353093#

Hopefully some of this is useful to VTV if he is watching :-)

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The Burger KingPosted: Sep 30, 2010 - 05:11
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I can't stop posting pictures of poop, what the fuck is wrong with me?

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haha interviewing communist is a good start to VTV's political career in america as well as good PR for the Zeitgeist movement and venus project because that's what their all about.

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CyborgJesusPosted: Sep 30, 2010 - 05:26
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Just bought the book, thanks for the link.

Finally something else to read than business literature.

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AltonPosted: Oct 01, 2010 - 10:47
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I warned Ant months ago that his statements about Jacque and the movement not being active with concrete solutions and him mentioning his own path will get him banned, and it finally happened.

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