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"Though I have pondered recently that running off batches of clones might be a good idea, as there just isn't enough folk like me to go around.. "

I would firebomb the cloning facility.

"Just steralise folk after they have had one kid."

I really wish you would just go away you creepy weirdo.

matt, do you notice that other people here are happy to swap ideas and thoughts? capitalism works? yes, for the rich and the middle classes maybe. many debunkers have conceded that capitalism isn't working so i'll interact with them if i'm boring you.

had trotsky not been betrayed by stalin and co. after lenin's death we may have seen a world-wide movement. trotsky opposed stalin's peace with hitler which had a negative effect on the workers movement across europe. i won't list all the other progressive movements hijacked by dictators, but they are plentiful.

my idea? a united anti-capitalist movement, whose first aim is to educate the masses on the ills of the capitalist beast. i'm starting with you matt.

I think to succeed, you need a pro-capitalist movement, but one that evolves and improves capitalism, as I reckon it can help the poor, if only we was more ethical about profits and didn't screw them over so much.

Profit sharing for example, a cooperative, these are capitalist things in todays world, yet the workers don't get shafted.

Here is an excellent UK example of a profit sharing private company:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Lewis_Partnership</p>

One could have many such companies like that, still capitalist, but creating a better world, without needing to break or be anti-capitalist.

I do like the idea of having to complete a "parenting education" prior to
having children.

And who is the expert who decides you are capable?

this is fucking stupid, there are people who are handicapped who would love children and should have them as well, but they are limited in their abilities due to faults not of their own making. Will we decide they cant have kids?
What about people who have low incomes who will never be in a position to better their financial status? Do we stop them from having children too?

Fucking stupidity in this thread is astounding.

Education ? My word some of you people needed that education yourselves it seems, with ideas like this you are incapable of understanding anything about having children it seems.
making statements that people are stupid and dont know how to bring up their own children is a baseless thing. lets see how well you fuckers do bringing up kids

Just steralise folk after they have had one kid

Again Bullshit and wreckless. The Earth can and does sustain us easily, there is enough room, resources to sustain us. Its a known fact to anyone whos even bothered to dos some research that maintaining a family with 2 children will stabilise the population. The population is increasing, but it will eventually stabilise, it is not permanently increasing. The age differences in people alive today is vast, and not every human is in the child bearing bracket.

People who are making out like the population is at a dangerous level and that Earth can not sustain us are retarded.

This thread is just filled with people making assumptions and spouting stupid fucking solutions for problems that do not exist.

Noone has the right to dictate who has children, how many they have, when they have them, and anyone interfering with this or with an intention to... needs to fuck off.

No I am not making assumptions if your quote mine is infering that.

I am making statements against the retarded shit in this thread.

This has to be the most off topic thread in all of Conspiracy Science.

Im not a politically correct person, its not something I consider important, If I call someone a retard it means just that, they are retarded.

The difference between this is the person acting retarded has a choice not to act or talk that way.

A truly handicapped person has little option and therefore is not even in the same brackets of stupidity, because its not their fault.

Ive explained above why I said its retarded.

None of you are equipped or expert to tell anyone else how to live, how to bring up a child or what to do in any circumstances life throws you or a childs way.

How can any of you know what should be done in all situations to bring a child up in this world?

There is no such thing as an expert in this matter, parenting and life is way more complicated than a silly fucking class can teach you.

anticultist, do you think it's fair for a mother to smoke and drink while pregnant?

I'm not calling for preventing anything. I think the baby deserves to have informed parents.

those women who ignore that are just addicts who dont prioritise their baby above their own needs

Possibly. But if there was a mandatory class that teaches and tests this information with pictures and videos of children with alcohol-fetal-syndrome, isn't it possible that mothers will think longer and harder about their decisions?

There are also those parents who don't actually know this "common sense" stuff.

Research has shown that the best parenting style is an authoritative one. What is wrong with informing people of these results? It's not telling anybody they have to parent a certain way. Rather, it is showing them what's healthiest. If they still think spanking or spoiling the child after completing the class is best, then they can still do it.

> For 2006, humanity's total ecological footprint was estimated at 1.4 planet Earths – in other words, humanity
> uses ecological services 1.4 times as fast as Earth can renew them.

Remember you talking about a non sustainable society, change the way we operate and there is no problem at all.

And what about the parenting styles?

Do all women have a midwife? To answer your question, no I have not been there.

> change the way we operate and there is no problem at all.

I agree that we could change it, but whilst more sustainablity is a good thing, more population isn't necessarly a good thing.

Sustainability doesn't mean everything is 100% recyclable, if there are more of us, we will use up irreplaceable resources faster, and for what purpose, so that another 100 billion people can come into existance ?

But the issue is perhaps not the future, the issue is the here and now, that we are at the moment using more resources than we have available and we need to now control the population level.

Once we have the resources that we can handle more people, then we could let more be born, but at the expense of a lower standing of living than we would otherwise have.

As a rough guide, taking the UK standard of living, if we had to share the world so that everyone got the same standard of living, it would mean roughly UK folk would see their standard cut to 1/4 of what it is now.

Now, if we had 75% less people, we could have 4 times the standard of living, and thus no drop for UK'ers. (US'ers I hear use far more and we would need an even bigger drop in the population level to get that for everyone.)

One way to reduce the population without killing people off is to make sure less are born. (Which seems to happen naturally in more advanced nations on the whole, though there does seem to be some exceptions from that last time this subject came up..)

Which is why I'm keen to increase the standard of living for folk, to reduce their want of producing more children, but I reckon we'll still need more control than that to keep local population levels within acceptable limits and make sure everyone gets a seat on the bus!

@Nanos,

You are one of the most disgustingly arrogant people I have ever seen.

And I mean that. You make me want to puke.

Parenting styles?

What the hell are you on about, its not University class for teachers.

Do you know every solution to every problem there is concerning children?
Do you know anyone on the planet who knows how to remedy every single parenting problem known to man?

There is no such thing as a style, children are constantly evolving human beings not robots, they flip and flop every second of the day, changing moods and wants. They do things that are truly stupid and dont listen to their parents, a class on how to train and control your child will lead to nothing but problems.

Children dont listen the sooner you people understand that the better.

Perhaps the majority of children who don't listen are from authoritarian and indulgent parents.

As, you know, the research actually suggests.