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Agent Matt | Posted: Apr 06, 2010 - 23:00 |
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Genuine American Monster Level: 70 CS Original | Okay, so what's the real story about his involvement in the KKK? All I know is what I have seen in a few YouTube videos where he spins this elaborate tale about joining them in order to make them question their beliefs or convert them or whatever it is he was trying to do. It sounds like a pile of horseshit to me. But feel free to show me the error of my ways. | |||||
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michi | Posted: Apr 06, 2010 - 23:20 |
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Level: 0 CS Original | He joined the White Citizens Council too. He admitted his involvement and fabricated the explanations to avoid being exposed and to save face. Big steaming pile of horse manure. | |||||
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Edward L Winston | Posted: Apr 06, 2010 - 23:53 |
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President Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho: porn star and five-time ultimate smackdown wrestling champion! Level: 150 CS Original | Post links please. | |||||
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michi | Posted: Apr 07, 2010 - 01:20 |
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Level: 0 CS Original | Jacque Fresco on the clan part 1: Part 2: Somewhere in the FAQ section of thevenusproject.com, but I don't want to fish through it: | |||||
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Edward L Winston | Posted: Apr 07, 2010 - 02:05 |
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President Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho: porn star and five-time ultimate smackdown wrestling champion! Level: 150 CS Original | He was successful at turning the KKK around? News to me. | |||||
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anticultist | Posted: Apr 07, 2010 - 02:19 |
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Brainwashing you for money Level: 15 CS Original | Yeah he is being given credit for supposedly turning a local chapter of his KKK from being fascist rascist scumbags into decent everyday human beings by showing them videos of his trained pig. The story is fucking hilarious, bordering on insanity. | |||||
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Edward L Winston | Posted: Apr 07, 2010 - 02:27 |
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President Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho: porn star and five-time ultimate smackdown wrestling champion! Level: 150 CS Original | ||||||
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anticultist | Posted: Apr 07, 2010 - 02:42 |
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Brainwashing you for money Level: 15 CS Original | hahaha | |||||
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Plautus Satire | Posted: Apr 07, 2010 - 03:25 |
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Level: 0 CS Original | Jacque also claims he played a recording of a black man who was well-spoken and a seeming intellectual and asked the klan members what they thought of him. Of course they thought he was great. Then he explained it was a black man so they all changed their minds and stopped being bigots... He also claims he lied to his mother about his asian friend, telling her his friend had saved his life, so clearly he has no problem with lying to accomplish his goals. His mother forgave him, so presumably he expects everyone to. | |||||
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anticultist | Posted: Apr 07, 2010 - 03:38 |
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Brainwashing you for money Level: 15 CS Original | I have this suspicion that Fresco is a compulsive liar because a majority of the 'facts' he presents to his members can not be verified, and conveniently most of his resume is undated and unplaced. If you compare his online resume to anyone else his supposed level, you see a huge disparity in its design and format. With most people who would be considered his peers by his fanclub you can verify their work and their involvement in matters. But Jacque Frescos not only uses ambiguous terminology, it is nigh on impossible to verify the majority of it due to companies not existing, locations witheld, dates witheld and specific details witheld. Its almost as if he has intentionally been vague to prevent being called out on his lack of substance, or that he really is a complete amateur and can not even manage to put together a resume, or perhaps he is so senile he can not even remember himself where he worked ? Either way you look at it, it should set off alarm bells when you can not even verify the veracity of his resume. Its seemingly convenient in that he can make claims of being here and there doing this and that, and because he is 4-6 times older than his average member age they have hardly any means of checking on him. Also he has probably outlived his peers who would combat any false claims he makes. | |||||
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Edward L Winston | Posted: Apr 07, 2010 - 03:52 |
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President Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho: porn star and five-time ultimate smackdown wrestling champion! Level: 150 CS Original | So, Jesus and I were hanging out and ... | |||||
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anticultist | Posted: Apr 07, 2010 - 03:54 |
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Brainwashing you for money Level: 15 CS Original | I gave him this letter I was writing about how people should treat each other nicer... | |||||
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Ed | Posted: Apr 07, 2010 - 08:12 |
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Level: 10 CS Original | I've always wondered about these stories from him. I am skeptical since my experience with radical fundamentalists has always been that you can show them the most rational evidence that their beliefs are wrong and they just ignore you. The idea that just doing what Fresco said he did would change their minds is impressive if true, but very hard to believe for anyone that has tried to engage those kinds of people. | |||||
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Agent Matt | Posted: Apr 07, 2010 - 08:52 |
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Genuine American Monster Level: 70 CS Original | Hardcore racists tend to believe in pseudo-scientific methods or religion to justify their bigotry. In fact, the KKK is a "Christian" (their label, not mine) organization. The idea that Fresco could rationally convince irrational people to drop their beliefs is simply absurd. And with a trained pig no less. The only possible way you could believe this crap is if you wanted to. Looking at his history, he has a number of very, very questionable connections. The more I look at Fresco's past, the more I doubt the idea that he is just an innocent old man being exploited by Merola. At this point, I honestly don't know who is exploiting who. | |||||
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advancedatheist | Posted: Apr 07, 2010 - 09:32 |
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Level: 3 CS Original | I talked to Fresco on the phone a few times from California in the 1990's, where he told me the pig story. Supposedly he used operant conditioning to train a pig to do all sorts of unlikely things, then showed this pig in action to his Klan acquaintances, who probably raised pigs themselves and already had an opinion based on experience about porcine abilities, as a demonstration that the environment shapes people's behavior, not their race or ancestry. (Insert Deliverance joke here.) But like you, I don't know what to make of Fresco's flirtation with white supremacists. | |||||
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Agent Matt | Posted: Apr 07, 2010 - 09:40 |
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Genuine American Monster Level: 70 CS Original | "But like you, I don't know what to make of Fresco's flirtation with white supremacists." I have my suspicions. I think Fresco was a proponent of social darwinism and eugenics. Rather than being honest about getting caught up in something that at the time wasn't a big deal, the Dunning Kruger effect kicked in and he believed he could downplay it by inventing a story about a trained pig. At the time there was much scientific "evidence" showing that whites were "superior". It wasn't so much a matter of being a racist as it was basing opinions on bad data. I think Fresco bought into that and is either too arrogant or too crazy or too stupid to just come clean about it. If you'll notice, these people are never wrong about anything. None of the people involved in this thing are intellectually honest. | |||||
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advancedatheist | Posted: Apr 07, 2010 - 09:49 |
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Level: 3 CS Original | Why even bring up the KKK story now, apart from old people's tendency to tell everyone who'll listen about their past? As someone else pointed out, Fresco has probably outlived all of the witnesses to his early life. So, has anyone thought of asking the FBI for files it might have on Fresco through the Freedom of Information Act? | |||||
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Agent Matt | Posted: Apr 07, 2010 - 09:51 |
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Genuine American Monster Level: 70 CS Original | "Why even bring up the KKK story now, apart from old people's tendency to tell everyone who'll listen about their past?" Did the pig story come before his connections to white supremacists came to light, or after? I just realized how completely absurd this conversation is: "What came first? The pig or the KKK?" | |||||
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Agent Matt | Posted: Apr 07, 2010 - 09:57 |
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Genuine American Monster Level: 70 CS Original | http://2012rising.com/article/2012-tipping-point-prophets-conference-cancun-post-event-review-day-2</p> The next talk was one that I think we were all rather looking forward to. Jacque Fresco is the well-known social engineer behind the Venus Project. This endeavour has become even more famous due to its massive support from the members of the Zeitgesit movement. The idea of using technology to forward all of mankind not just the wealthy being based wholly on the availability of sufficient resources is eminently sensible. Jacque Fresco really engaged with the audience in a big way. Though he was very vocally against many of the tenets held in high regard by the bulk of the audience (mystical and spiritual matters) it is hard not to like him or absolutely disagree with his position. His certainly that we are largely the formation of our social environment is hard to overturn. It sounded sensible that an ill-educated white farmhand in a racist family in a rightwing community somewhere in the Deep South is more likely to hold racist views than if a black family somewhere had raised him. | |||||
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sorry | Posted: Apr 07, 2010 - 10:27 |
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Level: 12 CS Original | This reminds me of Clayton Bigsby. | |||||
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