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Agent MattPosted: Jun 09, 2011 - 07:39
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To begin with, from that period of my life I have true personal experience of what it really means to be ABSOLUTELY CONVINCED. So what I have said about this earlier has a back-up in true experience. I was a guy in my 20:s, who saw rational solutions to everything. Everything was simple. I was there for a year, and we handled critics with the attitude “oh, they just need education…” (have you seen that attitude before?)

Scientology is – if you study it - actually based on some “science”. They have the E-meter (electronically a Wheatstone bridge), yes, the same device used as lie detectors.
You hold two cans, and a needle shows your reactions to stimulus. If you inflict pain – e.g. somebody pinches you in the arm - the needle reacts immediately (it moves to the right and stays there for a while).
Afterwards (an hour or so), when you hold the cans again and just recall the memory of the pinching – the needle reacts the same way. It doesn’t stay on the right quite as long, though, but goes back. If you recall the memory again, and again, the needle after a while stops reacting at all. This is something you can repeat, and as such a perfect scientific experiment – even if it does not confirm to “the scientific method” - at least not the "authorized" use of it.
This way, in Scn you use the E-meter as a guide to painful memories as such, where the needle always points to areas of interests. Also if you can’t remember the incident, the needle still reacts, even if it happened 25 years ago. When the auditor (who sits behind the E-meter), asks questions and insists on it, the memories can come back.
Or longer than 25 years ago...
The girl I mentioned before, who remembered a past life, was also a scientologist, and she got her memories this way. The rest you know.
Make no mistake, scientology is an elitist organization who see themselves as having the right to force other people, even to injure or kill its enemies. It’s organized as a military force, they wear uniforms and they have titles like “Commander”, “Officer” and so on. But the E-meter just is what it is.

So, even if this is not the correct scientific method in action, it’s probably something equivalent, some version of a scientific method which, as we have already concluded, can be used or misused. It was also without a doubt a belief system, which I have freed myself from.
When I say I got out from it "the hard way", I mean the "easy way" would just be to deny it all totally. The "political" ascpect of Scn does not cancel out the fact that there are certain things of interest here.

http://www.thezeitgeistmovement.com/joomla/index.php?option=com_kunena&func=view&catid=8&id=338905&limit=20&limitstart=40&Itemid=100114&lang=en#342142

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Wolf BirdPosted: Jun 09, 2011 - 09:15
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I shoot you dead.

Level: 9
CS Original

Nice to see there's at least SOME good stuff from their forums to repost here.

LOL DEFENDING SCIENTOLOGY. TZM really is more about pseudoscience than actual science.

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domokatoPosted: Jun 09, 2011 - 12:06
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lol, insisting a past event happened even though you can't remember it, to the point where it causes a measurable physical reaction, is definitely proof the event happened! Hmmm...guess he doesn't know false memories are a thing.

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Agent MattPosted: Jun 09, 2011 - 12:08
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Genuine American Monster

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Apparently this particular Zeitard was a Scientologist in the 80s.

At least he's found a group of cranks who won't steal his money this time.

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Caramel ColorPosted: Jun 09, 2011 - 15:58
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hey sailor

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It's all bullshit. I took one of those scientologist intro exams (whats the name?) on a lunch break once for shits and giggles. Yes you do hold tin can things and the needle on the e-meter just moves according to how hard you squeeze. It doesn't "remember" things. They ask you generalized questions like, "are you often stressed?"

Then things got weird when I wouldn't buy Dianetics and I left.

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