Skeptic Project

Oh look, VTV is responding to me again.

What did I do differently, fatty?

That ego of yours is a hoot.

@ VTV

Listen sir, I'm on spring break, so I'm up till midnight tonight.

" I am also not a Libertal arts major. Nor is any majority of the movement. In fact one of my best friends in the movement is an Engineer working for NASA on the Space Shuttle program."

Why? Because most of you aren't majors in anything. Also, why bother brining up you're imaginary friends? There all in your head.

The Zeitgeist Movement is the world's only movement to have world wide events without a single media mention whatsoever.

I don't think I believe you, VTV.

VTV sure when I can be bothered I will link them here for everyone.

I think you just want capitalism to fail so you don't look poor and unsuccessful anymore.

"Yes, I do hate the United States." - VTV, Official Spokesman for The Venus Project

Before I start I'd like to say that, as a so called indoctrinated engineer, I really like the ideas of TVP. However, the revelations as of late have really started to question Jacque and Roxanne's motives.

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From VTV:
And so long as it was from someone who was not acting like a complete moron, I will be happy to answer it.
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Since I have yet to post in this thread, I guess my hands are clean. So allow me to (re) ask the important questions (and then some) posted earlier in this thread.

1.) I'm not aware if you ever made this clear or not, but VTV, do YOU believe in the 9/11 conspiracy theory? IN other words, do you believe that Zeitgeist 1's Part 2 section on 9/11 was factual?

2.) How can you still say that conspiracies have nothing to do with the movement when Peter Joseph has been quoted on your forums saying that they are a recruiting tool?

3.) Why would you ban/suspend people like Ed for talking against 9/11 but still allow others to speak pro-9/11? If its not about conspiracy, why let anyone talk about it at all? If conspiracy is allowed to be discussed, why not allow both sides? It looks like you guys are picking and choosing, but I'd like to hear your take on the situation.

4.) How can you say TZM is helping people when REAL activism isn't even asked for by its members? What about all the poor and hungry people NOW? I'm not saying that you all should organize a TZM food drive, but at least ask your members to donate a few hours a week (or even a month!) to a food kitchen. That might do more for TZM's credibility then anything else.

And a quick note on VTP and conspiracies, which I would like your respond to:

VTV, you mentioned earlier that "People can believe in conspiracy theories or not believe in them and still value a Resource Based Economy. ". See, the problem with that is that the RBE is based on the power of the Scientific Method, which the conspiracy theorists definitely do not use. If they did use the Scientific Method, there's no way they could still conclude that the towers were detonated by the US government with thermite explosives.

Oh snap, I had no clue. Well it looks like VTV already answered most of my questions already.

And LOL on the spelling switch of Asperger's syndrome to assburgers. I know, I'm 7 pages late, but its still funny lol.

I really hope VTV did not make a huge deal over working for Burger King rather than McDonalds....

"BITCH WE FLAME BROIL HERE!"

A rational person would have said, "I work for Burger King, not McDonalds" rather than pitching a hissy fit about people deliberately telling lies.

In terms of making fun of people online, there really isn't any difference between a 34 year old man working for Burger King and working for McDonalds. I would mock either one equally for being fry technicians in their thirties.

Burger King has better fries though.

Lame.

This dude is full of baloney.

And fries.

Pretty sure he said in this thread that he hasn't worked for a restaurant in years but I don't care enough to comb through this long ass thread and find it.

ok your wife does...simple mistake to make, but at least I do my research and prove my points you tub of useless lard:

http://www.thezeitgeistmovement.com/joomla/index.php?option=com_kunena&Itemid=99999&func=view&id=97439&catid=5#97439

"My name is Neil Kiernan. I live in Michigan. The economy here has taken a turn for the unworkable, and that downward spiral has no end in sight.

I own a manufactured home, and like many people I know I rented rooms to friends to help make ends meet. As the hours at various jobs dried up, my borders some of which as old as their mid thirties are moving back in with their parents because even the meager amount of rent that included their food and utilities was no longer reachable for them.

My wife found a job working at Burger King. But she only got it because a friend of ours essentially gave the position to her when she herself left the area. (Former roommate as well.) I had given up my job a year ago to stay at home with my kids. This is sadly a requirement, neither myself nor my wife have anyone whom could watch our two children. When our roommates moved out I began to search for a job myself. I was in no way picky. I literally tried every business in the area. At this point I would not care if I was shoveling excrement. However there was absolutely nothing. I live right next to a large group of businesses, fast food resturaunts and department stores. I literally put in about thirty or so applications. Everywhere I went it was the same thing. The people I talked to all saw their own hours being cut. And many people told me they had already had to let people go because there simply was no money at all to pay employees.

Capitalism is dying a slow death in my state. I ran for Congress last year and a fellow candidate stated that he felt the situation in Michigan was soon to happen all over the country. I agreed with him wholeheartedly. Automation and outsourcing has destroyed the job market. And the problem is getting worse every day.

Despite my misgivings, I have since applied for assistance from the state. My wife having the only job we could find in our area of course pays maybe half of our monthly expenses, and that's with everything cut down to the bare minimum. So today, I had to go to a "Work First" program. I understand the need for ensuring that people who apply for this assistance are not just abusing the system. But I found it was fairly clear that the whole situation felt like a band-aid on a problem that needs a full frontal lobotomy.

Capitalists/Free Market Libertarians always claim that "education is the key" if everyone went out and got into college then there would be a job for them. (If you can even afford it)

One of the people sitting next to me was very professional looking. He had a degree in business and engineering. I asked him what brought him there, and he told me about how his company asked him to go to Mexico to train people to do his job in the plants they were building there. They of course assured him, and everyone that the plant they were working at here in the United States that they would be fine. They were just expanding.

Well, the lie was pretty clear, because as soon as that plant was fully functional they shut down the local one, and let him go as soon as they could. This man had worked for that company for over 10 years. And he was cast aside for his loyal service like someone throwing out a disposable diaper.

The woman sitting across from me, was laughing at the fact that they offered educational programs to help people get employed. She just got out of college as a medical billing specialist. A field that is often advertised as being a very good one.

The more people I talked to the more I saw it. This was not a room full of slackers. These people were depressed, angry, stressed and clearly downtrodden. Some of the more blue collar men looked very ashamed to even be there.

Last year, I ran for Congress as a Libertarian. I came away with third out of four. I distinctly remember the Democratic candidate taking me aside, as he had run against the Neo-con who held that seat since the eighties. He couldn't do it anymore. He complimented me on my speeches and he encouraged me to continue the fight. I had given up on it, but sitting in that room full of people I just got angry. Having been a member of the "Ron Paul Revolution" I too at one time was sold on the Free Market. During that time I was also influenced by my friend Senator Mike Gravel, and Congressmen Dennis Kucinich. Though I still value Ron Paul for standing up for Civil Rights, freeing up the market would not fix this problem.

However, neither will relying on socialist systems. As it was clear to me during the course of my expirience today. The people who work in these programs are overworked and underpaid. They are not motivated after a while and I don't blame them. These systems are entirely dependent on tax money to survive. And that money is drying up as well as cyclical consumption crashes.

Less people working means less people spending which in turn means even less people working. As when there is no consumption businesses cannot afford to employ people, and those who are self employed also suffer as their own businesses fail.

This fact means more people on unemployment, food stamps, and other socialist systems. Of course, no money being put into those systems because everyone is unemployed only makes that worse. Michigan actually nearly shut down last year as their quite simply was no money to keep the government of our state running.

I know that many in the movement believe we should reject the political system. As a candidate for Congress I managed to reach over 6,000 voters. As a candidate that doesn't mean much. As an activist that is more then some of us ever reach. I have made my decision. In 2010 I am going to run for Congress again. I will be joining the Democratic party. And I think the time has come that we develop Venus Project/Zeitgeist caucuses in every political party. People who are involved in politics are looking for answers. Answers that their own systems do not and will not provide.

I look around me and I see the monetary system and the lies that prop it up and it absolutely makes me sick. The fact that people who are still doing ok in our system are completely blind to it equally makes me sick.

The naive notion that if we freed up the market that suddenly everyone would be wealthy is absurd, and I am ashamed I ever told anyone that.

However, the naive notion that a system that uses money to provide socialist programs when there is no money in said system in the first place to provide it is equally absurd.

Scarcity, and the profit mindset that maintains it must end. The collapse that is going to happen, (And it's WHEN not IF) could bring all of humanity to a new dark ages if we don't manage to destroy the planet fighting over resources that if were properly cultivated would be sufficient for everyone. I am hereby declaring war on poverty and the ignorance of human beings that allows this atrocity to continue. I am declaring war on war, as it is the most evil lie ever visited on the people of this world. I am declaring war on corruption and the system that not only allows it, but makes it required to survive.

I ask people to do the same. Even if you do not win, as a candidate you get much more exposure then you ever would just going door to door passing out fliers. I have not decided what my next step will be. But I am working on a plan.

I am currently on the national committee of the Boston Tea Party. It is a smaller Libertarian minded party. But it's platform is not incompatible with our ideals.

"The Boston Tea Party supports reducing the size, scope and power of government at all levels and on all issues, and opposes increasing the size, scope and power of government at any level, for any purpose."

That quite literally is all of it. Though most members of the party are ardent free market capitalists, the platform itself does not detail how it would shrink the size of government. Our goal is to remove government from the equation entirely eventually.

This political party is one place we could start. Membership is free. Our last candidate for President Charles Jay is a good friend of mine. And his candidacy got him onto mainstream television quite a bit. We need to consider the political system as a soapbox for our ideas. If we do manage to get candidates elected, so much the better. Then we would have voices on C-SPAN telling the rest of Congress and the Senate why this whole money system is a scam. If not, no big deal. We still will reach far more people then we ever would otherwise.

You can join the Boston Tea Party at bostontea.us/ and I ask that you consider it. There is nothing to stop you from belonging to this party and any other party. Which is my intention as well.

I also intend to maintain my relationship with the Libertarian party.

I plan to look into the requirements to join other political parties as well.

People who actually are interested in the world around them are far easier to find at these political conventions then in the rest of the entertainment saturated world.

Who is with me? Would anyone like to help?

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Wow that story was actually quite deep. This VTV of 12 months ago seems so much different than the VTV of today lol. Its amazing what 12 months can do.

I can now see what fuels his passion, but the way TZM (and himself) goes about stopping all these problems needs some serious adjustments in order to be effective.

Anti-cutlist YOU LIED.

This is the problem with what you did. First of all you stated I worked at McDonalds and supposedly do now.

I pointed out this is not true. You insisted that it was. You didn't "do your research" as you claim you always do for almost an entire day. You made a half-assed statement after talking out of your ass about it in the first place.

My goal is achieved. You are willing to spread poorly researched information as fact. I just wanted people to see how full of shit you are. I succeeded.

I wonder how much other stuff in your bullshit blog was as well researched as my job at McDonalds that I don't have?

Nope I am willing to correct my mistakes and publicly do it, you are simply a douchebag.

Your goal is achieved ?

You are truly one big clown, yes you have achieved that thoroughly time to move onto another goal don't you think ?

Flip flop away fatty, and make excuses up if you want.

Matt, it took him several pages of lying and spreading poorly researched information and me repeatedly taunting him about it to get him to do so. The person who is doing "poor PR" is the idiot who posted libelous garbage about someone in an effort to discredit them who didn't even know what he was talking about.