Skeptic Project

I actually don't take her as seriously as you'd think, really. But I do think she's a lot more than a lot of people rate her. I think she's heavily underrated. That's probably due to the fact that she's a woman in pop music (although gender doesn't really matter, it's the genre that does more) and a lot of people don't think much of pop music. She's one of those few above-and-beyonds in pop music. I find it odd that you say 'she's just a product' because, really, all good musicians are in one way or another. That doesn't mean they don't have integrity or a sense of realness to them. But the best celebrities art-direct every minute of their public life, that's for sure.

I also don't think you can compare one paradigm to another. To say she's "not Bach" is pretty silly because she could never be Bach, and nor could Bach ever be Gaga. She doesn't exist in that time, genre or any other aspect of Bach's world except that they're both musicians. Doing that is as bad as watching a film and declaring 'it wasn't like the book'. Well, of course it wasn't - they're two totally different mediums of delivery and are based on different ways of appreciation... I don't know if that analogy makes sense, but whatever...

In other words I'm trying to say that comparing one artistic paradigm to another just... doesn't really make a whole lot of sense.

Brenton types a lot but doesn't really say much.

I still want to stick it in her pooper.

Madonna is already a joke, and besides, you said yourself previously that "she's heavily underrated." If you think that, you can't honestly believe she's starting to beat Madonna. She's everywhere all the time, that's not even remotely close to underrated. I think she is rated, just over, not under. I'd like to know one new thing she's done that hasn't been done before that makes her so special.

[ i think sil means underrated ]

I'd do her. Penis or not, here I come.

Oh my god, shut up, you only like her because you're a homo and she knows homos give her lots and lots of money/attention. She didn't change or save anything. If she never existed, the only difference is we wouldn't have sad ass imitations like Kesha creating even worse music.

She's an actress trying to portray a character, and she doesn't know when to stop, so you get stupid things said in interviews all the time. They'd be funny if I knew that so many people didn't take them seriously.

Gaga isn't "different," she simply knows her target audience (Brenton) and tells them what they want to hear. All of her gay rights stuff was just a cynical attempt to market herself, and you bought into it Brenton.

Queen of the Gays

For some reason, Gaga’s Monster Cult always seems to think it has me trapped, here. “You love Britney Spears so much,” Little Monsters say to me. “But when’s the last time Britney Spears did anything for the gay community?”

First of all, I completely reject the notion that celebrities are somehow morally required to “speak out” on political and cultural issues. That singers are public figures is a byproduct of the widespread appeal of their craft, not their political aptitude. If Britney Spears just wants to perform, let her perform in peace. We don’t demand that carpenters, teachers, or even lawyers become public advocates for political positions. Why should we expect the same of performers?

Moreover, even if they’re inclined to speak out, I believe that they should always weigh their options prudently: celebrity activism always serves as a double-edged sword. The headlines surrounding Gaga’s Don’t Ask Don’t Tell activism were never, for instance, “Lady Gaga speaks out for gay rights,” but rather “LADY GAGA!!!!! speaks out for gay rights.” The celebrity always ends up overtaking the issue, rendering their efforts, intentionally or not, somewhat self-indulgent.

Second, how utterly patronizing is it to ask me such a question in the first place? Do Lady Gaga fans look at me and see nothing but a homosexual? Might it have occurred to the Monster Cult that I have other considerations in mind than my sexual orientation; that my life doesn’t revolve around the fact that I’m gay? When Lady Gaga thanks “the gays” in her speeches, I wonder: would anyone thank “the blacks” for their support? Would any other minority group ever be lumped into such an undifferentiated, stereotypical mass? I have always maintained that Lady Gaga’s affection for gay men is little more than glorified fag-haggery. She simply strikes me as someone whose first reaction to a gay friend’s coming-out would be “Oh my gosh! I love gays! Can we go shopping?” Gay people, to Lady Gaga, are bunch of pink, glittery, fashion-obsessed queens. There’s not a lot of difference between Christian conservatives’ stereotypical views of gays and Lady Gaga’s: the key distinction seems only to be that she likes that stereotype. It’s incredibly condescending — and it’s really a shame, given that she could be using her platform to empower young gay people to be truly individualistic, trailblazing, and self-empowered. Instead, she sends them down the path of the same-old same-old political nonsense, with a liberal dosage of trite cliches about “loving yourself.”

The truth is that being gay doesn’t have to be “about” anything. I think I speak for most gay people when I say that our sexual orientation is not a central part of our identity. Lady Gaga is positively obsessed with our homosexuality — and it’s condescending, not liberating.

http://thetruthaboutgaga.wordpress.com/the-case-against-lady-gaga/

Brenton: Shut the fuck up.

Roxette: Shut the fuck up and get naked already.

That's pretty much my assessment lurking this thread.

You're full of it Brenton. Musically, Jeffree Starr is a talentless hack. If he wasn't a flaming homo, you wouldn't bother with him. So quit frontin'.

You're so full of it, man. You focus more on the image being sold to you than the quality of the product itself.

Next Brenton is going to start a thread called "Justin Bieber: Voice of a Generation".

Oh god, art students really are the same everywhere you go.

^ An art student here in Chicago said essentially the same thing. I was as unimpressed with the logic then as I am now.