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sorry | Posted: Jun 15, 2010 - 23:21 |
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Level: 12 CS Original | But three, you are passing out DVDs and materials and educating people on "ideas" that you haven't tested yet! You haven't tested and analyzed any data to support your conclusions. You have created arguments that have no scientific basis. | |||||
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sorry | Posted: Jun 15, 2010 - 23:23 |
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Level: 12 CS Original | double | |||||
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three | Posted: Jun 15, 2010 - 23:24 |
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Level: 1 CS Original | you need to think long and hard about what would cause a pedophile to feel that way towards children. there are root causes. mostly stemming from control issues, the same with rape. this stems from feelings of lacking, no self worth, and all the rest of it. i am offering that a RBE would not only eliminate pedophilia, but would bring about a multitude of issues we cannot even forsee at this time. and they arent all sexual or violence. | |||||
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three | Posted: Jun 15, 2010 - 23:25 |
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Level: 1 CS Original | @aaron, that is simply not true. there are studies done that prove environment causes behavior. just like the #1 thing u can do to make someone violent is send them to prision. | |||||
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sorry | Posted: Jun 15, 2010 - 23:27 |
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Level: 12 CS Original | Thinking long and hard about issues is not scientific. There needs to be analyzed data showing that pedophilia dissolves in an RBE. Just thinking about it doesn't explain all variables. For example, I thought long and hard about 911. I concluded the government had to do it for many reasons. And yet, my fallible mind failed me. "i am offering that a RBE would not only eliminate pedophilia, but would bring about a multitude of issues we cannot even forsee at this time. and they arent all sexual or violence." If we can't foresee all issues, how can we predict what's going to happen? | |||||
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sorry | Posted: Jun 15, 2010 - 23:29 |
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Level: 12 CS Original | three, if you google "nature vs nurture", you will see that both environment and genes affect us. It is not one or the other. You are talking to an educational psychologist who just got an A in a grad school human development class. I'm not talking out of my ass, man. | |||||
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three | Posted: Jun 15, 2010 - 23:29 |
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Level: 1 CS Original | we can predict to a certain extent, but there are always things we dont even know we dont know. | |||||
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sorry | Posted: Jun 15, 2010 - 23:30 |
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Level: 12 CS Original | So you can you be certain that pedophilia will dissolve in an RBE if you haven't analyzed the results of an RBE prototype city? | |||||
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three | Posted: Jun 15, 2010 - 23:31 |
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Level: 1 CS Original | i can be certain that a RBE will produce fewer pedophiles that today's society. | |||||
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sorry | Posted: Jun 15, 2010 - 23:31 |
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Level: 12 CS Original | How? | |||||
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three | Posted: Jun 15, 2010 - 23:32 |
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Level: 1 CS Original | why? because i can analyze any other human behavior, and understand where it comes from. pedophilia is not natural, so how can you say its not environment? | |||||
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three | Posted: Jun 15, 2010 - 23:32 |
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Level: 1 CS Original | look up the causes of pedophilia and tell me that in a RBE we wouldnt have fewer of the causes. | |||||
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Edward L Winston | Posted: Jun 15, 2010 - 23:33 |
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President Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho: porn star and five-time ultimate smackdown wrestling champion! Level: 150 CS Original | Pedophilia will disappear because money does? | |||||
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three | Posted: Jun 15, 2010 - 23:33 |
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Level: 1 CS Original | "Some of the abusers are not, in fact, pedophiles but target children because they are weaker and more pliable than adults." | |||||
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sorry | Posted: Jun 15, 2010 - 23:33 |
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Level: 12 CS Original | Your premise that pedophilia is not natural is where your argument falls apart. The bottom line is that there is no data showing the results of human behavior in an RBE. Until that happens, you are contradicting your belief in the scientific method. You are handing out materials and spreading ideas that have not been tested. | |||||
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three | Posted: Jun 15, 2010 - 23:34 |
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Level: 1 CS Original | "Pedophilia will disappear because money does?" whoaaa, no. when did i say that? where's your dumb animoote gif now? | |||||
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three | Posted: Jun 15, 2010 - 23:34 |
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Level: 1 CS Original | what other animal in nature abuses children of their own kind? | |||||
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sorry | Posted: Jun 15, 2010 - 23:36 |
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Level: 12 CS Original | I hate to use Yahoo Answers, but here: http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20081210082354AAr1mg8 Also, many animals eat their children. http://www.livescience.com/animals/080206-cannibal-parents.html | |||||
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three | Posted: Jun 15, 2010 - 23:36 |
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Level: 1 CS Original | @captain "no, the monetary system is really a symptom of a competitive, scarce society. and so is pedophilia." - me 10 mins ago | |||||
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Sil the Shill | Posted: Jun 15, 2010 - 23:37 |
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Level: 9 CS Original | Don't forget that animals kill each other too. Common example: Black widow. | |||||
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three | Posted: Jun 15, 2010 - 23:38 |
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Level: 1 CS Original | Ok, so 2 out of billions of species of animals do NOT abuse their own young, and 99% of humans dont naturally abuse their own young. yea.... im going to go ahead and say pedophilia is not natural. | |||||
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sorry | Posted: Jun 15, 2010 - 23:38 |
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Level: 12 CS Original | three, again, I support anarchism and an RBE. What I am concerned about is members of this society having rank who believe pedophilia to be "wrong"; or in reality anything else to be "wrong." It cannot be proven that pedophilia, incest, homosexuality, cannabalism, rape, torture, or any other extreme behavior is wrong. I don't know if I want to be in a lawless RBE where somebody decides that I can't play with children because they disagree with the notion. Even worse, I may be labeled as "diseased" and would be disposed of. | |||||
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three | Posted: Jun 15, 2010 - 23:39 |
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Level: 1 CS Original | and bonobos use sex to socialize unlike humans or any other primate. | |||||
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sorry | Posted: Jun 15, 2010 - 23:40 |
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Level: 12 CS Original | Maybe they would under an RBE? Maybe sleeping with your children will become a new custom (as is seen in some human cultures). It'll be cool to say little Jimmy got with his mom. In fact, I'm proposing that pedophilia and incest will run rampant. People will make love to their family members and friends because everyone will love one another. It'll all be bliss. Even the cats and dogs will get in on it. | |||||
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Sil the Shill | Posted: Jun 15, 2010 - 23:41 |
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Level: 9 CS Original | "Ok, so 2 out of billions of species of animals do NOT abuse their own young, and 99% of humans dont naturally abuse their own young. yea.... im going to go ahead and say pedophilia is not natural. " Cool false statistics bro. There are countless animals out there that kill each other, at the very least will fight each other. | |||||
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three | Posted: Jun 15, 2010 - 23:41 |
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Level: 1 CS Original | @aaron but can we not all just agree that pedophilia is weird? go beyond laws, or someone being a tyrannical ruler. i mean, are you really worried about that, or is it just a straw man? are you sincerely worried that you'll be somehow wrongfully accused of something that you dont think is wrong, but everyone else does? this sounds like irrational fear. | |||||
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three | Posted: Jun 15, 2010 - 23:42 |
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Level: 1 CS Original | I found 2 species of animals that sexually abuse young of their own species. that is a very small % of all life on earth. | |||||
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sorry | Posted: Jun 15, 2010 - 23:44 |
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Level: 12 CS Original | three, how is it irrational? I will go along with you and say that pedophilia is "weird" in the sense that it is "not normal" as defined by statistics. A minority of people engage in it. I refuse to say that is "wrong." My fears regarding the RBE are my own, but they are not the issue. The issue is that where I am asking questions, you are making claims. Where I am asking about pedophilia, you are claiming it will not take place. I've asked you to prove that, but you do not have data to do so. And neither does anyone in The Zeitgeist Movement. Step one would be to get some data. | |||||
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three | Posted: Jun 15, 2010 - 23:49 |
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Level: 1 CS Original | @aaron, i actually agree that there is no such thing as right and wrong. there is no universal moral framework. but i KNOW that pedophiles are MADE not BORN. i guess i cant prove to you right now that pedophilia will be eliminated, and if you SINCERELY are concerned about that, maybe you should just wait to join the movement until your fears subside. | |||||
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sorry | Posted: Jun 15, 2010 - 23:50 |
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Level: 12 CS Original | Yes, I will wait. I will wait until there is data from tested RBE environments. My battery is about to die, so I'm going to sleep. Nice talking. | |||||
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