Skeptic Project

So, I'm working on a blog post that lists and refutes the 10 most common (probably subjective judgment) canned Zeitgeister comebacks, from "the movies aren't the movement" to "the movement has no leaders." I've been working on it all morning and I have a good chunk written. But you know what? I'm sick of it.

I'm getting tired of arguing with Zeitgeisters. I'm tired of hearing their disingenuous, manipulative arguments. I'm tired of browsing the ZM forums for examples of their ludicrous argumentative styles. I'm tired of PETER MEROLA'S maddening PRONOUNCEMENTS and RANDOM CAPITALIZATION. I'm tired of their incessant masturbation over the pipedream of a resource based economy. I'm tired of reading bloviations by people who know nothing about history or economics tell the world what's wrong with itself and how desperately we "need" their crap agenda to "save" us.

I'm tired of them saying the wonderful things they're going to do when they get 50 million members. I'm tired of Madame Blavatsky and Acharya S. I'm tired of sun gods and the Jesus myth and fiat money and the Federal Reserve. I'm tired of Merola's xylophone music. I'm tired of that stupid little green earth graphic you see when you click on a Zeitgeist page. I'm tired of the stupid drama on their forums and ours.

Most of all I'm tired of their paranoid conspiratorial worldview, where the money system is raping the planet and there's zero hope for humanity outside of Jacque Fresco's garage. I couldn't imagine living like that. How can you experience the joy and wonder there is to get out of life, if you believe that that's the way the world is? I've never understood how people can lock themselves into these worlds of despair and hopelessness so tightly that only some artificial life preserver (TVP, the "truth," whatever) offers any hope whatsoever, so you cling to that and make their happiness dependent upon advancing that artificial objective.

I don't understand how these people get through the day. It just doesn't make sense to me. Yes, there's a lot of bad and evil shit in the world. But there's a lot of good stuff too like art and beauty and nature and love. Delving into this ZM shit day after day means turning off all that and immersing yourself in total darkness.

I now know what Edward meant with this "TZM wants to drag you into the abyss" blog.

I'll finish my blog, and I'm sure I'll still be arguing with Zeitgeisters tomorrow and next week and the week after that. But I just wanted to vent. I do get tired of it.

I need a drink.

You need to turn that anger into humour, because ultimately these zeitgeist members are just a bunch of lost lonely puppies who think they know everything about the world. They are no more correct than an angry teenager who think they have it all figured out.

Its funny really if you look at it correctly. Fresco is a washed up recluse with nothing going for him but a bit of grandad charisma, when he was young he was an angry delusional man who hated people and the world. He still does but now he is more cute with it cos he has wrinkles and tired jokes, but hes still a hateful old fucker.

The best thing to do is just do what Matt does and laugh your ass off at them.

>> I now know what Edward meant with this "TZM wants to drag you into the abyss" blog.

Here's the post for those interested: http://conspiracyscience.com/blog/2010/05/04/tzm-and-peter-joseph-want-to-drag-you-into-the-abyss/</p>

I feel the same way you describe your post, I'm sick of Zeitgeist and I'm sick of receiving emails about it, which is why I created that TZM article and ended up getting more emails about how I just don't get it. I'm also sick of how CTs in general, when you don't reply to their emails right away, will send their email again or say things like "Your silence is deafening." Like I wrote in that blog post a long time ago, I'm having hard time giving a shit anymore.

At the time I didn't realize it wasn't conspiracies in general I was sick of, it was mostly just the same stupid shit over and over. I have to hand it to Alex Jones, he at least mixes it up a bit, while PJ still carries over the same conspiracy theories he promoted when he had Ron Paul 2008 banners on his site.

Alex Jones followers sometimes will throw things out of left field and it keeps in interesting, TZM/PJ followers are as dry as a piece of toast and repeat the same 50 things ad nauseam, not to mention they bloat threads and make them uninteresting.

Some say I have a vendetta against PJ and TZM, I don't, I really just don't give a shit anymore, because I know they're not going to amount to anything, the only reason I bother anymore is because people email me or post in the forums asking me to, and when I made this site I basically accepted the responsibility for answering questions people have regarding it.

>> Maybe I should do well to envision Merola, Fresco, VTV and the other top Zeitgeisters dressed in red Snuggie-like robes walking into the sun like the Wookees at the end of "The Star Wars Holiday Special." (Now THERE's an obscure nerd reference!)

I know exactly what you're talking about, I'm not sure if that makes me nerdy or dorky.

lol Ferseus

This is exactly why I would never get involved in things like this to that extent. Normally when I talk to people who believe in CT's, I generally give my opinion and not try to break it down to the science and research that you have here. Because then you're gonna get exactly what you got here. You open up such a can of worms, and it will never stop. All it takes is an article, a paragraph, even the wrong word, and in your case, this site. The people will flock.

I give you major props for having the balls to go back and forth with these people, because personally I'd lose patience almost instantly.

@Muertos same here TZM/TVP is nothing but a void. If you try to be a bit humorous about it you'll get banned such as the reason why i got globally banned off TZM forums

EX:

http://www.thezeitgeistmovement.com/joomla/index.php?option=com_kunena&Itemid=99999&func=view&catid=269&id=215727&limit=10&limitstart=10#216173 /> Start of Post on TZM cult forums

http://www.thezeitgeistmovement.com/joomla/index.php?option=com_kunena&Itemid=99999&func=view&catid=60&id=221820

Since he followed it up with repeated harassing attacks in IRC, I don't see any reason to take the time to unban him. His half-baked apology doesn't help. Thinking "I could have handled it better" in no way justifies the comments he made.

If you are interested in unbanning him, ask Peter. Be prepared to explain what Bill plans to do to help Peter with the stated goals of the movement. Otherwise, you are just wasting your time. It's great that you have a private mumble server for the discussion-- hopefully it will keep such BS out of the official chats.

This is the last comment I will have for a while, at least, publicly, regarding moderation. I am tired of the distraction of dealing individually with people who are, essentially, bullies, and in some cases, worse. Peter has posted separately that he will soon be specifying a core group of people to handle these issues, which will allow me to focus on the work that he would like for me to concentrate on, and hopefully to spend less time dealing with people who are not helping. I will be working with these core moderators to support them, rather than dealing with people such as Bill directly.

And finally, regarding me, Bill should not be wasting time apologizing to me. Read his comments (linked above). If he is serious, he should be apologizing to the community for violating the rules, for the negative statements he made as a whole, and for the time wasted and distraction in dealing with his behavior. I could really give a f*ck what he says or thinks about me, and an apology to me, even a serious one, is irrelevent. Whenever someone is abusive in the way he was, it discourages many others from expressing their opinions, distracts from any real discussion, and hurts the movement as a whole. Either he is here to work on the goals of the movement, or not. If he decides he IS, well then he can take his case to Peter.
Noel [tanktop]

Global Administrator

read below on information for FOSS as well as my opinion.

etc...

END

Clearly my response to TT in the TS3 thread was pure satire. He's all about the doom and gloom... Then I suppose I could post up where Tanktop wanted to hurt me (I'm guessing based on what i said to him on the forums) so I set up a fight, to fight the guy during Zday... Clearly he's very sensitive and tries to drag other people into the Dark abyss of his and the fact that I decided I'm not going in among others, be it VTV, Tanktop, Peter Merola, Fresco and others pisses them off... it's kind of like that kid whose always pissed off and the only enjoyment he or she gets out of life is making others feel the way he or she feels... The more happier you are the more those types of people are pissed at you...

@Muertos click this link read my thing on "The best of Matt responses to VTV" each time I read it I laugh until I cry LOL

Matt response to VTV:
"Nah, I just want to know why someone who says how awful society is, is obviously living a life of tubby comfort thanks to it."

http://conspiracyscience.com/forums/topic/favorite-quotes</p>

Matt has it right you don't need to debunk these voidless cult people just laugh at them because in the end that's what really pisses them off more than anything (look above for proof).

"I don't understand how these people get through the day. It just doesn't make sense to me. Yes, there's a lot of bad and evil shit in the world. But there's a lot of good stuff too like art and beauty and nature and love. Delving into this ZM shit day after day means turning off all that and immersing yourself in total darkness."

True. It was dragging me down, so I left. I'm kinda interested in new approaches to society, culture and economics, but not that many over there are...repeating Jacque and Roxanne over and over again and "wishing" for a RBE is easier...but it won't change a thing long-term and all you can talk about is how bad things are and how bright the future will be. It's like the dark side of new age, the same metaphysical nonsense, but instead of "You can do it!" something like "Whenever you can't, just blame your environment".

I wonder if TZM would even still be around if it weren't for external enemies. That really seems to be the main thing that keeps the movement together at this point.

Really, if you think about it, the Raelians are are more successful movement. They actually have buildings and stuff.

HuffPo sucks. I refuse to give that site traffic and I'm a liberal. Aarianna Huffington is another side switching limousine liberal who I wish would just go away. I can't stand listening to her on Left, Right and Center. Ugh.

I'll admit that I used to post there, but I got tired of my comments being censored and I really got tired of the headlines constantly lying to me.

Yeah, there was a post the other day from WND regarding Obama's birth place.