Skeptic Project

Paul Bonacci = Liar, Project Monarch has never been ever proved to exist outside of the lies of Cathy O'Brien and then anyone else who jumped on her bandwagon saying "oh yeah... me too!"

Ted Gunderson = Liar or nut, or both. Just because he at one point worked for the FBI doesn't mean he's not susceptible to delusions. For example, that former test pilot who now believes aliens control the entire world, and he's considered an American hero.

To them I say: where's the proof? Where's the proof? Where's the proof? Where's the proof?

There are countless, literally millions, of declassified CIA and FBI files that mention secret programs, some of which are still secret and we just see the words. Yet there's no mention anywhere at any time of "Project Monarch." No one ever before Cathy O'Brien (who has the most ludicrous story with absolutely zero proof) has ever mentioned "Project Monarch."

Furthermore if they've been poisoning fish and birds through chemtrails for 70 years or so, why haven't there been mass extinctions of birds and fish? Or are they just covering it up?

Is the pedophile ring even real or is it a part of the child sex/satanic panics of the 1980s? Is there any proof he actually said something about the ranch before hand?

As a somewhat off-topic note, a few minutes ago, I was surprised to find that Roseanne Barr is one of the people that believes the Project Monarch stuff

Also, Gunderson at least is a big proponent of chemtrails, which is one of the most ridiculous CT claims. There's even a whole site out there dedicated to this one claim alone. And I'm going to take the time to debunk Gunderson's chemtrail nonsense.

http://contrailscience.com/</p>

There's a huge amount of info on this site. But in short, chemtrails are bunk. Burning jet fuel is a combustion reaction. One byproduct combustion reactions is water. Water vapor is thus present in jet exhaust, though how much can vary depending on the jet's engine; some produce more than others. When the temperature and humidity at the altitude at which the jet is flying is just right (I.E., cold and humid) and there's the right amount of water vapor in jet exhausted, the water vapor condenses into ice crystals, and these then form long clouds which spread out. It's the same mechanism by which clouds naturally form.

Also, conditions various levels of the atmosphere can vary greatly. It might be warm and dry on the ground and the sky nice and clear, but it can still be cold and humid enough at 30,000 feet for persistent contrails to form from jet exhaust. A few feet of altitude of can make a huge difference in the temperature and humidity of air, and thus, in whether or not a contrail will form.

There have been contrails since the beginning of aviation. It's atmospheric conditions, and really, a predictable and natural phenomenon. We don't need to explain them with chemical spraying like Mr. Gunderson claims. He's totally wrong on this, and given what else I know about him, he's wrong on many of his other claims. As Rox said, being a former FBI agent does not mean immune to delusions.

I have seen some things to indicate Gunderson wasn't right (and may even be lying)...so thanks for that info

But I'm kind of wondering...Why do so many people believe O'Brien? They seem to use her stories as a basis for belief in mind control

But I'm kind of wondering...Why do so many people believe O'Brien? They seem to use her stories as a basis for belief in mind control

Why do so many people believe in alien abduction? Reptoids? Project Bluebeam? Jesus Christ?

Also we have an article for chemtrails:

http://conspiracies.skepticproject.com/articles/chemtrails/

I've read that Cathy O'Brien's book has 40 pages of photographic evidence (of government reports, press releases, etc)

Is this true? And if it exists, is it all faked or is it stuff that's irrelevent to her book.

I've never really read the book and don't want to, but I wonder if someone here has.

I'm wondering if she's just crazy or if she's actually lying to gain money or attention?

Thanks, Matt. I don't really want to read it...it sounds way too crazy...but it's very disturbing how many people believe what she wrote. That's the reason I figured I'd find out more

It's just too much crazy, even for me.