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Senor DingdongPosted: Jan 17, 2011 - 18:33
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If I just wanted that Matt, I'd move back to Holland. The reason I lived there for so long is because my Dutch mother moved us there at the age of 6 after she divorced my dad.

The advantages to legalising pot are numerous, first and foremost to stop demonising people who smoke it and stop filling out prisons with these folks who are by and large harmless and creating a HUGE tax revenue and many jobs with minimum downsides.

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Agent MattPosted: Jan 17, 2011 - 18:34
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Yeah because its just so easy to move to Holland.

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Senor DingdongPosted: Jan 17, 2011 - 18:47
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I'm fluent in Dutch & English, I have friends and family there who would be happy to accomadate me and family until I found a new job. My daughter is 11 months old, and my girlfriend who is an immigrant here in Ireland herself has been playing with the thought of emigration for years now.

I could pack my bags tomorrow if I was a selfish, juvenile pothead.

Just give me a bloody good reason why pot should remain illegal instead of trying to insult me.

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Agent MattPosted: Jan 17, 2011 - 18:52
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Because its harmful and just because two harmful substances are illegal does not automatically mean another one should be.

Also, I don't believe you could just pack your bags and move to Holland. I think you're a liar.

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BrentonPosted: Jan 17, 2011 - 18:54
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^ Antagonist ;)

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Sil the ShillPosted: Jan 17, 2011 - 18:55
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"The advantages to legalising pot are numerous, first and foremost to stop demonising people who smoke it and stop filling out prisons with these folks who are by and large harmless and creating a HUGE tax revenue and many jobs with minimum downsides. "

If you wanted to reduce the amount of people filling up the prisons, then you could opt for the decriminalization route.

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BrentonPosted: Jan 17, 2011 - 18:59
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I think the top reason it shouldn't be a criminal drug is that it's the least harmful of any drug, in the sense that resulting death from using marijuana is almost 100% impossible. Unless you smoke it really bad and it gives you a mental disorder and you commit suicide or become Jared Loughner.

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Senor DingdongPosted: Jan 17, 2011 - 19:16
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It's not fucking Afghanistan, it's Holland. How hard do you think it is for an EU citizen to move there even without a word of Dutch in their vocabulary?!

It's called a double standard to legalise fast food, tobacco, alcohol, caffeine etc and not legalise cannabis. Eating pot noodle in excess will probably harm you too at some point.

@ Sil, you're right that decriminalization would sort out the prison issue, but legalisation brings other benefits as mentioned before.

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Agent MattPosted: Jan 17, 2011 - 19:18
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No its not a double standard.

Also I still don't even believe you have the money for a plane ticket to Holland, much less a place to live when you got there.

This is what pot does to your brain, folks.

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Senor DingdongPosted: Jan 17, 2011 - 19:27
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Were you raped by a pothead at some point?! Jesus christ.

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Agent MattPosted: Jan 17, 2011 - 19:27
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Is that all ya got?

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Senor DingdongPosted: Jan 17, 2011 - 19:31
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This thread isn't about you or me.

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Sil the ShillPosted: Jan 17, 2011 - 19:33
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Senor: What are some of the benefits that legalization would bring? I looked through the thread and all I saw was taxation... but anything can be taxed and I don't feel that's a compelling argument in and of itself.

"Cannabis is a harmful substance that will cause changes in the brain with prolonged use."

Matt, do you have some sources on that? I'd like to read up on it some more.

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Agent MattPosted: Jan 17, 2011 - 19:36
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Yeah, Google.

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Sil the ShillPosted: Jan 17, 2011 - 19:37
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Thought you might have had something off the top of your head.

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BrentonPosted: Jan 17, 2011 - 19:38
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Just Google it, Sil. It's not hard to find medical information on it leading to a depression or such things as disassociation disorders, etc,.

Matt is right about the money thing. If I wasn't on student benefits I'd have to move home because I wouldn't be able to afford to live. i exhausted my savings in 6 months. I spent like, $4,000 in 6 weeks. That's really bad for someone my age and income bracket lol.

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Agent MattPosted: Jan 17, 2011 - 19:39
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http://www.nida.nih.gov/NIDA_Notes/NN0058.html</p>

Legalization will provide no substantial benefit in regards to tax revenue or stopping crime. The cartels who smuggle it would simply undercut the legal stores and continue doing what they do now.

Legalization proponents are just selfish shitheads who don't want to grow up.

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Sil the ShillPosted: Jan 17, 2011 - 19:43
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Brenton, I'm aware of google and how to use it. :P

Just thought I'd ask to see if there was any particularly good article to read over.

And if anyone wants to scream "BIAS" at Matt's link, then I also have this:

http://www.cannabisnews.org/united-states-cannabis-news/legalizing-pot-would-hardly-dent-cartels-revenue/</p>

Straight from the stoned horse's mouth.

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Agent MattPosted: Jan 17, 2011 - 19:46
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The link was the information you requested.

The stuff about the cartels is just common sense.

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Sil the ShillPosted: Jan 17, 2011 - 19:49
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Oh sorry, your follow up made me think it was relating to tax revenues/crime.

Thanks though, gonna look through that right now.

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MuertosPosted: Jan 17, 2011 - 19:50
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Please, not the legalization debate AGAIN. *rolls eyes*

I really don't give a rip whether it's legalized or not. It won't make a damn bit of difference one way or another. There is virtually no issue in the Western world that could possibly be less important than whether pot is legal or illegal.

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Agent MattPosted: Jan 17, 2011 - 19:50
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Muertos is right.

We just had this debate and the legalization proponents were stomped.

End of story.

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AKBastardPosted: Jan 17, 2011 - 19:55
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There is growing evidence that people with serious mental illness, including depression and psychosis, are more likely to use cannabis or have used it for long periods of time in the past. Regular use of the drug has appeared to double the risk of developing a psychotic episode or long-term schizophrenia. However, does cannabis cause depression and schizophrenia or do people with these disorders use it as a medication?

Over the past few years, research has strongly suggested that there is a clear link between early cannabis use and later mental health problems in those with a genetic vulnerability - and that there is a particular issue with the use of cannabis by adolescents.

Depression

A study following 1600 Australian school-children, aged 14 to 15 for seven years, found that while children who use cannabis regularly have a significantly higher risk of depression, the opposite was not the case - children who already suffered from depression were not more likely than anyone else to use cannabis. However, adolescents who used cannabis daily were five times more likely to develop depression and anxiety in later life.

Schizophrenia

Three major studies followed large numbers of people over several years, and showed that those people who use cannabis have a higher than average risk of developing schizophrenia. If you start smoking it before the age of 15, you are 4 times more likely to develop a psychotic disorder by the time you are 26. They found no evidence of self-medication. It seemed that, the more cannabis someone used, the more likely they were to develop symptoms.

Why should teenagers be particularly vulnerable to the use of cannabis? No one knows for certain, but it may be something to do with brain development. The brain is still developing in the teenage years – up to the age of around 20, in fact. A massive process of ‘neural pruning’ is going on. This is rather like streamlining a tangled jumble of circuits so they can work more effectively. Any experience, or substance, that affects this process has the potential to produce long-term psychological effects.

Recent research in Europe, and in the UK, has suggested that people who have a family background of mental illness – and so probably have a genetic vulnerability anyway - are more likely to develop schizophrenia if they use cannabis as well.

http://www.rcpsych.ac.uk/mentalhealthinfo/problems/alcoholanddrugs/cannabis.aspx

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Senor DingdongPosted: Jan 17, 2011 - 19:56
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Besides taxation, there will be the oppertunity to create many jobs.

Medical users who claim it helps them cope with pain and appetite issues after chemo or during illness will be able to get it freely without fearing legal backlash. (granted, that's already possible in some places, but there are many other places where it's not implemented)

People who choose to smoke it will be able to buy a better quality product (and by that I mean with less of the chemical enhancers etc used by dealers) and will not have to deal with the sometimes dangerous people selling it.

It will free up time, money and manpower amongst the police force and that can be spent elsewhere.

Don't take my word for it, the Dutch government which is a modern democracy with a high standard of living apparently sees enough benefits to legalise it for several decades now.

To end, I don't see any point in denying people the right to use it when it's so harmless. Even if taxation was the only benefit, I feel it would still be a reason to legalise it.

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Agent MattPosted: Jan 17, 2011 - 19:56
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You're just fucking daydreaming man. You have absolutely no data to back up any of your positions.

Shut up.

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Senor DingdongPosted: Jan 17, 2011 - 19:59
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It's the principle Muertos, I will never be affected by the recognition of gay marriage, but I feel strongly that homosexuals should have the ability to legally get married if they wish to.

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Agent MattPosted: Jan 17, 2011 - 20:00
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Look at this dude conflating homosexuality with pot smoking. What a little dickhead.

I hope Muertos smacks the shit out of you for that, son. That is so beyond offensive. This is why legalization proponents are selfish assholes.

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Senor DingdongPosted: Jan 17, 2011 - 20:04
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It's far from the same thing, you're right. Bad example.

Why aren't you out campaigning to get alcohol banned if you're so concerned with people's health you loopy cunt?

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Agent MattPosted: Jan 17, 2011 - 20:06
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You done fucked up.

Loopy cunt, huh? Son, you best walk away from this thread.

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MuertosPosted: Jan 17, 2011 - 20:08
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You seem to think (SD) that police spend so much of their time going after pot smokers.

They don't. At least in the US, pot possession is almost never a stand-alone charge. Whenever it is prosecuted (which is rare) it's almost always an add-on to an existing charge. Pot dealers aren't generally pursued either because they're so small potatoes that nobody gives a damn.

The gay marriage analogy is silly. Right to love and marry who you want is a basic human right. Right to smoke some drug that nobody cares about is just trivial.

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