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JimJesusPosted: May 07, 2011 - 14:11

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Level: 3

No, this is a cult.

Psychiatrist Dr. Robert J. Lifton has defined 8 criteria a group must fit to be a "thought-reforming totalist group." This criteria, ex-cultists found, also fits cults. Cult experts now use this as a line of demarcation in deciding what's a fringe group and what is a cult.

I'm still not done looking into this so 7 is still blank.

So here they are:


Control of communication within the group environment resulting in significant degree of isolation from the surrounding society. When non-members are labeled as ignorant, unspiritual, satanic, etc., group members conclude that outsiders have nothing worthwhile to teach them. Thus members are unlikely to look outside the group for information, especially spiritual information. Milieu control includes other techniques to restrict members' contact with the outside world and to be able to make critical, rational judgments about information: [This includes] not only the individual's communication with the outside, . . . but also . . . his communication with himself . . . Having experienced the impact of what they consider to be an ultimate truth, . . . they consider it their duty to create an environment containing no more and no less than this 'truth.' [The group member] is deprived of the combination of external information and inner reflection which anyone requires to test the realities of his environment and to maintain a measure of identity separate from it. . ."

In Desteni, criticism is deemed unhelpful. If you criticize you are not helping the solution. Poolman instructs his follows to block and ignore people and information who are critical of the group even to list videos that should be false flagged or false DMCA'd to silence dissent. To further show how bad this gets, opinions are discouraged and are not allowed on the forum. Doesn't matter if it's a good or bad opinion. They are discouraged. Only "facts."


The claim of divine authority or spiritual advancement that allows the leader to reinterpret events as he or she wishes, or make prophecies or pronouncements at will, all for the purpose of controlling group members. "Ideological totalists. . . are impelled by a special kind of mystique which not only justifies such manipulations, but makes them mandatory... They are the agents 'chosen' (by history, by God, or by some other supernatural force) to carry out the 'mystical imperative,' the pursuit of which must supersede all considerations of decency or of immediate human welfare. Similarly, any thought or action which questions the higher purpose is considered to be stimulated by a lower purpose, to be backward, selfish, and petty in the face of the great overriding mission." "One is asked to accept these manipulations on a basis of trust (or faith). . . When trust gives way to mistrust. . . the higher purpose cannot serve as adequate emotional sustenance . . .feeling himself unable to escape from forces more powerful than himself, he subordinates everything to adapting himself to them. He becomes sensitive to all kinds of cues."

This one is easy for Desteni. They practice channeling, meditation, ad other forms of hypnotic rituals including illegal drug use to further their knowledge on Desteni.


Members are constantly exhorted to strive for perfection. Consequently, guilt and shame are common and powerful control devices. "The experiential world is sharply divided into the pure and the impure, into the absolutely good and the absolutely evil. The good and the pure are of course those ideas, feelings, and actions which are consistent with the totalist ideology and policy; anything else is apt to be relegated to the bad and the impure . . . The philosophical assumption underlying this demand is that absolute purity . . . is attainable. . .. [B]y defining and manipulating the criteria of purity, and then by conducting an all-out war upon impurity, the ideological totalists create a narrow world of guilt and shame. This is perpetuated by an ethos of continuous reform, a demand that one strive permanently and painfully for something which not only does not exist but is in fact alien to the human condition. . .. Each person is made vulnerable through his profound inner sensitivities to his own limitations and to his unfulfilled potential. . .[i.e.,] his existential guilt. . . He must also look upon his impurities as originating from outside influences."

Rank and file followers of the cult of Desteni very often refer to feelings of guilt and shame for not living up to the standards of purity required. This has been induced in them by their adherence to the Desteni doctrine. In their constant striving for self-perfection, there is the illusion that they must conform to the ideology or simply be left to rot. Memebers are told to shave their head to remove the "crown" people use to enhance their persona. Which leads us to...


Sins, as defined by the group, are to be confessed, either privately to a personal monitor or publicly to the group at large. "Confession is the demand that one confess to crimes one has not committed, to sinfulness that is artificially induced, in the name of a cure that is arbitrarily imposed." "In totalist hands, confession becomes a means of exploiting, rather than offering solace for, these vulnerabilities. . . The assumption underlying total exposure... is the environment's claim to total ownership of each individual self within it. . ..[T]he cult of confession makes it virtually impossible to attain a reasonable balance between worth and humility."

In the Desteni cult, this is called self-redemption. Poolman has his followers create YouTube, forum, and other social media accounts talking about their deepest secrets as a redeem yourself from past sins. This, like Scientology's auditor files, are later used against them if they leave.


The doctrine of the group is considered the ultimate Truth, beyond all questioning or disputing. The leader of the group is likewise above criticism as the spokesperson for God on earth. "An aura of sacredness around its basic dogma, holding it out as an ultimate moral vision for the ordering of human existence. This sacredness is evident in the prohibition (whether or not explicit) against the questioning of basic assumptions." "While thus transcending ordinary concerns of logic, however, the milieu at the same time makes an exaggerated claim of airtight logic, of absolute 'scientific' precision. . . the man who dares to criticize it, or to harbor even unspoken alternative ideas, becomes not only immoral and irreverent, but also 'unscientific." "At the level of the individual, the totalist sacred science can offer much comfort and security."

Yea, Equal Money is a fact, and it common sense. If you don't agree, you're not following facts. Poolman on Science & Equal Money: Also worth noting that once the world adopts Equal Money, there will be heaven on earth. (not unlike the Moonies)


The group develops a jargon in many ways unique to itself, often non-understandable to outsiders. This jargon consists of numerous words and phases which the members understand (or think they do), but which really act to dull one's ability to engage in critical thinking. "The language of the totalist environment is characterized by the thought-terminating cliché. The most far-reaching and complex of human problems are compressed into brief, highly reductive, definitive sounding phrases, easily memorized and easily expressed. These become the start and finish of any ideological analysis."

In Desteni they do have cult words but they aren't that many exclusive to them, however they do barrow a lot of terms from the new-age crap handbook. Here's some.
1+1=2 - If you double something, it's twice as good.
'is best for all' This follows anything related to desteni and is often used alone as an argument. "Desteni is best for all" "Equal Money is best for all"
Portals - some kind of exradimensional thing you enter when in trance states so you can talk to Hitler or a gas pump
facts - anything that supports EMS. Be it channel reports, drug trip reports, Hitler essays...etc.


The personal experiences of the group members are subordinated to the "Truth" held by the group-apparently contrary experiences must be denied or re-interpreted to fit the doctrine of the group. The doctrine is always more important than the individual. "Another characteristic feature of ideological totalism: the subordination of human experience to the claims of doctrine. . . Consequently, past historical events are retrospectively altered, wholly rewritten, or ignored, to make them consistent with the doctrinal logic. . . the demand that character and identity be reshaped, not in accordance with one's special nature or potentialities, but rather to fit the rigid contours of the doctrinal mold."

(researching specifics)


The group arrogates to itself the prerogative to decide who has the right to exist and who does not. Usually held non-literally, this means that those outside the group are unspiritual, worldly, satanic, "unconscious," or whatever, and that they must be converted to the ideas of the group or they will be lost. If they refuse to join the group, then they must be rejected by the group members, even if they are family members. "For the individual, the polar emotional conflict is the ultimate existential one of 'being versus nothingness.' He is likely to be drawn to a conversion experience, which he sees as the only means of attaining a path of existence for the future. . . The totalist environment . . . thus stimulates in everyone a fear of extinction or annihilation. . . A person can overcome this fear and find. . .'confirmation,' not in his individual relationships, but only from the fount of all existence, the totalist Organization. Existence comes to depend upon creed (I believe, therefore I am), upon submission (I obey, therefore I am) and beyond these, upon a sense of total merger with the ideological movement."

Tragically, the deaths in Rancho Santa Fe, illustrate dispensing of existence literally. It appears that all these processes were present to one degree or another in the group now known as Heaven's Gate. The personality and critical thinking of the victims was systematically eroded by the environment and attitudes established by the leader. "You're right Mr. Applewhite, suicide is the wrong word for what happened in that rented mansion in Rancho Santa Fe. The right word is murder."

The most seductive evil is when a leader comes across as being very nice, peaceful, genuine and friendly, who seems to be a sincere believer in high-minded and lofty ideals. But the means don't justify the end. In Heaven's Gate, these weren't people who pulled any triggers. They just masterminded a mental state that coerced everyone else to murder themselves.

In Desteni if you are critical or decide EMS is bogus, you will be banned and blocked from all contact methods to the Desteni group. They will do anything to attempt to demonize and silence your criticism by any means nessassary.

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anticultistPosted: May 07, 2011 - 14:14

Brainwashing you for money

Level: 15
CS Original

use < blockquote >

to define the lifton quotes

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JimJesusPosted: May 07, 2011 - 14:19

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Level: 3

Meh, too lazy to go back now.

Lifton lecture:

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anticultistPosted: May 07, 2011 - 14:21

Brainwashing you for money

Level: 15
CS Original

I used Liftons points and research in my first ever post on my blog. I think the guys here know him as well as he has been discussed, as have his points on thought reform in the past.
So the comparisons are probably important to highlight, it only takes a few minutes to edit your post.

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Agent MattPosted: May 07, 2011 - 15:21

Genuine American Monster

Level: 70
CS Original

Destini is a cult and we are also ad homonidz.

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