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Agent MattPosted: May 02, 2011 - 09:35
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Regardless of whether you believed he was behind 9/11 or not, I find it very distasteful to celebrate anyones death in this day and age. I cannot wait to get out of this country. It is sickening to see crowds on TV blindly shouting U-S-A!!! U-S-A!!!. Does this event honestly change anything in the Middle East? If all we were there to do was kill Bin Laden then why not withdraw right away? Why are we still in Iraq? This country is a huge fucking joke. We've murdered ten times over more civilians in the Middle East then those killed in 9/11. All we are doing is breeding more hatred towards us and inspiring more terrorists to plot attacks. How many people have been killed under the Bush administrations decisions? How many Middle-Eastern lives are equivalent to an American live. apparently its a whole fucking lot.

http://www.thezeitgeistmovement.com/joomla/index.php?option=com_kunena&func=view&catid=272&id=337773&Itemid=100114&lang=en#337779

Even if he was killed, he had a family and friends, they need to have respect. It's disgusting what being "patriotic" is for this country.

http://www.thezeitgeistmovement.com/joomla/index.php?option=com_kunena&func=view&catid=272&id=337773&Itemid=100114&lang=en#337791

Propaganda Loop 101 -

1. Create a villain
2. Scare the masses shitless in overestimating villain's skills and resources
3. Use the confusion to distribute obscene amount of tax-payer money between friends
4. Keep the vilain alive for as long as needed.
5. Kill the villain
6. Celebrate

go to 1.

http://www.thezeitgeistmovement.com/joomla/index.php?option=com_kunena&func=view&catid=272&id=337773&limit=10&limitstart=10&Itemid=100114&lang=en#337823

More or less it's not just villains in essence as it is causes on false pretenses. Causes such as "the war on drugs" or "the war on terrorism" the "war on Osama Bin Laden" all really the same bullshit spewed out by the masses. These proxy wars must continue to exist for it all to perpetuate, the endless cycle of war, lies, deceit, villains, crashes, environmental destruction, overconsumption, overshoot, and wage slavery must never stop...well at least in their eyes

But you already knew all this! My point I suppose was I am in agreement, kind of scary when it can really be a six step process for creating havoc, and destroying the planet, just so you can get some damn profits. What the heck has the world come to?

http://www.thezeitgeistmovement.com/joomla/index.php?option=com_kunena&func=view&catid=272&id=337773&limit=10&limitstart=10&Itemid=100114&lang=en#337840

uried at sea ? ? ? ?

No body . . . no proof . . . . no fkn way - it's a total bunch of shit . . .

I guess now - I can consider myself as a conspiracy nut . . cause this again - does NOT add up!

I cannot wait to leave this wretched country as well - ugh!

http://www.thezeitgeistmovement.com/joomla/index.php?option=com_kunena&func=view&catid=272&id=337773&limit=10&limitstart=20&Itemid=100114&lang=en#337854

Down comes the hammer!
An excuse to remove the troops from the country, now that the US has likely taken control of all their natural resources. Won't be long now and we'll see the troops being taken home.
What are your thoughts guys?
I also read somewhere (can't remember as it was a while ago) that Osama actually doesn't have anything to do with terrorism, can anyone confirm this?

http://www.thezeitgeistmovement.com/joomla/index.php?option=com_kunena&func=view&catid=231&id=337776&Itemid=100114&lang=en#337776

This is all out of nowhere FOR A REASON. They're planning something, next there will be "retaliation attacks". Can't believe this crap....

http://www.thezeitgeistmovement.com/joomla/index.php?option=com_kunena&func=view&catid=231&id=337776&Itemid=100114&lang=en#337780

Makes me sick. Ignorant animals

http://www.thezeitgeistmovement.com/joomla/index.php?option=com_kunena&func=view&catid=231&id=337776&Itemid=100114&lang=en#337805

Ahh and the sheep cry rejoice without really understanding what is going on in the world today. Sure, he wasn't a great guy..but darn distractions!
What about the real issues!?
Jeez who will they pawn off next as the next Terrorist mastermind Charlie Sheen?
Nah I'd say Trump
ah damn he might run for president.
Ahh who cares

http://www.thezeitgeistmovement.com/joomla/index.php?option=com_kunena&func=view&catid=231&id=337776&Itemid=100114&lang=en#337818

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JimJesusPosted: May 02, 2011 - 10:03
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Bacon Pancakes! Making Bacon Pancakes, take some Bacon and I'll put it in a Pancake! Bacon Pancakes that's what it's gonna make...Bacon Pancaaaaaake!! ♪

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I knew this would happen. This is disgusting.

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PerryPosted: May 02, 2011 - 10:45
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While these guys go too far, I will say this: Bin Laden was an evil fucking piece of shit who deserved what he got. But I find the celebration of death and American nationalism to be very disturbing.

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CyborgJesusPosted: May 02, 2011 - 11:01
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I agree with Perry.

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Agent MattPosted: May 02, 2011 - 11:09
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Quit being such bleeding heart pussies. There's nothing wrong with celebrating the death of bin Laden.

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The Real RoxettePosted: May 02, 2011 - 11:14
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I agree with Jesus and Perry, I cried the day I learned Hitler was dead.

Maybe the Germans and Japanese don't care, but when it comes to people that want to kill me, I'd rather them be dead instead. I don't feel bad, I think it's great, he was a piece of shit, he doesn't deserve any respect at all. And I'm not even American.

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Agent MattPosted: May 02, 2011 - 11:28
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Osama bin Laden financed the deaths of thousands of civilians, both in the United States and elsewhere, it has little to do with nationalism.

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JimJesusPosted: May 02, 2011 - 11:29
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Bacon Pancakes! Making Bacon Pancakes, take some Bacon and I'll put it in a Pancake! Bacon Pancakes that's what it's gonna make...Bacon Pancaaaaaake!! ♪

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I gotta agree with the nationalist crap, but disagree with celebrating his death. I welcome all cult leaders deaths with a fine brew, and 5 more if the cult leader is responsible for the death(s) of the innocent(s.)

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Agent MattPosted: May 02, 2011 - 11:30
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"Yea, I call bullshit on my stupid government. 'They' are up to something. Keeping the sheep happy with this bit of crap. "Justice has been done".... what a load of shit. Its hard for me to remember that there are people who dont realize who is really responsible for all this. Am waiting to see the next scam....."

http://www.thezeitgeistmovement.com/joomla/index.php?option=com_kunena&func=view&catid=272&id=337773&limit=10&limitstart=30&Itemid=100114&lang=en#337896

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Agent MattPosted: May 02, 2011 - 11:31
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Zeitard posts the following video, speculating that Osama bin Laden is actually Barack Obama:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w53TMpk6QNc

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CyborgJesusPosted: May 02, 2011 - 11:32
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I don't feel bad either, I just don't like the death of Bin Laden being utilized for nationalistic reasons.

It seems like a hitman boasting about capturing a serial killer. No, I don't have any sympathy for the latter and think these Zeitgeisters are being stupid for falling into this trap of binary thinking, but I'm not going to join the celebration party of the former one either. If I'm going to have a drink, I'll choose my companionship with caution, thanks.

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Agent MattPosted: May 02, 2011 - 11:35
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So you equate people who hunt down criminals to hitmen?

Interesting display of binary thinking yourself CJ.

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CyborgJesusPosted: May 02, 2011 - 11:44
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You're not seriously trying to say that the only thing the USA are trying to achieve by military intervention overseas is to hunt down criminals?

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Agent MattPosted: May 02, 2011 - 11:49
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Who's talking about military intervention overseas? I thought the topic was OBL?

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MuertosPosted: May 02, 2011 - 12:19
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Exactly what I expected from Zeitgeisters. Many don't believe Osama is dead, or believe some other conspiracy theory, and most of the rest seem to think killing him is a bad thing.

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CyborgJesusPosted: May 02, 2011 - 12:19
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The topic was celebrating the death of Bin Laden and the nationalism that's inevitably gonna get mixed into that.

First, it's troubling, because it's obviously going to get used as a "Look, the US is fighting for peace!" kind of advertisement. The Hamas could use the same strategy: "Look, we're doing so much work for humanitarian goals. Without our kindergartens and clinics, what would these people do?". They would be right, but it naturally doesn't make up for all their cruelty and terror - same applies here.

Second, it ignores all the nuances and intricacies involved in the conflict. The funding, training and arming of the mujahideen to fight the Russians, which, if Bin Laden was not himself involved in it, allowed many people with similar ideas to rise up and spread their toxic propaganda. The support of Saudi-Arabia and its repressive nature, the support of Isreal at blocking the international consensus on a diplomatic settlement, the devastation of Iraq, the brutalization of Qutb, you could go on for hours.

To me, the pure existence of people like Bin Laden should be considered a failure of international diplomacy, and if you look at the part that the USA played in the rise of armed muslim extremists, and how easy it would have been to moderate, if not eliminate, these networks, I find it hard to understand why you should be celebrating right now.

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Agent MattPosted: May 02, 2011 - 12:22
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People like bin Laden would exist whether international diplomacy succeeded or failed. They create reasons to do what they do and people like yourself come along after the fact and rationalize their actions for them.

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anticultistPosted: May 02, 2011 - 12:24
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Agreed completely with Matt here.

Does not matter how you shine a light on this topic, terrorists and terrorism have existed because raving nutters are trying to impose their will on others through violence. Whichever way you look at it these types of fuckwits existed without the US intervention in the matter.

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Agent MattPosted: May 02, 2011 - 12:28
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Folks like CJ always talk about how the United States has played such a massive role in creating Islamic extremists, yet somehow forget how the United States went out of its way to protect Muslims in Yugoslavia.

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MuertosPosted: May 02, 2011 - 12:29
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My suggestion is that a debate on the geopolitical meaning of Osama's rise, fall and death, and the arguments about who or what has responsibility for creating him, should be relegated to another topic.

This topic should be a showcase for Zeitarded reactions to the news, not arguments about our own. Just my opinion.

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CyborgJesusPosted: May 02, 2011 - 12:47
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Sorry, but that's bullshit.

OBL got is ideology through Sayyid Qutb, who didn't start out as a nice guy by any standards, but didn't get involved in Islam until after he spent two years in the USA and found the American way of life(including racial segregation, at this time) to be inferior to that of Islam. Still, he only wrote his radical texts after he was convicted to 25 years of compulsory labor (and tortured) by the Egyptian government for being member of the muslim brotherhood.

I'm not saying that he was right to do any of this, but if you throw me in jail and torture me for years, I'm going to write radical texts, too.

Whether Bin Laden was just a lunatic or whether he considered terror a way to fight all the things I mentioned in my previous post (and which are resented by a large part of the Gulf population) is hard to say, but to ignore the effect oppression can have on an individual and blame it all on nuttiness is just ridiculous. I can't accept such an argument.

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anticultistPosted: May 02, 2011 - 12:49
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Then dont, but you wont get me agreeing with you, because terrorism was here long before you were born. The reasons for its existance are not exactly set in stone, and yeah its fucking insanity to want to kill other people for a religious or political ideology, Bin alladin inclusive.

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Agent MattPosted: May 02, 2011 - 13:51
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QUIT FUCKING UP THE THREAD AND START YOUR OWN CJ YOU COMMUNIST

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CyborgJesusPosted: May 02, 2011 - 13:58
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THREADS OF THE FORUMS, UNITE!

But yeah, back to the topic: TZM seems to offer any kind of CT you want, Bin Laden doesn't exist, he's Obama, he's not a terrorist, he's a terrorist but backed by the CIA, he's a terrorist but dead for four/ten years, he's not even caught, he's not the movement.

Seems like any contradicting view is welcome, as long as it's not "mainstream".

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Agent MattPosted: May 02, 2011 - 13:59
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"Seems like any contradicting view is welcome, as long as it's not "mainstream"."

That sums up the standard Zeitardian logic, yes.

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Inside JobPosted: May 02, 2011 - 21:29
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Parties in the street is a bit pathetic and over the top but I can't wait to see the Wikileaks footage from the SeAL that killed him.

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The Real RoxettePosted: May 02, 2011 - 21:30
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There ARE more sluts in public schools. Shut up and let me explain.

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Leave it to people from the EU to be on the moral high horse. No one is as moral and superior as them... hey, that sounds familiar, especially for Germans.

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Inside JobPosted: May 02, 2011 - 21:31
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^Huh?

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The Real RoxettePosted: May 02, 2011 - 21:33
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There ARE more sluts in public schools. Shut up and let me explain.

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Loud and clear: PEOPLE FROM THE EU (I.E. WESTERN EUROPEANS) ARE HYPER MORAL COCK SUCKERS WHO LOVE TO TELL THE REST OF THE WORLD HOW WRONG THEY ARE, BUT RARELY DO JACK SHIT EXCEPT COMPLAIN THAT EVERYONE THAT HAS A DARKER SKIN TONE THAN HEINRICH HIMMLER IS DESTROYING THEIR COUNTRY. They shit not only on Americans, but also we people from the CIS.

Was it that hard to understand, really?

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Omni-SciencePosted: May 02, 2011 - 21:37
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Ordo Ab Chao.

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Your points are invalid because you are a defector.

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