Skeptic Project

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QYLLFpNn4lM

Dunno if there is a shorter version, 6mins?! urgh...

Isn't the purpose of trailers to excite you?

I should be in the States at January, maybe I'll attend a screening, just to voice my opinion and make clear that TZM ain't the only fish in the sea.

OH MAN THIS IS TOTALLY GONNA BLOW UP AT THE BOX OFFICE, MAN THEY'LL GET TRILLIONS OF MEMBERS!

Couldn't we just watch Money Masters or America: Freedom to Fascism, then follow it up with Zeitgeist II and get the same content? Maybe that's how he made this one.

In any case, I'm still waiting for how wishful thinking and spreading the word is going to change the world. Even MLK, Jr who is quoted in the video did more than nothing. Could you imagine if the civil rights movement consisted of making three movies and a bunch of newspaper articles?

I'll eat my hat if Peter Joseph provides some sort of actual plan for doing something other than spreading the word and gathering members. You can see how even some of the most liberal and technologically inclined young people respond to TZM:

http://conspiracyscience.com/forums/topic/tzm-invades-dailyshow-and-colbertnation-websites</p>

And tabula rasa, come on, we're still on that?

God, ed, you just don't get it!

I've gotta agree that it defies what would be expected of a trailer, and not necessarily in a good way.

agreed @ CS.

I also forgot to point out that I stopped the video after about 20 seconds to post this thread and then forgot about it, I had to make myself go back and continue to watch. I really did hope it would get more interesting. I mean srsly...

It's already time to start calling bullshit

In the trailer, at 2:21, the narrator says "There are roughly 2 million people incarcerated in this country. Many of them are in prisons run by private corporations."

I decided to check out these numbers and the assertion being made here. Indeed, according to the Bureau of Justice statistics, there are 2.3 million people currently incarcerated in the United States (or less than 1% of the total American population). Now, according to "Corrections in the 21st Century" by F. Schmalleger and J Smykla, about 99,000 of those inmates are in private prisons. That is 4.3% of the total inmate population. How exactly does that constitute "many" of the total prisoner population? Indeed, private prisons are under a lot of scrutiny and are not widely accepted in the United States. This is pretty disingenuous on the narrator's part.

I notce googling "zeitgeistmovingforward" that it only comes up some 500+ times, with more than 54,000+ youtube views and growing quite rapidly, at least people are watching it..

Though like book sales, we have to ask, are they watching it to the end :-)

I wonder where all those people heard of it from ?

(They, TZM never seem to ask folk that question, I wonder if they even collect webstats to show just where their fans come from.)

I notice on their site it says:

> This large scale release is not associated with any major distributor.

I wonder if that is a result of careful planning, or did no one want to take it..

Considering its to make money for local chapters, of course, its careful planning!

Wait, did I hear that correctly, making money is going to be the next in thing!

As long of course, its spent on spreading the word purposes...

Just like what VTV is doing..

So, all we have to do to justify spending some of the profits from PJ's film is to declare we are spreading the word, and we too can have our rent paid, is that it ?

After all, doesn't PJ pay his rent that way too ?

Well, he might, but we don't know do we, he doesn't answer that question..

Perhaps we should swap VTV for PJ, at least VTV is more upfront with us.

And come to think of it, PJ would probably be a better radio show person.

Isn't the TVP future, one where who is best qualified/experiened is in charge ?

Well, I reckon VTV should replace PJ, and PJ should replace VTV, only if VTV could insist all TZM folk receiving TZM related funds (That includes the UK folk helping Fresco with his film, who got a shiney new PC from TVP, how much was it, did they get anything else, why are we not told how Fresco is throwing his money away? (I mean, purposefully giving it to helpful folk who cannot afford a PC...)) detail transparency wise whose getting it, how much and what for.

But, as this isn't a democracy, we cannot vote VTV in..

But.. I'm not clear on if its a dictatorship, and if the person at the top thinks no one else can do the job better, and we think otherwise, how will they ever let someone else take charge ?

At least with democracy for all of its flaws, means we could vote someone else in..

Trouble is, in practice of course, we wouldn't vote VTV in, we'd vote in, lets see, Ben from the UK, he sounds great, but is probably one of the most useless people out there..

Here is a link to a video of when he was on the UK The Plinth event:

http://www.webarchive.org.uk/wayback/archive/20100223130343/http://www.oneandother.co.uk/participants/zeitgeist

Do bare in mind that no one was bothered to actually post this link on the UK Z site at all, I even asked for it! and then the entire thread about it was deleted.. (Perhaps folk was just too embarressed..)

Even the first one was better!

Oh let me dig that out..

(Interestingly, it was briefly mentioned on SKY TV with the immortal words of something like 'That Eco guy' when describing what he was standing for.. again no one was interested much in the subject either on the UK Z forums, I guess publicity not being one of their strong points..)

No wait, I can't seem to find any reference to it...

If your bored, you could find it by checking out each and every entry here:

http://www.webarchive.org.uk/wayback/archive/20100223121747/http://www.oneandother.co.uk/participants/day?day=2010-02-23

Its the one with the blow up globe in it, is what I remember, though I've not actually watched it, just seen a few seconds of it on TV.

It's already time to start calling bullshit

In the trailer, at 2:21, the narrator says "There are roughly 2 million people incarcerated in this country. Many of them are in prisons run by private corporations."

I decided to check out these numbers and the assertion being made here. Indeed, according to the Bureau of Justice statistics, there are 2.3 million people currently incarcerated in the United States (or less than 1% of the total American population). Now, according to "Corrections in the 21st Century" by F. Schmalleger and J Smykla, about 99,000 of those inmates are in private prisons. That is 4.3% of the total inmate population. How exactly does that constitute "many" of the total prisoner population? Indeed, private prisons are under a lot of scrutiny and are not widely accepted in the United States. This is pretty disingenuous on the narrator's part.

First of all, good job and thank you for looking that up. When I heard it, I too wondered if that was correct.

Secondly, Merola's wording is not improper. 99,000 is still "many". It is misleading, however, because private corporations trying to incarcerate people does not lead to anything I can see as appalling. So, the companies want to lock up criminals... ok? What has Merola proven these corporations of doing wrong?

If Merola has no concrete evidence of malpractice, then he's simply fear-mongering over the potential for these private corporations to use their position for evil. This is no different from saying Obama knows some socialists or that the Fed could be stealing money.

Associations logically mean nothing without evidence. I guess we'll have to wait till January to see the piles of proof Merola has compiled.

Could you give a brief explanation of how they were unfairly incarcerated? We're they found guilty for crimes they didn't commit?

lol, Michael Ruppert!

Could you give a brief explanation of how they were unfairly incarcerated? We're they found guilty for crimes they didn't commit?

A few of the teens claimed they were given an improper hearing, weren't allowed to speak at the hearing, were given harsher than normal sentences. They thought the judge was being paid off - saying his attitude was that of having already decided to put them away at the beginning of the trial. Also, they were somehow kept imprisoned past their official release dates.

Looks like there's an actual trial on the case too, and the judges pleaded guilty:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29142654/<br /> http://www.timesleader.com/news/hottopics/judges/Ciavarella_and_Conahan_enter_federal_court_in_Scranton.html</p>

EDIT: obviously, for the record, I do still think PJ's quote is misleading - the word "many" invoking in most peoples' mind a proportion of a lot more than 4.3%.

I'm definitely interested to see the film, I remember ZII really catching me off guard with the Venus Project stuff, I was really surprised, I was expecting Ron Paul due to PJ's previous leanings.

^We could probably watch Mike Ruppert's Collapse and it would be the same thing as Z3 or at least one segment. If you notice, there is sort of a pattern to how PJ makes his movies. He seems to pick 3 or 4 other movies and then throws them together into one movie.

For Zeitgeist 1 he used:
The God Who Wasn't There
Loose Change
America: Freedom to Fascism
Endgame

Zeitgeist 2:
Web of Debt
Confessions of an Economic Hitman (a book this time)
Future By Design

Doesn't Peter Merola list the movies or sources he uses on something? a website? a .pdf?