Skeptic Project

You're quite right, that appears to be the most common case.

Hahaha, I'm basically Vegan. I'D have a problem with a building made out of cows, nonetheless there's always compromise. :p

It's just that the degree to which we use them (and other animals) today is affecting global climate, unnecessarily. I like Peter Singer's treatment on these issues, personally.

Hahaha. Personally I don't find it -that- enjoyable.

I'd suggest finding a way to work small and local, and then find ways to advise people in other areas who want to do the same kind of stuff. Like in the example of a community garden, you could put up all of the plans and information you learned online afterwords so other people can learn from your experiences.

Brenton my estimations of your character have gone up 100% because of this thread, its actually a beautiful thing to see someone from the ZM assess their commitment to it realistically.

Seriously I wish you good luck on your escape from its nonsense, I went through what you are going through as well so dont worry about how many people you may have led astray with your advocating it, or how many people you may have upset along the way. You can fix this easily by doing exactly what you have done in this thread, simply be honest and humble with them.

Peace.

I haven't officialy left as of yet because I'm working on a series of articles that I'm going to share when I do: "Why I'm leaving The Zeitgeist Movement."

I would be careful what you say here Brenton, so they don't ban you before you can post your resignation on their site.

Very simply, if they ban me before I decide to leave of my own accord I'll upload all the sensitive stuff i've screenshotted. At this stage I only intend to do that if they ban me, or make a concerted attempt to smear me after I write this content.

Ed, it'll be on my website - but I'll have my personal domain reattached by the time this stuff is published.

They need to remember that I have one of the more popular ZM Twitter accounts (zeitgeistmvmnt), among other things - so to play games with me would be fairly lacking in perceptiveness.

For some reason it felt so appropriate that I was listening to Björk's 'Hidden Place' as I wrote that.

I've spoken to one of the Global Mods who's seen this post and been told I will be afforded respect (which, in my mind I deserve) and not be banned. We'll see.

I will be. They'll be posted on my personal website once I get it back up - currently at http://brentoneccles.wordpress.com but I'm going to start using my personal domain again: brentoneccles.com.

Going to make it uber-expressionate, that site. Get a photographer to photograph me and pay someone to design a custom layout. I've always wanted to do that, so when I move to mlb I will!

@steve.sojo:

"no affiliation to TZM or TVP"

Orly?

On the very first page:
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There's also this curious logo similarity here:
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Under Education / Online Documentaries menu we have great films promoting things such as:

Moon landing never happened
Aliens
Global Warming denialism

You have an entire section on conspiracies which promotes most of Alex Jones' back catalogue, Loose Change, Endgame and MANY MANY more.

What confuses me is that you also have contradictory films such as The 11th Hour or HOME, yet earlier you have Global Warming denial videos.

But it goes on, remember this is under the education tab. You have tons of videos promoting the paranormal after just linking to Richard Dawkins films. What the hell is up with that?

Why do so many Venus Project/Zeitgeist style supporters think its good to do this? I don't care that these videos were apparently submitted by members, I can be a member and post whatever crazy crap I like and yet you'll still link to it under the heading of "education", right?

Just what are you trying to accomplish with this "education"? Seems rather confusing to me.

Sorry Steve...

You HAVE associated with Zeitgeist and your website clearly promotes conspiracy theories by the bucket load and other paranormal beliefs.

How are you able to think you will find credible scientific support if you promote the kind of garbage like you do? How do you expect people to take you seriously? What other organisation that has had any success acts the way you guys do? And even if those videos are submitted by members, why admit that so many of your members are conspiracy theorists believing in crazy stuff?

This kind of attitude that the RBEF seems to have is the reason I left the Zeitgeist Movement, the reason why I also dislike yours is basically the same, it just wears slightly different clothes.

What RELEVANCE does the paranormal or conspiracies have with this resource based economy you are advocating? Its not like you are promoting two different ways to build a boat, a computer or transport system. Its utterly pointless and ultimately makes you look like lunatics to any sane person that spends more than 30 seconds browsing.

If you also look at our structure you will realize that we are attempting to be a mass research group to raise funds through auxillary bussines and donations for the study purpose if an RBE is feasible and the direction to go.

How are you going to carry out the study?

I wasn't aware that we were trying to get theorists on our side. Why don't you join and add videos that are not of that nature then?

Steve, you say:

"Why don't you join and add videos that are not of that nature then?"

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I'm hardly going to fight with you like I did with the Zeitgeist Movement and failed seeing as how all you want me to do is add some more videos to add to the pointless quagmire you already have there. You 100% do not understand how important credibility matters. I wouldnt even HAVE such a section on the website. For that reason I wouldn't have anything to do with you guys even if I agreed with your main goals.

As I asked before, what is the relevance in all those subjects to the Resource Based Economy and how will they help accomplish YOUR GOALS.

You want professional scientists and engineers to join right? You want real funding and grants right? HOW do you expect to get that with this current strategy, please explain how its helping!

You want to know the best way to go about things? For starters remove that ENTIRE video section or ONLY include specific RELEVANT documentaries and papers from mainstream scientific sources (rather than fringe conspiracy theorists) and remove ALL promotions of the Zeitgeist Movement. You don't have to ignore it entirely just say that this movement promotes something similar or something. There would be a long way to go even then, but unless you do that you will have already failed.

Harsh, maybe, but it has to be said.