Skeptic Project

Yeah I know...

yeah I know and VTV is suppose to make a percentage off that pile of junk. I wonder if VTV will show how much he's making from that junk somewhere on his website?

Kind of reminds me about twenty years ago my friend and I did an art exhibition in San Francisco called the "Frieda Khalo au-go-go show", which was making parodies of leftist book stores selling Frieda shwag like shirts post cards etc...
A few of my works got trashed (like I wasn't asking for it?) Even an actually nice painting I made, "Frieda Zombie". Another one I recall putting the face of the head of the American Communist party in between Frieda's eyes, a parody of the work she made with Deigo Rivera in between her eyes. That one had to be taken down. Whaaa... would that qualify as pre internet art trolling?

You can see how much hes marked up the items here:

http://www.printfection.com/pricing/giveaway</p>

coffe mugs beens marked up $2-3
baseball jerseys been marked up $5-7
organice tee shirts been marked up $7-8

And the list goes on...every one of them marked up and all using the decietful price marking system of capitalism.

Because theyre all deluded by the ideology Bill, when something appeals to your emotional instincts and professes some kind of moralistic and even a level of academic rational the typical zeitard doesnt stop to question the ethics of giving money to their 'leaders'.

To do so would be to question the entire setup and would undermine the emotional investment and dream they have for themselves regarding TVP and TZM.

No it is much easier to allow the 'leaders' to mooch off the thousands of people who are following it and pretend they are doing no wrong and allow the hypocrisy they do to go unchecked.

Its people like us who question it after being involved who are then villified for doing what they themselves should be doing. Of course this wont occur until they are fully pissed off with the movement and have realised its going nowhere and theyve been scammed.

By then people like VTV, Fresco, Meadows and Merola will have made their little earner and it will be too late for us to say 'I told you so'.

Bottom line people are fucking stupid and will do and believe anything for a dream.

I happen to think you're probably incorrect Bill.

Most people will do and allow anything if its for an emotional cause they deem worthwhile. You can apply what I said to anything they are emotionally invested in.Its a human mannersim to neglect and ignore that which might be corrupt in a setup in preference for allowing it to continue because its a setup they enjoy and want. For instance religious leaders stealing money and doing wrong, religious people turn a blind eye as they need their church, faith and leaders.
You can apply this to almost any setup people enjoy doing, and it is usually only those that are deemed pieces of shit that rock the boat in order to get things less corrupt.

While zeitards are trapped in the belief they are the pieces of shit rocking the boat trying to fix corruption and make things better, they are willfully and ignorantly turning a blind eye to the corrupt and hypocritical behaviour in their own setup.

I dont think this behaviour is attributable only to conspiracy theorists, its attributable to all humans who are easily attached to emotional setups. People wont strike at work when their bosses are fiddling them, people wont do anything politically motivated when theyre being abused by their government [egypt aside], people allow their partners to cheat on them and treat them like dirt, the list is endless.

Eventually it gets too much and the straw snaps and people wont tolerate it, but usually theyve endured a long times worth of needless damage, and expended wasted energy for a cause that was rigged from the beginning.

All it takes is someone to speak up and call shit for what it is. Zeitgeist and The Venus Project are a scam making people like VTV, Fresco, Meadows an income for doing fuck all, there I rocked the boat.

I think your tee shirt is a good idea though, you should use the same company VTV does and sell spoofs of his merchandise to show the corruption he is doing.

Another good point ^

Like theres not enough junk in the world already 'according to fresco/merola doctrine' VTV has to go and make a tonne more and exploit cheap labour to spread his good message of dont exploit cheap labour. :S

The following quote taken from jacque Frescos book Looking Forward::::

We can test a value by asking, "Does it yield happiness for us?" There is nothing absolute about any
value—it's not a question of "right" or "wrong," "true" or "false," "good" or "bad." We should ask ourselves,
"How do our values affect our happiness, both present and future?"

The happenstance of when and where we are born determines what set of values we acquire. A few
years or a few miles can make a whale of a difference. Although we know that no one is born with a set of
values, the particular set of values we acquire seems both "inborn" and "natural" to us. We always feel
strange when we meet people with a different set of values. They don't act "right."

Jacques Fresco, one of the authors, visited Bora-Bora in the Society Islands thirty years ago. He carried
with him fifty pocket mirrors and hundreds of beads and other novelties that he hoped to use in place of
money. Fresco showed these gifts to several natives and then put them into a suitcase. When he returned
to his living quarters several hours later, he was surprised to see a number of men and women freely
handing out the beads, mirrors, and other trinkets to their Polynesian friends. He interrupted them and
asked what was going on. One of the older men replied that Fresco had more than he needed and that it
was a shame to see so many wonderful things not being put to use.

After establishing a favorable relationship with the Polynesians, he made a casual comment that he would
appreciate their help in building an outrigger canoe. They gathered in a huddle and left without saying
anything. Several days later, they appeared carrying an outrigger canoe and presented him with this
extravagant gift. During the next two weeks he was unable to find time to enjoy their gift. They appeared
disturbed and picked up the canoe and carried it away.

"Why are you taking my canoe away?" he asked.
An older Polynesian stepped forth and commented resentfully, "We give you boat. You no use. We take
back."

It took Fresco a while to grasp fully the significance of such a system of values based on need and use,
instead of ownership.
Many of the values that you and I have today were devised thousands of years ago in a world of great
scarcity. For example, during past centuries it took about twenty farmers to produce enough surplus food
to maintain one townsman. To have a deep feeling of worth in such a world, it was usual to have a value
structure that generated hardworking and thrifty behavior.

The scarcity conditions of the past have led men to place a high value on owning as many things as
possible. The ownership of a set of tools enabled a man to make his living. If someone had stolen these
from him, his ability to earn a living would have been threatened. The ownership of material goods
became associated with a feeling of self-esteem. In some of our past cultures, the concept of private
ownership even extended to include women. Women could be bought and sold in the marketplace. Even
in the twentieth century we have conflicts in our value system as the status of women is evolving from
being the property of men to the role of free human beings.

Yet what do we have here: http://www.cafepress.co.uk/Thevenusproject</p>

Oh yes thats right useless trinkets of no value.