Skeptic Project

I'm a bit surprised by the fact that there is not one comment in this forum.....such passionate debate in the past. Well name calling at least. lol

I have no interest in the name calling but wish to discuss ideas put forward by the zeitgeist movement. As this is a debunking site I will, in the interest of debate, play the devils advocate and assume that they are correct in all their assumptions. Please understand this does not mean I believe every word published. As with all propaganda they pick and choose what they want to say.

The first point I would like to discuss is the current monetary system. My point of veiw on this subject is that due to competetion for resourses and the fact that scarcity = value we have hording. eg diamonds, dumping of food etc. This is not a conspiracy just good business. Yet we still have slaves digging up more diamonds and people starving all around the world. To me this points to an inhumane system that needs to change. (BTW you will not see me referencing the movies just highlighting some of the more relavant points that I see expressing themselves in my day to day life.)

So as a alternative to this system the zietgeist movement wants to remove the current monetary system and use technology to provide for free all the necessities of life. One great big world wide social benefit for all.

Now I can imagine that for most americans that don't have a social welfare that is pretty scary thought. But heres the thing, in NZ we already do this for every citizen just using money instead of free necessities. Now I lived in Brazil for a while which like the states has no social welfare and here is the difference from my experience.
In NZ we pay taxes that supply the poor with income that they spend how they like and crime is comparitivly low. In Brazil people spend a fortune on security and crime is comparitivly high.
So the difference isn't cost, it's freedom of choice for the poor. So if we abolish the current money system to remove competition and scarcity value on necessities could we assume that in return we would see an improvement in social development and social integrity.
Now I imagine that alot of people will now be thinking that if you don't have to work to survive in NZ then surly the majority would choose to not work. Well our current unemployment rate is 7.5% which is really high for us, how does that compare with the USA? There are definitly some who choose not to work, or to be criminal but the majority choose the other way.

I think thats enough for now, let us know what you all think.

Bart

Actually I do more or less agree with the artificial scarcity model as promoted by the technocratic movement (which Jacques Fresco was a part of a long time ago). You could also argue from the position of many libertarians (lassez-faire), Anarcho-Capitalists, and von Mises drones that there have always been poor people and they're necessary, but that seems a bit inhumane to me.

Capitalism has ups and downs, but as the population expands and technology advances, the gap widens and typically anything stopping the gap from widening is state involvement and artificial scarcity.

I've already considered starting my own thing:

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So far no one has posted on ideas yet, mostly because I haven't announced it, but feel free to go ahead.

God I hope thats not what you're advocating. Social engineering is a bad idea. Diversity is the only way forward. Human and bio!!