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No Aaron, children/people do not listen, they do what they want when they want, as soon as the parents back is turned they will go ahead and do what they want.

I drank, took drugs, smoked, went out partying, hung around with criminals, fought, stole, broke my head and bones jumping off buildings and trees, damaged property. And I was a kid from a good background who had excellent parents. I just did what the fuck I wanted.

People are like that, children are like that. If you intend to eradicate that you will have a hard time because as soon as class is over, its time to hit the bottle of JD, hit a line of coke and jump into the back of the stolen car and bone that hot chick.

children/people do not listen, they do what they want when they want, as soon as the parents back is turned they will go ahead and do what they want.

I agree that there are always outliers and deviants who go against the norm. You, however, are making a claim for the majority of children.

If you can provide some peer-reviewed evidence of that, I'm all ears.

Anecdotal evidence.

You don't even have kids. Shut the fuck up.

@Aaron

Fact and unecessary to validate in a forum.

You are asking for a scientific paper on something that is fucking common sense and everywhere you look.

You still havrnt answered my question, you ever been to a healthcare centre with a pregnant mother and chatted to a midwife?

I know you probably havent cos youre a young guy who hasnt had kids or got a girl pregnant right?

You are trying to argue as if you know anything about children, same with Nanos, yet I am betting both of you have zero experience or knowledge in this area to even tell anyone a thing about parenting.

EDIT: Scratch that Nanos has 5 years being surrogate parent. [still no expert and theyre not his kids to worry about]

co-ops are a step in the right direction, no more, no less. john lewis? are you serious?

@Nanos,

I'm referring to you, asshole.

Ah well, in that case you must have misread the bit when I said I've had kids for 5 years.

Thats like someone owning a car for 5 years, they have experience of cars.

They may not have one today, but that doesn't invalidate their experience all of a sudden.

Really, if you want to be taken seriously, I'd suggest you get a more civil tounge in your head or your forever continue to look like some aggressive prick with a chip on their shoulder.

You still havrnt answered my question, you ever been to a healthcare centre with a pregnant mother and chatted to a midwife?

Scroll up.

I am betting both of you have zero experience or knowledge in this area to even tell anyone a thing about parenting.

I won't say my child development graduate courses made me qualified to tell somebody how to parent. They did show me the research on the effectiveness of parenting styles.

What is wrong with showing people the results of current research? Doing so doesn't necessarily tell someone what is right or wrong.

If you're going to claim the research is wrong, then you really need to provide something more than anecdotal evidence.

@Aaron there is nothing wrong with providing information for parents to look at, but to attempt to convince them that there is a definite way or a best way to bring up a child is insincere and fabricated at best.

Because while you say evidence suggests authoritarian parents provide a better upbringing, this may only apply to behavior in the home. Is there any evidence to suggest that it affects their behavior out of their home and at the age of adulthood when they are unsupervised?

So your evidence is only subjective.

I cant find your answer to my question above.

@Nanos,

You are not a parent.

You have never been a parent.

You can barely take care of yourself, Mr I Live In Cherry Orchards.

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Do all women have a midwife? To answer your question, no I have not been there.

You know, food is quite subjective as well. Some people hate vegetables, yet we're told that they're the healthiest for us.

Are you also against doctors telling kids to eat vegetables? Are you against public institutions such as public schools telling kids what is healthy for them and what is not?

Everything is subjective and relative. That doesn't mean it's wrong. I believe in setting certain limits on society. I don't want everyone just doing whatever they hell they want because it logically will ruin society.

I have a major problem with mothers who take drugs and drink alcohol during pregnancy. I also have a problem with parents who aren't privy to research showing models of effective parenting. You certainly wouldn't let your kid run free without any rules, right? Would you go to other extreme and punch the kid when he / she disobeys you?

There is a happy medium that, quite frankly, many parents don't know about. They think they know what's best. Many think all you have to is "love" your children. As long as you show "love", they'll grow up fine.

That is wrong. And I can back it up.

I'm done with this argument unless you can back up your own claims.

Doesn't the fact that you can't take care of yourself cause some cognitive dissonance when you're trying to save the world?

You have no education. No job skills. Do you even have a home?

> cognitive dissonance

Causes me no problem at all, I can quite easily handle conflicting issues in my mind.

Are you also against doctors telling kids to eat vegetables? Are you against public institutions such as public schools telling kids what is healthy for them and what is not?

I am not against Doctors providing any information that is scientificaly proven to be beneficial. But this does not mean I think Doctors should be given the authority to enforce their evidenced facts on anyone. If a person wants to eat fatty foods and eat vegetables it is none of my business or yours. If a parent wants to let their child do something again none of our business if it does not directly affect your life.

Plus I will state it again for clarity, people do what they please. For instance I intend to get battered on hard liquor next weekend, to the point where I am stupid and laughing at myself, the doctors inform us that we should not drink more than 21 units in a week, but I will probably drink the majority of that on that weekend. I know how unhealthy it is, but it wont stop me. Life is not a bland balance of routines and regulations, life is far more interesting than that.

There is a happy medium that, quite frankly, many parents don't know about. They think they know what's best. They think all you have to is "love" your children. As long as you show "love", they'll grow up fine.

Anecdotal, and as far as I am concerned thats not even true for the majority. My experience shows parents who are authoritarian and leniant, and still their kids go out and do shit they know is bad for them.

You havent even backed up your own claims, you just say evidence suggests, doctors suggest, peer reviewed consensus says. Whilst providing nothing. No quotes with references. Nothing.

I'm done with this argument unless you can back up your own claims.

You act like your research is the end of the line for all knowledge on the matter, when in fact as I have stated above its entirely subjective and applicable to certain conditions and environments and not an objective fact that encapsulates all conditions.