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anticultistPosted: Jun 15, 2010 - 22:13
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By the way three check that alexa site stats out on tzm, matts inference was technically not ad hominem or even wrong because the stats show the age 18-24 bracket/male/home/litttle college education as being the stats.

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Agent MattPosted: Jun 15, 2010 - 22:13
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Sounds good. I'm not the one with anything to lose.

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threePosted: Jun 15, 2010 - 22:15
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I have nothing to lose either, but everything to gain for humanity.

you could hack the forums, burn all the DVDs, crash the teamspeak server, kidnap PJ, but the movement would continue because the ideas are to unite humanity with mother earth - and that exists within all of us.

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threePosted: Jun 15, 2010 - 22:16
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thanks anticultist, but that doesnt prove they think food is made from thin air or whatever.

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Agent MattPosted: Jun 15, 2010 - 22:16
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You seem to have a pretty intense personal emotional investment in this Zeitgeist thing.

I consider that something to lose.

Personally, I hope it flops hard but since I think it will without anyone's help I don't have to really hope that much.

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threePosted: Jun 15, 2010 - 22:18
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well, then i guess u can stop posting in this forum then.

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anticultistPosted: Jun 15, 2010 - 22:18
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hmmm hippies thought that in the 60s before tzm appeared on the scene. the green movements were advertising it long before tzm began.

So if thats why youre into TZM you could quite easily join any movement

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Agent MattPosted: Jun 15, 2010 - 22:18
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Is that what this is really about? Getting the last word? If so, have at it.

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threePosted: Jun 15, 2010 - 22:19
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And also, the ideas of the movement are in my mind, and no one can take that from me. so, i have nothing that i CAN lose.

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threePosted: Jun 15, 2010 - 22:20
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what makes you think the hippie movement and VP are separate?

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threePosted: Jun 15, 2010 - 22:20
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@Matt - last word? this is far from over.

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anticultistPosted: Jun 15, 2010 - 22:21
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because jacque hates metaphysics and he wont share his ideas with any other person or movement, and he wont make movies unless hes the only solution.

The hippies are not tvp thats a certainty. jacque is a pretty hateful troll about things he doesnt like

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sorryPosted: Jun 15, 2010 - 22:25
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Yes, but here's the issue, three. I can think of a utopia where an RBE works flawlessly. The problem is that what I have imagined is based on preconceived notions, prejudices, and biases. It takes reality - things outside of our minds - to accomplish anything. The moment we set foot out of our minds and into objective reality, we have the manifestations you're referring to. Those are in the forms of a forum, DVDs, group members, etc. The forum is a manifestation of the minds behind the movement. And it is being run by cult-like moderators.

The passion behind the movement is certainly within the person, and that can't be taken away. But that doesn't solve the physical problems.

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threePosted: Jun 15, 2010 - 22:25
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metaphysics = pseudoscience

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anticultistPosted: Jun 15, 2010 - 22:25
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TVP = non science

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threePosted: Jun 15, 2010 - 22:26
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but aaron, when enought people hold the ideas in the minds, it takes no effort at all to change. it can happen in an instant. no work. no suffering. thats why education is so important.

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sorryPosted: Jun 15, 2010 - 22:27
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What tools for education do you suggest?

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Sil the ShillPosted: Jun 15, 2010 - 22:27
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"but aaron, when enought people hold the ideas in the minds, it takes no effort at all to change. it can happen in an instant. no work. no suffering. thats why education is so important. "

Seems TZM is all about the no effort part.

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threePosted: Jun 15, 2010 - 22:27
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threePosted: Jun 15, 2010 - 22:28
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Sil, im sorry but theres no way of you knowing what kind of effort every member of TZM does on a daily basis. please, he without sin cast the first stone.

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threePosted: Jun 15, 2010 - 22:29
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@aaron, talking to my neighbor. making artwork about how humanity can live. making songs, poetry. making movies. having parties, celebrating our peace. whatever.

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Agent MattPosted: Jun 15, 2010 - 22:30
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I'm starving. Gonna go make a nutritious art sandwich.

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sorryPosted: Jun 15, 2010 - 22:30
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I watched the Hicks video. The word I should have used was what "ideas" would you educate people with? What information should be people know that will be integral as they let go of all effort?

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threePosted: Jun 15, 2010 - 22:32
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@Matt.... food grows naturally you know? animals roam free. hunting is an art :)

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Agent MattPosted: Jun 15, 2010 - 22:32
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Somehow I don't believe you hunt or grow your own food and you would starve if you suddenly had to.

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threePosted: Jun 15, 2010 - 22:34
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aaron...these ideas: how mother nature works. how to sustain ourselves on this planet. how to cooperate. how to heal the sick. how to purify water. how to maintain a fit body. how to think clearly.

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threePosted: Jun 15, 2010 - 22:36
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@Matt - first, yes i do grow my own food, and can hunt with a rifle.

second, that proves nothing since i still live in a monetary system and like i said, acting like i dont is suicide.

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Sil the ShillPosted: Jun 15, 2010 - 22:36
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"Sil, im sorry but theres no way of you knowing what kind of effort every member of TZM does on a daily basis. please, he without sin cast the first stone. "

You're right, there is no way for me to know what every single member of TZM does on a daily basis. But, there are enough posts out there from TZM members that only talk of "spreading the word". If you believe that simply "spreading the word" is actually doing something, then that's where our disagreement stems from.

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sorryPosted: Jun 15, 2010 - 22:36
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That sounds fine. Now, are you referring to "no work" and "no effort" in a Taoist, Wu Wei manner? Are you suggesting that we ought to let go of stressful work and go with what we feel naturally?

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Agent MattPosted: Jun 15, 2010 - 22:37
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"second, that proves nothing since i still live in a monetary system and like i said, acting like i dont is suicide."

So basically it just gives you a loophole to talk about stuff that you don't actually have to consistently live up to.

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