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QuestionmarkPosted: Apr 16, 2011 - 14:45
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAWpkZSCMXU&feature=topvideos_music

The lyrics are actually disturbing to me. I don't think it's a conspiracy or something like that - just her trying to be controversial, probably.

But I think this is probably going to cause a lot of CT-ists to write even more stuff about her.

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Agent MattPosted: Apr 16, 2011 - 14:49
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Why are you listening to Lady Gaga?

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QuestionmarkPosted: Apr 16, 2011 - 15:00
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How can someone avoid Lady Gaga when she's all over? LOL.

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Agent MattPosted: Apr 16, 2011 - 15:05
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You don't watch her YouTube videos?

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QuestionmarkPosted: Apr 16, 2011 - 15:16
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I've watched some. I'm not a fan, but I don't completely hate her. But I was on youtube looking up other stuff and I saw this video on the main page. I thought it might be something controversial by the title, so I clicked the link.

The CT people are already getting paranoid about it:

Someone posted this:

SONG MEANING ~

"Who is Judas?" Judas Iscariot: The man who was once a follower of Jesus. Then, he betrayed Jesus, helped the chiefs find and kill him on the cross. Judas committed suicide later because he knew what he did was wrong.

“It's about clutching onto the light while peering towards the devil in the back...I still go back again to those evil things.” - Gaga”

She leaked this song 4 days early - celebrating Judas betraying Jesus 4 days before Easter. (Copy&Paste)

Coldspin 39 seconds ago

I do admit that the lyrics make me uncomfortable because of the religious beliefs I've had in the past and I don't like that she leaked it before Easter.

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Sil the ShillPosted: Apr 16, 2011 - 15:42
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"How can someone avoid Lady Gaga when she's all over? LOL. "

It works for me. I don't really feel strongly one way or another about Gaga, but it's quite easy to avoid these things that are supposedly everywhere.

It's one reason why I always do so bad at the pop culture questions in Cranium.

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QuestionmarkPosted: Apr 16, 2011 - 15:54
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To be honest, her video for Alejandro scared me. She put a rosary in her mouth and she had big, red, upside-down crosses on her sleeves.

I usually try to avoid her songs, though.

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Sil the ShillPosted: Apr 16, 2011 - 16:02
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Questionmark: It's really nothing more than shock value. People were probably saying this same shit for KISS.

If you let yourself get scared you're just letting yourself get trolled irl.

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QuestionmarkPosted: Apr 16, 2011 - 16:19
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You have a point. I shouldn't get scared. it's just that so many rumours are going around that it's hard for me to not get nervous. I have OCD that is often triggered by religious things.

I do think that people sometimes get too worked up over things.

There is a video where Katy Perry said that she "sold her soul to the devil" as a metaphor and people thought she meant literally. And they were pointing out that the interviewer lady's earrings looked like upside down crosses. I think they might have been regular crosses on fishhook earrings or something...but maybe the quality of the video made it look like the hooks were part of the cross? Or maybe she really was wearing upside down crosses. But anyway, I don't think she meant it literally.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2xUaTv0jm8

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BrentonPosted: Apr 16, 2011 - 17:38
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To be honest, her video for Alejandro scared me. She put a rosary in her mouth and she had big, red, upside-down crosses on her sleeves.

Alejandro was a tribute to the sexual revolution in pre-Nazi Germany... Pretty positive. :P

By the way, raised a Catholic and still a Catholic in the cultural sense... but perfectly comfortable with the darkness.

*Personally hoping the music video is released the day Judas is said to have betrayed Jesus. That'd be totz Gaga-style.

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Agent MattPosted: Apr 16, 2011 - 18:19
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This thread is crazy.

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KeppPosted: Apr 16, 2011 - 18:20
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There is no such thing as the devil so relax.

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Agent MattPosted: Apr 16, 2011 - 18:26
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http://i52.tinypic.com/2ivcvpy.jpg" />

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Kaiser FalknerPosted: Apr 16, 2011 - 18:50
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Oh, god... a Lady Gaga thread? Really? Banality disguised as art which is in turn just a weak iteration of strong forms that preceded it. That's all it is.

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BrentonPosted: Apr 16, 2011 - 18:53
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True. 5 minutes & Google and anyone of relative intelligence can show you her array of influences.

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The Real RoxettePosted: Apr 16, 2011 - 18:57
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There ARE more sluts in public schools. Shut up and let me explain.

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Lady Gaga is such a phony, she tries so hard to stay in character IRL, but she just looks and sounds stupid. She's basically Marilyn Mason and Madonna, hell her music even sounds exactly like Madonna sometimes.

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BrentonPosted: Apr 16, 2011 - 19:08
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SHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH.

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EzPosted: Apr 16, 2011 - 19:55
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Questionmark, you should probably go and see a professional about this OCD of yours as this is about the 3rd time you've come on here asking us to debunk something that generally relates to occult symbolism and each time you seem to have gotten over it, only to return later asking the same questions.

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BrentonPosted: Apr 16, 2011 - 20:05
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Gaga definitely utilises symbolism. The craziness (or "OCD" as Ez puts it) is that people then somehow arrive at the conclusion that this means ... oh God I don't want to even elaborate on the ridiculous conclusions because it makes me want to vomit... and I never want to vomit after eating anything with marmalade on it. It'd ruin it for me forever. In summary good artists use symbolism because it lets people read into their work from different angles, etc, etc,. Not because they're using symbols for mind control or whatever... -_-

Also Questionmark should watch Gaga singing happy birthday to a friend, the lighting is soooo creepy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZHeXnHR3WU [/lol]

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Agent MattPosted: Apr 16, 2011 - 20:17
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Lady Gaga clearly uses symbolism because she's in the Illuminati.

http://i54.tinypic.com/2m4dth4.jpg" />

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The Real RoxettePosted: Apr 16, 2011 - 20:18
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There ARE more sluts in public schools. Shut up and let me explain.

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^ awful

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BrentonPosted: Apr 16, 2011 - 20:19
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Or maybe cuz she went to an arts college and was taught how to use symbolism... Maybe, just maybe that plays a role.

(I am so tempted to play along with this but it's just so repeated that it's boring.)

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Agent MattPosted: Apr 16, 2011 - 20:21
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I would stick it in her pooper.

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BrentonPosted: Apr 16, 2011 - 20:23
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She's also got a get out of hell free card, from a fundamentalist. More evidence of being Illuminati: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrOYFZwmMUM

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anticultistPosted: Apr 16, 2011 - 20:31
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Evidence lady gaga is a man

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Agent MattPosted: Apr 16, 2011 - 20:37
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I lol'd.

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BrentonPosted: Apr 16, 2011 - 21:25
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Oh god I hope this is true haha: "there's this ex-gay ministry a few blocks from my school. I may have accidentally hacked into thier intercoms with this song (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4a8QtvOkBQ) in full blast. That'll teach those a-holes something. "Don't be a drag, be a queen""

Also she admits she's got a dick. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQhx6P3Kzm0

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The Real RoxettePosted: Apr 17, 2011 - 00:23
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There ARE more sluts in public schools. Shut up and let me explain.

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Born this way is a great cover of:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsVcUzP_O_8

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BrentonPosted: Apr 17, 2011 - 00:45
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Why is it only people outside the academic world of music that say that kind of thing? (although, please excuse me if you are a music professional) ^^

I want to see a genuine commentator within the music industry say it, in a musical/arts journal, backing it up somehow, before I take that idea seriously...

I mean for starters both of the songs have an entirely different theme.

Personally I don't auto-criticise Gaga and there's a reason for it. I go to a musical school. I'm surrounded by many people who automatically reject pop-culture, seemingly often just for the sake of rejecting pop-culture. Whereas personally I see it as the greatest medium for artistic expression to ever come into being. And I mean, people who break into pop-culture really do have more influence and all-around a better life materially than artists who are too snob-nosed and prefer their "indie" identity. F**k that. I like being an advocate for pop culture, especially when I'm around a lot of people that disagree because it's a good environment to strengthen my arguments in favour of...

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The Real RoxettePosted: Apr 17, 2011 - 02:49
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You take Lady Gaga way too seriously. She's not Bach, she's a product. I don't analyze or think of her music as anything more important than Spice Girls or the "Girl power!" garbage. I don't reject pop music at all, but I don't consider it revolutionary either, it's just a money machine that churns out something worth listening to from time to time.

The Kaiser said it best:

Banality disguised as art which is in turn just a weak iteration of strong forms that preceded it. That's all it is.

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