Skeptic Project

Q7) Why are all of the models, designs and reference images from TVPDesign not available opensource?

To undertake this work for The Venus Project we signed a non disclosure agreement to protect the designs of Jacque Fresco, I understand peoples concerns over open source however we feel that open sourcing the project would be detrimental at this stage as not enough people fully understand the complexities of the social and technical research & development that has gone into the overall design of the project.

Until such time as a countries agreement (global agreement prefered) on a move toward a Resource Based Economy then these designs could and likely would be used by others for profit, which is something we wish to avoid. It is important at this stage to keep the integrity of the total system design as proposed by Jacque Fresco as we have yet to see any other projects globally that address all of the issues socially and technically that the Venus Project deals with.

Therefore the reference images etc are not available to anyone who has not signed the TVP CGI Volunteer Agreement.

http://www.thevenusprojectdesign.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&layout=blog&id=103&Itemid=156

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People actually swallow this hogwash?

Hmmm... but what about this sticker?

1) First of all, why not publish them with a not-for-profit license?
2) Nobody will invest millions of dollars to "steal" (=copy) a design some old guy made.
3) Even if someone did, and that will happen exactly zero times, who cares? People make some money, big deal.

If that doesn't make you doubt the existence of those designs, I dunno what does.

I don't think he really has many actual blueprints, if any at all. Who's with me?

Just remember that you're talking about a guy who suggested to build cities in the sea in case we run out of land.

If TVP were more popular, there'd be seven cities in that article:
http://www.cracked.com/article_18947_the-6-most-insane-cities-ever-planned.html

That must come as a real surprise to you, I hope you weren't overwhelmed by the shock.

On a more serious note, these kinds of top-down city-in-a-box ideas with radically different economic or political paradigms aren't new, Fresco just added a few claims, which in themselves might even be true, extrapolates them beyond recognition and it somehow matched the Zeitgeist (scnr):
Lawyers aren't just working in a partially broken system, they're criminals who belong in jail.
The prince of Dubai isn't just ill-advised to plan a huge tower building (probably never happened), he is an asshole.
Private allocation of goods isn't just a potentially corruptive influence on macro-economic processes, it is the sole creator of scarcity in an era of technological abundance.
Environmental influence isn't just an important factor in social development, it is the only factor.

It's kinda the type of misrepresentation of science xkcd pokes fun at, only that he's not representing anyone, but cleverly avoiding the topic by saying that nobody ever invents anything.

Fresco certainly hasn't heard of thepiratebay.org.

Yeah I have doubted the authenticity of these blue prints for a long time now and I completely doubt they have anything of value or technical standards to pass any architects viewing.

Of course the usual answer is that Frescos designs are so advanced that the avergae architect would not have the foresight to see his genius !

You can not win in an argument with a cultie on these points because they're too fucking stupid to see they're being duped.

I doubt they exist too, I would imagine all that exists are those painfully dated artist renderings of circle buildings made from plastic. I made a post about this on the blog discussing all the considerations needed to design a city, its understructure, its cabling, sewage, its thoroughfares, its electrical designs, its air conditioning, its sound proofing, its safety and fire prevention etc.... Of course culties would have you believe that fresco has envisaged every single detail and is an expert in every required field to be able to design an entire city with every necessary condition in place already.

Basically the reason he wont put them on the table is simply this...

It will show how unprepared and how amateur he really he is, because noone would follow him if they realised all he has is some scraps of paper with put thingamibob here, invent everlasting ecology safe plastic and use here on his drawings.

Please, just look at his models. They're like an RTS game where the cavalry is about the same size of the stable. And the stable is missing doors.