Skeptic Project

I think that's why debunkers have such an important (though under appreciated role). Things like 2012 can permeate so many lives, that I wouldn't be surprised if something does happen... not because of anything supernatural or prophetic, but because people want something to happen. I'm fairly new to the whole world of CT's and stuff like that, only have a little over a year under my belt, so maybe it's people have always been this crazy.

Edit: I guess stuff like 2012 is just cooler and sexier than reality. And just to clarify, I don't believe in any sort of global consciousness shift occurring in 2012 or any other predetermined date.

I definitely think people have always been this crazy, just wondering if these people who think theyre into some enlightening group are in for the opposite of what they believe :)

Yeah debunkers are essential to place common sense in front of people, but like you say extremely underated.

Yeah I know about all that Matt, I am not specifically meaning 2012 is going to happen as they claim, I mean that the people are not going to get what they are wanting to happen. They are literally driving themselves to crazy ville and when 2012 arrives and nothing happens they will perhaps realise how insane they are and have been, IE they will have a mental breakdown because they are pinning their hopes onto something that simply is not going to happen and they're just bonkers.

Well I dont think anything is going to 'happen' either I am talking about peoples mental health and realisation at how fucking crazy they have become.

I paid for it too; remember the scene from the Coneheads where Primaat was reading the Bible? I felt the same way. If you don't know the scene, you're a non-nerd and probably shouldn't be here. ;D

Just because someone writes a book and steals a whole lot from another pseudo-scholar, doesn't make them a scholar. I get a lot of people that freak out on me because of what I say about Acharya S. Her followers are nutty as hell. Their best defense seems to be just calling me names, like Ferseus, "kid", "junior high school student" or sexist.

I remember the coneheads and in fact I am going to rewatch it for a laugh. Ironically Dan aykroyd has kind of turned into what he found so weird.

My predictions for December 22nd 2012:

1: Come december 22nd 2012 Calendars will be worth keeping as collectors items
2: On December 22nd prozac stocks will go through the roof
3: On December 22nd The Samaritans and various other help lines will be inundated with suicide calls

LOL

Good.

That makes me happy.

haha on the I ching

The yarrow stick or coins method of predicting the future. That has to be pretty scientific and fact based programming from the get go.

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=terence+mackenna+crazy&aq=f

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=terence+mckenna+dmt&aq=0sx

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=terence+mckenna+2012&aq=1

here is a video list of terence mackenna stuff

He's talking about getting off his face on drugs, astral projection, ufos, nwo, so I am saying he is probably crazy.

He is a drug abuser who believes in 2012 consciousness shifts and other zany things, there does not seem that much to dispute here.

Thats like listening to the local drunk talk about politics and claiming he is an intellectual authority, he may well make some valid points but it hardly makes him credible.

OK so you really like Terence Mackenna, but he is a drug abuser, he does believe in ufos and consciousness shifts and 2012, and other such strange notions.

The evidence of what he believes is everywhere online, all those good points about him are fine if you want to defend him and I am not even going to attempt to dispute them, but what I have said is still fact.

So what can we conclude from it ?

You like him and think he is cool irrespective of his strange beliefs.

Yeah I hate all this BS that drugs make you clever, give you an insight into 'reality' make you more artistic, or whatever fucking cranky nonsense they all attach to the experience.

Drugs alter your perception of reality, they dont change reality . There is a big fucking difference.

I find it illogical to say that because you view the world different on drugs IE you see aliens and mushrooms talk to you and you slip into other dimensions or whatever. Suddenly these things exist in real life but you can not see them or prove them when you are not off your face on ketamine, LSD, ayahasca, psylocibin or DMT.
Its utterly preposterous and make believe, reality is what it is, science shows us what is what and until there is physical hard evidence then its just another zany guy claiming zany things.

Fuck all these pseudo scientific hippies, theyre claiming intellectual authority off the back of misinterpreting science through drug abuse.

Drug abuser? What do you define as an abuser? I don't do drugs myself, nor am I interested in them, but knowing what DMT is and how our bodies produce it, Im thankful that Terence brought DMT in to the light and bothered to discuss it with the rest of us.

To me a drug abuser is someone who does drugs to escape the real world, doesn't have a job, steals from others and is addicted to them. Terence was none of those things and that is a fact.

He "believes" in 2012 because his own program shows that something will happen on that date. Did you even watch the documentary? All massive events from the PAST were right there on his computer screen and the next one is obviously 2012. (You can even download his program to see this for yourself.)

I personally DO NOT believe anything will happen on that date, but the fact that his program is that presice does make me question the possibility of something going down in 2012. LHC being turned on that year also doesn't make me feel particularly comfortable.

Terence believed that aliens and whatever were ARCHETYPAL forces of the mind that drugs just brought forward. Thus pretty similar to Jung, but perhaps you guys prefer Freud.

Oh well. Anyways, I don't believe anything will happen in 2012. Some peeps who btw talk about the consciousness shift is David Wilcock, David Icke (he changed from believing it will be in 2012 to 2014) and Gregg Braden.