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MuertosPosted: Sep 26, 2011 - 16:01
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Our own sometime contributor Jim Jesus caught this one.

http://www.jimjesus.com/2011/09/peter-joseph-quote-mines-keynes-to-lie.html
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The Burger KingPosted: Sep 26, 2011 - 16:37
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Jim Jesus pretty much slam dunk this. I recommend for people who are tired of reading Peter Joseph stuff to just read this through. It's really good and shows a person the type of deceptions Peter Joseph is willing to stoop to to fit his agenda which if you don't already know is to manipulate, twist, and or out right lie about data /quotes intentionally.

How can you unintentionally not say the title of a book right and at that change it to fit his agenda and then quote only a segment of a book about how technological unemployment will happen, but not leave out that technological unemployment will happen for a brief period of time then... Totally intentional. I appreciate that someone keeps tabs on this stuff.
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CyborgJesusPosted: Sep 26, 2011 - 17:49
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From the same essay:

I draw the conclusion that, assuming no important wars and no important increase in population, the economic problem may be solved, or be at least within sight of solution, within a hundred years. This means that the economic problem is not-if we look into the future-the permanent problem of the human race.


That is quite interesting. Are there Keynesians around here who can tell me whether he wrote more on solving the economic problem?
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Kaiser FalknerPosted: Sep 26, 2011 - 18:12
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10 Ameros says Merola either ignores this completely, or says we're so insane that we can't read Keynes.
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CyborgJesusPosted: Sep 27, 2011 - 02:42
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It's not even the case that Merola would have to quote mine these people to fit the narrative of alternative economics. If you read the entire essay, Keynes seems quite open towards solving the economic problem and gives some rather logical suggestions on how future generations might succeed with that.

But instead of using that, he takes another paragraph out of context and screws up the source. I get that creationists and the like have to use these tactics to support their erroneous ideas, but this is just...lazy.
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Agent MattPosted: Sep 27, 2011 - 10:32
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Merola may not be lying, he may simply be incompetent.
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The Burger KingPosted: Sep 27, 2011 - 15:09
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What about those big words he uses Agent Matt? Using big words to confuse people means he's smart?
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Agent MattPosted: Sep 27, 2011 - 22:27
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Its just word salad.
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The Burger KingPosted: Sep 28, 2011 - 02:39
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Muertos can you follow Peter's word salads?
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CyborgJesusPosted: Sep 28, 2011 - 03:22
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They're always the same words. You're not a good writer if you make the same point again and again with needlessly complex language, you're just another douchy arts student.
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JimJesusPosted: Apr 20, 2014 - 12:16
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So I was skimming the latest Newspeak Dicton...I mean Zeitgeist Movement Orientation book and found this little gem:

His general dismissal of the issue of humans being displaced
by machines, later to be called "technological unemployment" will also
be found in common with many other economists that followed him,
including John Maynard Keynes (1883-1946), who stated, in line with
Ricardo's general assumption of "adjustment": "We are being afflicted
with a new disease of which some readers may not yet have heard the
name, but of which they will hear a great deal in the years to come -
namely, technological unemployment. This means unemployment due
to our discovery of means of economizing the use of labour outrunning
the pace at which we can find new uses for labour. But this is only a
temporary phase of maladjustment. All this means in the long run that
mankind is solving its economic problem." 230

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230 Source: Economic Possibilities for Our Grandchildren, John Maynard
Keynes, 1931


Looks like Merola reads my blog! :D
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