Skeptic Project

I'd like to know how national standards for IDs prove anything about the NWO or World Government. Considering most 1st (and 2nd) world countries on Earth have national standards for IDs and have had them for decades, most since the 1950s.

A single standard in the US would likely be a good thing, it would cut down on costs, forgery, and so forth. Some state IDs are easier to reproduce and fake than others. The only issue I worry about is if the standard ID would be secure enough. I'd also hope said standard ID would replace Social Security numbers for use of identification and uniqueness. Social Security numbers were never meant to be used like they are now, hence the massive rise in identity theft by using social security numbers.

National standards for things like IDs pop up in congress all the time, the difference now is more people are convinced that Obama is some sort of dictator, tyrant, socialist, nazi, communist, whatever, and so anything that happens, no matter what it is, will be bad. The same was true under Bush when several National ID proposals went through congress.

If the NWO is so powerful, why has every National ID standard proposal since the Clinton administration been rejected? Surely if "all the politicians" were in the NWO's pocket, it wouldn't have.

As for the biometrics part, we know from history that always gets stripped out because of inherit problems with biometric technology, and the fact that some people don't have anything to scan, so that part will not last in the bill for long.

All that being said, I'm going to go out on a limb here and ask you what you think is bad about a national standard for IDs.

By the way, Edward: not that I believe in the NWO conspiracy, but...

In Star Wars Episode 1, Queen Amidala was manipulated by Senator Palapatine into calling for a vote of no confidence in the chancellor. This move then caused other senators to buy in and others to not. This system in no way required that all politicians be in on the scam.

If the NWO conspiracy is legit, then this possibly explains why so many efforts get shot down. Perhaps it really is that difficult to get the politicians to buy into the elitists' desires. But they keep pushing and eventually win.

Look at all the Republican corporate types who insist that job applicants for their companies submit to drug testing and credit and background checks, then issue them photo ID cards as a condition of employment. Does Ron Paul complain about this police-state behavior?

National ID cards are one of those things that are merely assumed to be a harbinger of tyranny, but no one actually questions whether they are or not.

I'm with Edward, I don't understand the big deal about national ID cards. To NWO believers the bad aspects of them are self-evident, apparently, but they don't seem to be able to explain to anyone else what's so bad about them.

Conspiracy theorists love "slippery slope" arguments because they don't have to prove anything.

"NATIONAL ID CARDS!!!!!!!!! OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NEXT THING YOU KNOW THEY'LL BE SHOVELING PEOPLE INTO GAS CHAMBERS!!!!!"

Zero facts needed.

I hate that shit. One of the reasons I hate conspiracy theories, because it's all bullshit.

@ aaron What do you think will happen at the end of the "slippery slope"?

On topic, how will they use the nat'l ID cards against us? What are the theories here? Will it just make it easier for them? Is it anti-immigration, pro-immigration, or neither? Basically, what's the big deal?

I'm not a fan of the slippery slope thing. It almost never makes any sense. Here in Virginia, they're saying that legalization of gay marriage will lead to inter-species marriage and legalization of polygamy.

Muertos,

Some do. I've had seen people complaining that even requiring licenses to drive is totalitarian.

lolwutomfgstupid

@ Muertos, the NWOers would say your tolerance of the auto insurance is another sign of accepted gradualism. It gets to the point where people are so blind that they ignore the warning signs by claiming the steps leading to hell are paved with gold.

lofihigain, I'm not one for the NWO conspiracies. However, I'm willing to consider the dangers with this process going too far. For example, the national ID doesn't do much harm. But if it eventually stores things such as our personal information, our buying history, our genetic code, etc, who is to say someone can't get into the system and manipulate us? And by someone, I mean anyone - terrorists, hackers, whoever.

I don't think it would get that far, but who's to say it's impossible? I think that's a main facet of the NWO fear mongering.

@ aaronhatch: the NWOers would say that I'm an Illuminati shill anyway, so it's not really relevant what they would think.

@ Danny: the world is not split into good and evil. It's a lot more complicated than that.

Yeah, but to me, Illuminati believers, Alex Jones groupies, 9/11 Truthers, Zeitgeisters, Birthers and Ron Paul fanatics are all pretty much the same. Bunch of tinfoil hat nutbars with absolutely no evidence to support any of their claims, and yes they do buy into anti-homosexual, anti-Semitic and anti-democratic theories, whether they are aware of doing so or not.

Granted we all do share the belief that we are headed towards a one-world government.

Questions I always ask "one world government" believers:

1. Given the utter failure of every single attempt in human history to create a one world government, why do you believe that achieving a one world government is even possible, much less imminent?

2. Even assuming that a one world government is possible to create, why would it be undesirable? Why do you think it would mean loss of freedom?

@ Muertos, the world has not been connected like it is today for more than 50 years. Even the past 20-30 years have completely altered human society through new technologies. To compare past attempts to create a one world government with today is comparing two different worlds.

The chance of there being a one world government is much greater today because of the advances in communication, trading, and spreading of secularism throughout the planet.

I have to agree with aaron here, the idea of a one world government is much more plausible now than it ever was.

I don't think it is likely any time soon, or ever for that matter. It looks right now like there won't even be a super-power in a couple of decades, just a bunch of different nations trying to gain a foothold in the power-vacuum left by the receding US.

While we're on the topic of NWO, Fox News is getting pretty blatant about it:

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There's also an ad on the right side claiming you can get an iPad for 95% off the retail price.