Skeptic Project

Just checked out everything. Seems to be this individual is honest and admits Peter is the leader of TZM. He also describes how Peter does call the shots on every major decisions within his movement. this also suggest their is a disconnection by the higher up's and the peons there. This is the very reason this CND project has started up.

Although a interesting attempt to change a organization up; I've never seen these type of internet group change how it's run unless the higher up's go away.

Just keep in mind CND is no different from what RBE and RBOSE attempted to do when they were in TZM. They made a letter to Peter Joseph and Peter Joseph continued to ignore it. Letters are below.

RBOSE letter to Peter
http://www.4shared.com/document/eOt2Mebf/Letter_To_Peter.html</p>

Peter letter to RBOSE
http://www.4shared.com/document/P4NaQPdw/Peters_Reply_to_the_Letter.html</p>

You guys are beating a drum in my opinion that's been beat several times before. Although I wish you and CND luck I have a feeling this cycle will just continue. Expect to be ousted and denounced by TZM within a few months.

It's not just TZM that does this it's and group on the internet that will do this. If a person however lucks out with a good leader with good admins then one probably will never have to do this.

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Peter responded to this Brian Guy saying

Brian,
Okay.
I appreciate your ambition but I, along with many others do not view The
Movement in the same context or see the problems that have been
generated from that view. I see misunderstanding about The Movement's
focus/intent more than anything, along with a detached ideology
attempting to be imposed. It is interesting to me how during my
experience with this work that 99% of the "problems" assumed always
generate from a very small group who then work to magnify those often
contrived issues, hence creating the problems for their own purposes. I
have been watching the CND activity from afar and it appears that the
very nature of The Movement as a group expression has been lost and
redefined, serving as a giant interference and distraction from actual
external work. I see this in your language, even thought I know it isn't
your intent. Such as "called for by general demand". What demand? The
random people in the forum or in your group?
Those that are having an effect out there in the field are mostly not in
communication with you or the CND. They are doing real actions, with
real effects - "getting shit done", as I like to put it.

I have been doing this a long time now and I have read probably 100,000
emails from site users/members illuminating every kind of praise and
complaint imaginable. I have spent 100s of hours in meetings personal
and public and am very aware of what is working and what isn't. Frankly,
I have seen this kind of thing rise and fall many many times and I can
tell already this will be yet another mess. I apologize for sounding
irritated but I simple don't have time for this which is why it has
taken so long to respond.
Before, I go any further, let's go back to what The Zeitgeist Movement
actually is, as per its working operation since 2008:

The Zeitgeist Movement is an activist/awareness organization which seeks
to generate a global community that shares a common goal. That goal is
toward a new socio-economic model that is sustainable for all the
world's people in the most technically, environmentally and socially
responsible manner possible. (TVP used to be our dataset but as everyone
knew ( or should have known ) - the TVP was yet another variation of the
same theme towards a sustainable train of thought for social conduct.)

TZM in form is composed of a deliberately simplified set of parameters.
1)Members, 2) Coordinators, 3) Chapters, 4) Teams & 5) Projects.
A Member shares TZM values and understandings with an interest to
educate others towards those derived goals. They are "members"
essentially if they are active within a Chapter.

A Chapter is simply a set of people categorized by region and due to the
very nature of such a collective; given the general need for
organization and to diligently execute Projects, a "Chapter Coordinator"
is helpful.

A Chapter Coordinator has 2 roles and neither have any basis in
authority.
a) The Coordinator serves to simply organize and assist in Chapter
relates affairs. [ IE- making calls, renting venues, helping members get
situated, etc} Very simple.
b) The other role is as a condensed version of the Chapter group's
perspective for the sake of information relay to the other Chapters
through Meetings, by Tier. This is also very simple. Ideas brought up by
Regional Chapters meet consensus with their group for ideas and the
Coordinator takes such ideas to the next teir (if applicable on the
global level) , moving upwards in a reverse hierarchy. Frankly, this is
rare, for TZM Chapters really work on their own, working to educate
their own region.

While the manner of reaching such a "rational consensus" can be
suggested to each chapter for consideration, none of us have an
authority to dictate the manner by which each Chapter engages their own,
internal activity. This is the nature of being Holographic and emergent.
The only issue, of course, is the quality of their work to educate the
public. (In theory, a Chapter could operate without any reference or
communication to other Chapters or the Global Set- but that would be
logically counterproductive give the mutually accepted, defining
principle necessity to generate "Critical Mass".)

So, if you are in a chapter and wish to apply a wiki style decision
making approach to your group, then it is up to your group to decide if
that is viable. But that doesn't change anything as far as how
information about generating awareness is done broadly, which is custom
specific. As an aside, the wiki approach in this context also as serious
problems for it can be infiltrated by aggressive subgroups, meeting
their own "consensus" as the expense of those who actually care, but
might not have the time to engage, creating a false/misleading sense of
a democratic process.

As of now, I don't care about "moderators", "coordinators" or even
"members" as structural entities nor do I see a need for a rigid process
of interaction or definition overall at this time in the context you
prescribe. The entire "structure" of TZM could disband tomm and in
theory it might not change anything as far as people's behavior to
support a new social direction through community effort and reason. All
I know is that the more we theorize and try to create rigid uniformity,
especially with the context of "participation" to "direct" TZM, the
faster we will destroy ourselves through arbitrary conflicts and
personal vendettas. We need to bloom outward immediately with rapid
awareness projects or fail. Keep it simply, open and moving forward with
an external view. That is what I am doing and that is the only reason we
have accomplished what we have on the scale we have so far.

So, to respond to your stated notion that "Present structure creates a
perception of a de-facto, quasi-authoritarian leadership.", I see the
imposition of the uniformity you suggest as about 100 times for
restrictive and complicating by the very nature of the interaction
itself, with a high probability of abuse. It will likely slow our work,
not expand it.

Also, TZM is not a "governing" organization. It is not a deciding body
for the future of human kind. It is not a mirror of what the new system
will look like in operation and nor could we ever attempt such a thing
at this time. TZM a hardcore awareness/activist group moving as fast
possible to get the public onboard and interested in a new social system
based on resources and reason...whatever that may be, before it is too
late.

I would much rather see your excellent train of thought be applied to
our new Think Tank Project which is going to serve as a replacement for
TVP as a dataset. A public , wiki approach to this technical redesign
project will apply and work ( formally known as From Earth to Venus ). I
do agree with the process in than manner for it has a non-ambigious
purpose and opinion is less likely to prevail and abuse is not possible
as each notion must be sourced and verified. (This is where the wiki
concept shines and I look forward to the application of an AI data
engine to this new medium of social contribution in the future.)

Peter"

Dear Nice TZM guy,

I used to be you.

Signed,

Me.

Peter actually said all that needs to be said in that letter above - he's seen it all, done it all and knows it all. At this point there really is no point in TZM having members, Peter is enough. All he needs is people that will pay for his trips, venues, movies and media appearances. Fresco never got this so he got canned, so will everyone else.

p.s. what a fucking douche :-)