Skeptic Project

The allure of eradicating money is addicting to those who cannot make any.

That doesn't make any sense. The whole idea behind the Resource Based Economy was that people wouldn't need money because automation would replace all the jobs and make resources infinitely abundant and everyone could do whatever they want.

I think he'll drop TVP soon and purely focus on intelligent resource management systems. Something like "Hey, TVP is cool, but we really gotta focus on this right now".

TVP clearly relies on scenarios in which technology is so efficient that there's practically no management of resources needed. In all other cases, free access to resources and goods has been proven to stop working at societies over a few hundred people.

If you take technology out of the picture, efficient accumulation, distribution and limitation of resources becomes the center of the whole system and deciding who gets what, when you take maximum profit out of the list of priorities, the most important question to be answered.

> Why the whole no money crap?

I think its classic scape goat terrority, eg. you need something to blame other than to point the finger at yourselves for not working hard enough.

> I was able to convince my roommate of this direction after
> exposing him to the reprap online.

What is needed of course, is a reprap in our hot little hands so we can build the future, rather than watching everyone else enjoy their lives and ours without it.

Note, yes I am intending to help the design of one with others.

> The transition is going to be extremely difficult

Indeed, can you please fire the starting pistol and get all 400,000+ TZM folk doing something to build it!

> If I was in a RBE I would be everywhere trying to help...
> I would be learning everything.

I would take a nice long holiday, perhaps several years, and then every now and then when I felt like it, help out alittle, but otherwise I'd enjoy my life with pinics in the forest and watching movies on TV.

I might learn one or two things well, but I wouldn't knock myself out for it, as life is too short to not enjoy it as much as you can.

> Remember after 911 - There were 1000s of volunteers down there
> trying to help and find bodies.

Funny how people want to help with that, but hardly anyone wants to help the homeless...

> This is the true "nature" of the human being.

Or it couldbe a sign of jumping on the bandwagon and showing people how much you care.

And hoping no one asks, 'So Joe, does this mean you will come down the shelter tonight and wash bums for us?'..

> Couldn't care less. Unless they are ready to come down and
> help out, who gives a shit.

A comment equally at home towards TZM itself :-)

> You just couldn't get enough people to do the dirty and
> the dangerous jobs.

I'm somewhat in agreement with that, though at RBEF, someone did come up with a solution to that very issue which I think might just work. (Needs testing..)

> Would it be safe to say that one of the movements top
> proprieties is to feed starving human beings. If we plan to
> do this as quickly as possible, given we as a whole come to
> an understanding on what needs to be done first.

Oh dear, a sensible voice..

Ban stick anyone...

> How do you plan to reach a goal without plotting a path to
> get there

Whoops, another dissident..

> Fresco has talked about intermediate steps to feed the world
> through nutrient rich synthesis- Not very tasty - but it would
> get the job done.

You know, I@m starving, when can we start ?

> If the UN gave a damn, that is what they would finance now

Replace UN with TZM..

> air dropped by the ton into the impoverished world.

One of the slight problems with that is that it tends to destroy the local economny and farmers income..

> Actions through critical mass

And if you never get it, plan B ?

Look at Technocracy US, they tried for what, 100 years to get critical mass, they failed, did they do something wrong, or is it just not realistic to get a critical mass and you have to find some other route to success.

> I see these pockets of altruism which tend to spring up,
> from apparently no where.

It would be nice of TZM encouraged and help develop those, instead of banning people with those tendancies. (Or indeed who are actually doing it, like they did with one person who spend money on housing for the homeless.)

Free food, funny one should mention that, amazing what religions are doing these days eh..

http://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/Gurdwara</p>

> free community kitchen serves meals to anyone who visits
> this Sikh institution.

They are already helping people, sadly just down the road from me, the thousands that turn up for free food, they are unable to feed them all.

Why are there not TZM free food stalls ?

Religions can organise it, but 400,000+ TZM folk cannot ?

Also, this made me lol:

did anyone see any ufos yesterday? I saw that one in new york online. what is your take on ufos peter? you think false flag? or just something unexplainable.

Edit: I don't know what these kids see in Merola. He's pretentious as all hell when he responds to them. Do they not realize what kind of lifestyle this dude leads while he's convincing them of all this pie in the sky bullshit? The dude's living it up all the while convincing these poor suckers how terrible everything is. His rent alone is probably more than most of these kids make in a year. That's pretty shitty and exploitative.

DONT YOU TALK TO ME THAT WAY YOU AMERICA HATIN SOCIALIST