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Agent MattPosted: Jan 21, 2011 - 16:25
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What aren't there more black people in your movie?

Friends,
I want to make a comment about a certain angle of critique I have come in contact with and expand this rather trivial issue into a more important cultural point which many out there seem not to get - even in this day and age.

During the premiere of Zeitgeist: Moving Forward in LA on Jan 15th, a very kind women politely asked me why there “were not more woman in my film”. I responded to the effect that “well - I have to go where the data is.” She, of course, related and I feel her question wasn't as much that she was offended by there not being “more women” in the film, but more to effect that others might feel some sort of bias by the fact. Fair enough, given the culture today.

So, I jump on a plane and go to New York City for the screenings there at Tribeca Cinemas. After the film ended on Jan 17th I was asked a similar question:

“Why aren't there more black people in your movie?”

At first, I thought he was joking. In fact, I spent a good couple of minutes making fun of the question...only to find he was, indeed, not joking. He really felt the need to understand why, in his view, there were not “more black people” in the film. So, of course, I explained that race is an arbitrary factor on all levels and that I simply do not recognize race anymore and the idea of “politically correct media” isn't a notion I care about for it is a contrivance which perpetuates a false need to be superficially “equal”... as though I should say to myself: “Hmmm - the film is good - but I think I need more woman, black people, native americans, middle easterners, jews, amish and handicapped people etc.”

That stated, I want to point out something: Data is data and the people who present it are arbitrary.

I'll state that again:

Data is data and the people who present it are arbitrary.

It doesn't matter who Peter Joseph is - what race he is or what his background is – what comes out of his mouth is DATA and each person must compute that data based on the merit of the data itself- not the machine (person) relaying it. The messenger is and will always be irrelevant. Humans are merely vehicles for information relay. They learn - they repeat / adjust based on the novel-ness of their life experience/frame of reference/understanding. Those who are biased against data because they don't “like” the prima facie identity of the person or entity communicating the data are engaging in what I call “INTELLECTUAL BIGOTRY”.

For example, Let's assume I do a movie on renewable energy and the featured person in the work who is discussing various mediums of renewables happens to be a Nazi... or a Scientologist or a Christian ... whatever. Does that mean the info they state is now suspect or biased? Is a film which has a Nazi in it suddenly a “Nazi film” regardless of the context?

Sadly, this is how many people comprehend in this culture. They don't want to think so they seek to isolate the person's assumed character (race/background/job/whatever) and attack that... rather than listen to what they say. And yes, I know, I'm Peter Joseph, the “arrogant” , “satanist”, “communist”, “new world order”, “asshole” “megalomaniac”, “cult leader”, “conspiracy theorist.”... but hey – guess what: even if all those labels were true: IT CHANGES NOTHING.

Data is data and if there is anything the public needs to snap out of, it's the belligerent bias of the “projected identity” notion that blinds people to actually listening/considering new information.

Now, with respect to the need for more “woman or black people” in my film I want to make a critical point: It is nothing but a racist/sexist disposition to demand that the vehicles of data transfer in a film or whatever are of a certain origin; in a “politically correct” context. Again - Data is data.
I call this “reverse racism/reverse bigotry”

Frankly, it is nothing but biased and racist for there to be “puerto rican day parades” or “Italian American day” It is nothing but biased and racist for there to be “black awareness month” It is nothing but biased and sexist for the idea of the “feminist” to exist in the arrogance it often does today. Aren't we interested in equality? If so- it means that you do not promote your “institution” of gender/race/ideology above others- it means you recognize the historical bias against you and work for it to be “neutralized” - not elevated in a vindictive/ego sense.

I remember reading about Martin Luther King Jr.'s apprehension to the idea of “Black Power”. He knew. He understood that to try to make your race/sex or the like “outstanding” is equality as biased as the oppressive forces that started the sad trend of inequality we see today.

Is there a dire need to generate more equality across race, gender and class lines? Yes. But that doesn't mean your race/gender/class happens to be “special”. We are human. Period.

http://www.thezeitgeistmovement.com/joomla/index.php?option=com_kunena&Itemid=99999&func=view&catid=229&id=312452

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Agent MattPosted: Jan 21, 2011 - 16:26
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Also, criticizing Zeitgeist now makes you a bigot.

But I do like how his Paultard side is poking out with his complaints about ethnic pride days and "reverse racism."

What a nut.... This guy is just getting worse.

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domokatoPosted: Jan 21, 2011 - 16:46
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it means you recognize the historical bias against you and work for it to be “neutralized"

I explained that race is an arbitrary factor on all levels and that I simply do not recognize race anymore

lol

For example, Let's assume I do a movie on renewable energy and the featured person in the work who is discussing various mediums of renewables happens to be a Nazi... or a Scientologist or a Christian ... whatever. Does that mean the info they state is now suspect or biased?

Not necessarily biased, but suspect, yes, especially if whatever they're talking about relates to their ideology.

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The Burger KingPosted: Jan 21, 2011 - 16:52
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I can't stop posting pictures of poop, what the fuck is wrong with me?

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Way to go Peter Merola for being a huge biggot. Of course this is in no way going to over shadow Jard Loughner being associated with the Zeitgeist Movement and with that association that Jared believed was the reason for committing such horrible acts to high status figures.

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Agent MattPosted: Jan 21, 2011 - 16:55
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Rich white dude from North Carolina no longer recognizes race.

Best of luck with that Merola!

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AKBastardPosted: Jan 21, 2011 - 16:56
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I always hated the term "reverse racism" or "reverse discrimination."

Racism is racism is racism. Where it comes from is irrelevant.

Oh, and Merola is a twit as always.

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Agent MattPosted: Jan 21, 2011 - 16:59
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"Reverse racism" is a bullshit wingnut term. It only exists in the minds of people trying to disguise their own racism.

But Merola's past Libertardian ties aren't news to anyone here, so I can't say I'm all that surprised. I'm sure Ron Paul has railed against "reverse racism" too.

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The Burger KingPosted: Jan 21, 2011 - 17:01
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I can't stop posting pictures of poop, what the fuck is wrong with me?

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I remember how Peter talked about people who live in trailer parks. I remember Peter talking about it in such contexts as he said "people who live in trailer parks can't control themselves and have a lot of kids". I thought that was a bit of a stretch
and a bit bad to say such things, then I really thought about and and VTV comes to mind and I began to reconsider such a notion (joking). No what he said is pretty bad and I believe the guy is more of a loon now.

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Agent MattPosted: Jan 21, 2011 - 17:02
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I'm not sure if he's a racist, but he clearly has contempt for the less privileged. This thing reads like something Pat Buchanan would write.

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AKBastardPosted: Jan 21, 2011 - 17:04
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Which is strange because he has flat out hatred for the wealthy.

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Wolf BirdPosted: Jan 21, 2011 - 17:07
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^That.

So much for compassion.

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domokatoPosted: Jan 21, 2011 - 17:13
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I think maybe he'll offend Brandy with this. It's okay Brandy, you're welcome here!

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Wolf BirdPosted: Jan 21, 2011 - 17:15
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Brandy? who is that?

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domokatoPosted: Jan 21, 2011 - 17:17
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look up "the zeitgeist challenge" on youtube (I can't link you from work).

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Wolf BirdPosted: Jan 21, 2011 - 17:18
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I see.

*A couple minutes later.*

Yay, so there ARE anti-zeitgeist people on youtube!

That said, some of the results seem to be a woo too. One says Zeitgeist is the illuminati. I sometimes dislike youtube. *cleans safari cache.*

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domokatoPosted: Jan 21, 2011 - 17:20
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I think she's pretty cute

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domokatoPosted: Jan 21, 2011 - 17:28
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Anonymous on youtube doesn't seem to like zm either. I suspect one of us is a member...

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Agent MattPosted: Jan 21, 2011 - 17:57
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Brandy isn't nearly as cute as the crazy LaRouche gal.

Although I would still stick it in her pooper. Then her mouth.

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Inside JobPosted: Jan 21, 2011 - 18:21
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I've said it before and I'll say it again...

Conspiracy theories are a "white people problem". And before you (everybody except matt) start calling me a bigot here's the definition.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=White%20People%20Problems

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domokatoPosted: Jan 21, 2011 - 18:42
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bigot

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Agent MattPosted: Jan 21, 2011 - 19:08
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"Conspiracy theories are a "white people problem"."

Conspiracy theories are huge in the Middle East. I don't know what you're talking about.

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MuertosPosted: Jan 21, 2011 - 19:26
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Conspiracy theories are a "white people problem".

Absolutely untrue.

Just before Richard Nixon was inaugurated in 1969, there were very prevalent rumors in the black community, especially inner cities, that Nixon planned to herd all black people in the US into internment camps (FEMA did not yet exist). The rumor was so widespread that Daniel Patrick Moynahan urged Nixon to refute it in his inauguration address.

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Agent MattPosted: Jan 21, 2011 - 19:28
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Not to mention conspiracy theories about the CIA flooding the inner cities with crack to destroy black people.

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EzPosted: Jan 21, 2011 - 20:17
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In a way that is true as alot of CTs are spread and believed by the Militia nuts and groups like Christian Identity, groups like the Nation of Islam believe that the "man" is keeping black people down and below the poverty line (the man = Jews, white people, etc) although as I've seen on the Facebook page this is a common CT belief anyway.

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Inside JobPosted: Jan 21, 2011 - 23:10
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thanks domokato

This is what I was refering to when I said "white people problems"

"...these problems affect (people) in the middle to upper class. This is when your life is so amazing, that you make shit up to be upset about."

What I was getting at is people with REAL problems (or common sense) don't carry on with such tripe.

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Sil the ShillPosted: Jan 21, 2011 - 23:12
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^ Haha, wow.

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Inside JobPosted: Jan 21, 2011 - 23:21
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^Which part?

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The Burger KingPosted: Jan 21, 2011 - 23:41
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I can't stop posting pictures of poop, what the fuck is wrong with me?

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@NWO Florist I'm sure nanos can explain this sort of situation of the CIA supplying drugs to black people better than I or you can explain.

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BrentonPosted: Jan 22, 2011 - 07:27
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I think it's so weird how you reinterpret things in order to paint them in a negative light. It's so clear that what he's trying to say is 'the number of black people I included is immaterial because race should not be an issue'. I mean it's understandable to be critical of the leader of something you're standing against, but the height of bad behaviour is to take their words and warp them to paint them badly.

It's just so clear that he's saying 'I am not racist, to the extent that I don't even think about race - I have overcome that barrier'.

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Agent MattPosted: Jan 22, 2011 - 08:35
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Would you say the same thing if that was written by Pat Buchanan?

Who am I kidding, you don't even know who Pat Buchanan is.

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