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Just FYI, we now have an article, currently in wiki format, debunking global warming denial here:
http://conspiracyscience.com/blog/wiki-global-warming-denial/</p>

I have also written a blog announcing the article and making clear that this is not intended as a political statement, here:
http://conspiracyscience.com/blog/2010/05/18/conspiracyscience-com-addresses-global-warming-denial/</p>

Now we have something to link to when people come on this forum asking us to "debunk" An Inconvenient Truth or classify climate change as a conspiracy theory.

Sil, you're correct that there are errors in AIT. In the Wiki article there's a link to a comprehensive discussion of them (more than one, actually) and the British court case deals with those errors in depth.

I disagree that we need an article on CONSP-SCI about it, though, and here's why. I see AIT as a fundamentally different film than Zeitgeist or the Alex Jones movies. The primary purpose of those movies is to promote belief in conspiracy theories. While they masquerade as documentaries, they aren't real documentaries--the documentary angle is just a sham to promote conspiracy theories which are factually unsupportable as a fundamental matter.

The basic thesis of Zeitgeist is that Christ is fake, 9/11 was an inside job and bankers rule the world. That basic thesis is false. The basic thesis of Obama Deception is that Obama is some sort of evil puppet master (or puppet).

AIT is different, because it IS a real documentary, and it is not promoting conspiracy theories. Its basic thesis is true and supportable. Yes, it contains errors. Most documentaries do. I'm quite annoyed with almost everything I see on History Channel because of the numerous errors in them and extremely poor quality control. But, as poor as some of those documentaries are, they are documentaries, not conspiracy propaganda. (Unless HC shows crap like "The Men Who Killed Kennedy" which they have been known to do--that is clearly a conspiracy propaganda film).

I think to devote a specific article to AIT on this site, alongside Zeitgeist and Obama Deception, would have the opposite effect that you suggest--people would consider that because we chose to list it at all, we must implicitly be stating that it's a conspiracy film or at least has common elements with the other movies Edward has debunked. Part of the reason why global warming deniers like Brad270 are so eager to have Edward do an article on AIT is because of the connotation they can then draw between AIT and true conspiracy films. I think it would have the effect of legitimizing the view that AIT is fraudulent and that global warming is a conspiracy theory on the same level as NWO or 9/11 Twoof.

I'm interested to hear others' opinions though.

I just read that thanks, I didnt check all the sources yet and I will read the ones I am interested in first but thanks for putting that together.

Yeah, things along those lines. But like I said, Muertos brings up a good point... it would probably only be beneficial if these reviews were released all at once in their own section. On the bright side, it's not as much debunking as a conspiracy film.

Yeah, people would be up in arms if we "quote mined" an AJ film (oh the irony), but I don't think they would care so much about an Oliver Stone film. What other movies do you think would you want to be included?

I guess the best way would be to find "mainstream" movies/documents that are often cited by conspiracy theorists as evidence of a NWO/Illuminati/etc. Like Danny linked Food, Inc. a few weeks ago... not sure how popular that movie is on the conspiracy circuit, but maybe it has a few inaccuracies that are worth pointing out.

You mean the fake Iron Mountain document?

I could do a rundown on JFK, but I've got a lot on my plate right now...still meaning to do that article on the hijackers-are-still-alive.

The Majestic 12 document is another constantly sourced fake document.

It's a bunker where the government would go if there was a nuclear holocaust, supposedly. As attractive to CT's as a ten inch turd is to a cloud of flies.