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Incompetent incompetent incompetent, which is the only defence which is a bad defence.

Incompetent incompetent incompetent, which is the only defence which is a bad defence.

@Nanos

I dunno man, it seems like you have a personal interest in making excuses for a lifetime of incompetence from Fresco.

Why?

> VTV is only helping them because he has a potential to position himself into
> a position of power thereby helping himself.

It does appear like that doesn't it.

> He is doing the very same here with TVP and if he does not get booted he
> will position himself right next to PJ and Roxanne when Jacque dies as a
> self proclaimed expert and next in line of the movement.

That does appear likely doesn't it, based on his previous behaviour with as you say, other organisations, and I've seen that kind of thing happen too, so it wouldn't suprise me.

He might have the, lets say, good intentions about it.

I wouldn't mind if I thought he could do a good job of it. (But then, he probably thinks he could do a good job, as don't we all..)

He lacks, as we have mentioned, the ability so much to see his faults and correct them, though I have seen from time to time, I think, improvements he has made, but its not clear if he has or its just coinsidence.. (As he hates to talk about himself in public, its hard to tell if he has improved or not, as you get banned for telling him he needs to improve..)

> He is a typical narcissist who likes to dominate and control, attempting to take
> any position of power he can get in a movement and hold onto it.

A fair and probably accurate picture.

> Are you trying to bring Fresco down to your level or bring yourself up to Fresco's?

I'm just trying to understand whats happening, and using my own experiences to figure that out.

> Because I don't understand the point you're making.

Mmm.. lets see, what point is it.

Mm.. the point that he needs help!

> I dunno man, it seems like you have a personal interest in making excuses for
> a lifetime of incompetence from Fresco.
>
> Why?

I like to understand mistakes, so I can avoid them myself, as its less effort to learn from others than your own experiences learning the hard way.

I like to analysis, understand, dig about, take apart, figure out what to do to make things better.

As I see it, Fresco needs help, but doesn't easily accept it, except from the wrong sort of people who surround him.

PJ also needs help, but appears unable to even notice this! (Eg. his website costs money, collectively spend more money on the 50+ chapter sites/etc. than it costs to run his website, so if they all just shared a few servers, it could reduce his costs to nothing, and save them money..)

@Nanos:

"I like to understand mistakes, so I can avoid them myself, as its less effort to learn from others than your own experiences learning the hard way."

Don't try and convince people to give you their money so you can save the world.

Seems pretty easy to avoid.

"Why?"

Because its a rhetorical soundbite that says nothing but still manages to sound pretentious.

Why?

Because as a response to him being asked why he doesn't earn some money so he can build prototypes and gain research grants and mainstream scientific interest he says this.

A rich person doesnt have to be smart but generally a smart person who isn't rich is incompetent.

There, I have anecdotes as well :)

I'd say his legacy is that he looks mighty fine for 94 years old.

Good idea Muertos.

That'll be in there, Aaron.

Plenty of canned responses available, theyre all over this forum and my blog.

Dont forget everything that isnt TVP is patchwork

@Muertos lol - so you're going to write canned responses to canned responses. genius!

Three, I am going to suggest that Zeigeisters have something new to say before they come to our forum whining that "the movies aren't the movement" or "you all just hate Peter Joseph."

As with most conspiracy theorists, Zeitgeisters are generally slow to pick up that the arguments they use against criticisms are not the first time in world history that such arguments have ever been used.

"@Muertos lol - so you're going to write canned responses to canned responses. genius!"

It is, actually. I get tired of typing the same shit everytime someone stumbles upon Zeitgeist and thinks they've discovered the answer to all the world's problems. As if there is secret information out there that only certain people can Google.

three, can you show us the science behind TZM? The idea that behavior is 100% caused by environment is unscientific (or rather, it's outdated science from Fresco's time). The various economic ideas are also BS. And the ideas about banking are BS. Try watching these videos. They are very educational: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-HOz8T6tAo

Edit: also the idea that capitalism will collapse due to a requirement for growth is BS.

Edit: also, poverty is decreasing, not increasing. Same with violence.