Skeptic Project

So I got a e-mail from a individual (who wants me to not disclose his or her e-mail or name) that talks about another individual by the name of Mathew Wagner or Gaingreen and why he is now banished from TZM as commanded by Peter Joseph (on January 30, 2012). A few Facebook status comments of Peter's rantings of why he banished Matthew Wagner will confirm his banishment (comments are now is deleted by Peter on his facebook, but screen shots are below). The reasoning for banishing Matt is because he affiliate's himself with a TVP, as well as was a critic towards Peter Joseph and TZM structure. With Peter Joseph's fragile ego he must of took Matt's criticism towards him and TZM as a threat which is the same view Peter sees TVP as. Peter deems his critics as enemies against him as well as his movement and therefore naturally TZM members must do the same or they are not apart of the movement. But of course with TZM mantra, PETER JOSEPH IS NOT THE LEADER OF TZM, TZM MEMBERS LEAD THEMSELVES. JUST BECAUSE PETER SAYS STUFF AND TZM MEMBERS DO WHAT HE SAYS WITHOUT QUESTION DOESN'T MEAN PETER IS THE LEADER!

I happened to know Matt who was the chapter coordinator of the Ohio chapter for TZM and I find his character to be very reasonable. I'm not sure exactly why Matt would ever be banished out of anything as people who would know him would confirm he is a good person with sound morals and values.


If anybody has anything else to add to this shoot me a e-mail at cs2012ct at ymail dot com

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Inside the e-mail contained a word document with what happened on facebook with Peter Joseph describing why Matt is banished from TZM which happened on January 30, 2012. Below is the contents inside the word document.

Start of word document

Keep this internal and learn from mistakes...

Peter Joseph 30 January 2012.
"Mathiew Wagner isn't apart of TZM, Russel. If you were not aware, he bashed me publicly after TVP's childish, self-indulgent temper tantrum and then he joined "them" in contrived animosity. The Radio Show is only hosted by Official Coordinators and notable public lectures, which he also is not. Get up to date buddy. ;)"





"It's complicated. I'm sorry to say I have no means for respect for the institution of TVP anymore (and frankly feel like a chump for being as giving as I was) as great as the ideas might be in their pure intellectual form. (Fresco originated nothing, btw) The difference between the TVP and TZM is that TZM is for contributors while TVP is for followers, I'm sorry to say. And those that have shown such a tendency in the past to pick sides in a vulgar way, as Matt has, are sadly off the radar. There are far too many better intentioned people out there who can see what is really important here and while the Radio Show has its experimental side with new Hosts, only those who show ongoing support for TZM - meaning its underlying principles/train of thought and community order - are welcome, given the importance of the platform.


#1 It was Peter who publicly yelled at Roxanne and you can listen to the recording if you want to hear a "temper tantrum" from Peter himself.

#2 This post demonstrates Peter never internalized the concepts... he merely memorized them and regurgitates them similar to well-trained parrot.

Summation - TZM is based on nothing.

End of word document

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Within this e-mail contained a conversation which contains a possible reason for Peters rant and banishment of Mattew Wagner. To protect identities in the chat conversation I'll give a brief abstract of the chat with what they think is the reason Matt got banished from TZM.

this is a abstract of a chat conversation.

Unfortunately Peter blindly takes information from very few people. Peter Joseph never spoke once to Matt, yet makes a judgement like this. It was dumb of Peter to post publicly like he did about banishing Matt out of the movement. Peter needs to act better but ever since TZM started he's never improved.

Why Matt got banished from TZM is mainly because of a individual called Jen Wilding who is a TZM National Coordinator, who Matt got into a disagreement 1 year ago. Jen personality is very vindictive and holds animosity for years. Jen now lives very close to Peter Joseph and suggested to Peter that Matt is against the movement because of his affiliation with TVP. Therefore that may have been the influencing cause of Peter's action.

If the conversation I saw in the e-mail is true that would be interesting. I know of Jen wilding as living in Illinois and that I thought she was married (not sure if she was ever married). To now live in California close by Peter raises some interesting question about her and Peter Joseph's relationship.

I don't really care what Jens relationship is with Peter, ultimately all of the above said shows how dysfunctional Peter Joseph is as well as his admins, and TZM members/structure itself. Peter is unwilling to face or even attempt to fix the problems of his now very much dying conspiracy group. The fact that Peter (among several other examples on SP) can just banish a individual out of his group shows that Peter Joseph is the leader of TZM as well as shows how he deals with his critics which is of course to silence them.

References

Shows Jen Wilding lived in Illinois but now is apparently in California close by Peter Joseph.
http://www.tzmillinois.org/contacts

I went to seek out Matts response to Peter Joseph because not only did I want to do it but also it is the right thing to do. Knowing Matthew Wagner for a long time I know Peter Joseph as well as Jen Wilding are full of it.

response to Peter posted on Matthew Wagners FB
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=355702804457232&set=a.355702491123930.98902.100000525452847&type=1

January 2, 2012
Peter,


Since you have deleted the post about me please let me respond here.


I'd like to take this opportunity to address you and the public. You say I've publically "bashed" you, and I would like to take the opportunity to apologize right now and set things right between us. I don't dislike you and from what I know about you, you seem intelligent, thoughtful, and friendly. We've met only briefly in person and that is a shame. Honestly, you have done more for forwarding this direction than any other RBE advocate ever! You are responsible for bringing this information to me. I thank you for that. Your films are well produced and I appreciate all of your hard work and thank you again. I made a lot of inroads for you in Moving Forward and was even talking to a National Theater Chain that was interested in playing it in theatres nationwide. I've always worked hard for TZM and continue to do so. I've dedicated much time, energy, and money personally to this direction. I was proud to find myself in NYC for Zday 2010. I earned my place on the ZeitTard list. ;-)


Honestly, I agree with you on most of everything say and do. However, I have not agreed with 100% of your actions and frankly I don't even agree with MYSELF on all of the actions I have taken in the past. I don't think I can be faulted for that. Just because I disagree with you on some things doesn't mean I'm out to get you or bad mouth you. Simply , I am not your enemy. We are partners in moving the RBE direction forward. This is my passion and I think I share this with you... we are probably more alike then you may care to admit. I don't want to publically bad mouth you. It's uncalled for and disrespectful. I'm not sure how I upset you but once again I'm sorry I did as that was not my intention. If someone asks me I say how I feel about an ISSUE, but I'm not interested in judging people. As I'm sure you're aware judgment and condemnation of a person leads to violence in our society and I am strictly opposed to that. We are also all slaves to our environment and always act according to it... How can you fault someone for any action they take? So I think people should realize that and not hold onto any grudge. I would love to talk to you on the phone or teamspeak and discuss your feelings. I honestly would like to resolve this. I don't have any enemies in the world and I get along with everyone I meet. I don't want you to view me as an advisory, but an ally.


The concepts we espouse are more than just words to me, I live by them to the best of my ability. I walk the walk and not just talk the talk. That is why I am writing this. We are trying to inspire others to tear down false division in whatever form they take. These are not limited to just religion, race, economic status, etc... We need to come together as a people on one planet and solve our problems... Such silly notions of my "enemy" or "advisory" are determents to this direction. These nationalist / personal identities are a diversion and let's put them to the side.


Now that I have that out of the way, since public statements were made against me here, I'd like the forum to address them and clarify so a clear picture can be made.


Peter: "Mathew Wagner isn't apart of TZM" Yes I am. All that's required to be a member is to support this direction and I have always done so, and want to participate(and I do). In fact I was at a regional face to face TZM meeting yesterday afternoon and was at the statewide meeting on TeamSpeak last night. I'm my own leader like you talk about. I'm passionate about the RBE and I must advocate for it for moral reasons. You can take my position from me by force, but you can't take my spirit and passion for this direction.


Peter:" childish, self-indulgent temper tantrum and then joined "them" in contrived animosity." This is firstly, completely false and a total misrepresentation of reality. I didn't get upset; I tried to be rational about the situation. I never left TZM and joined TVP. As a GROUP the Ohio Chapter chose to avoid the drama of the split, losing friends, productivity, etc... and support both groups. We also felt we could be more effective in advocating if we could use both groups materials and use the best tools either group provided. That may put us in a better position than most chapters for spreading awareness, which is TZM's primary objective. It was a group decision and I was given no guidance, mentoring, or direction, from TZM, other that I kept hearing you could "support / join both groups". In reference to building bridges and tearing down false divisions, as mentioned above, I put myself into a coordinator role for BOTH groups to set an example to others of working with people to help that happen.


Peter:" I have no means for respect for the institution of TVP anymore" That is sad. I feel, about the issue, that we should work together to further our goals. We can do more together than either group can do individually, with redundancy, etc... I think making the RBE happen is the primary goal and we should put things, regardless of who is to blame, behind us and work together because it is the best thing we can do for the people of this planet that I am one of. Let's forget about ourselves and do what is best to get this RBE started. I'm trying to do this right now.


Peter:" frankly feel like a chump for being as giving as I was" You're not a chump Peter. You are a victim / slave of your environment like EVERYONE else.


Peter:" Fresco originated nothing, btw" Please stop attacking Jacque, this helps further nothing. We all know NOBODY originates anything, so the point is moot. He IS creative... which is putting known things together in unique ways... This he has done. You couldn't have made Addendum without these contributions by him... We are all connected. Less barriers and more bridges... Peter, you are in a unique position to bring a mass of people together under one banner for the betterment of all. Please consider this. Keep in mind I'm not attacking you. I'm just expressing my thoughts and am not trying to personally attack you. I wish I was in your place and could unify this direction; I would in an instant because I care if this works or fails. I think it is too important for the future of our species.


Peter:" pick sides in a vulgar way, as Matt has" Saying vulgar is playing to people's emotions. As I mentioned above, I NEVER picked sides. I wanted to help both groups as I felt this was the best way I could further the RBE concepts. You took me out of my position by forced me to a side in appearance as I'm still a coordinator for TVP. That wasn't my choice and I'm STILL FOR BOTH SIDES.


Peter:" better intentioned people" Peter, this honestly hurts me. I have nothing but the best intentions for this direction, please don't slander me by labeling me as such. I'm requesting this of you as you really don't even know me personally at all, and have no notion of my intentions other than I am showing to you publically here. You are speaking from a position of complete ignorance of me as a person or my intentions when you make such statements.

Peter:"only those who show ongoing support for TZM - meaning its underlying principles/train of thought" That is me. I really think I could add to the show and that's why I accepted the request. I think the show reaches a lot of people and I could actually help grow awareness of this direction via my contributions. If I thought I would, in any way, hinder this direction from appearing on your show I would turn down the offer on the matter of principle and importance of the RBE's future.

Thanks for your time to read this Peter and thanks for your understanding,

Matthew Wagner

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Matt responded saying Peter refuses to look at the apology in the FB comment section.

Matthew Wagner
‎Tony Metcalf, Thanks for the support.

Calvin Kim: I'm only concerned in that I want a reputation among RBE advocates that I am a helpful person for advice, should be included in projects, etc... If Peter is saying such things about me I worry it could hinder people approaching me when I could be a asset. That would hinder my work in helping this direction. I'm not seeking approval, just cooperation. Regardless to my thoughts, he carries much sway with many RBE advocates. I'm not waiting on him to move. ;) I am the first perpetual motion machine moving forward in the direction of the RBE!

I do think I remember seeing you at the ZDay 2010 event in NYC if I'm not mistaken. I don't think we got a chance to talk, but if you ever want to let me know. I appreciate your thoughts and insights.


Matthew Wagner FYI, I'm being told that Peter won't read this letter or anything from me ever. EVER. This is second had... but if true, unfortunate.


Sue A. Wagner Don't worry about what Zeitgeist celebrities think - Jacque dethroned them for a reason.

Is Merola's body covered by skin or tissue paper? He just cannot take any criticism or anything.

I'm so baffled why people in TZM think it's leaderless just because Merola said so. VTV is pretty clear that TZM has leaders and needs them. Merola the the one who chooses guest speaking on his radio hour and does most of them himself. He runs the show on TZM's site and now (apparently) he can kick people he doesn't like out for whatever reason.

Also Peter displays traits of Narcissistic Personality Disorder

Symptoms of this disorder include, but are not limited to:
Reacts to criticism with anger, shame, or humiliation
May take advantage of others to reach his or her own goal
Tends to exaggerate their own importance, achievements, and talents
Imagines unrealistic fantasies of success, beauty, power, intelligence, or romance
Requires constant attention and positive reinforcement from others
Easily becomes jealous
Lacks empathy and disregards the feelings of others
Obsessed with oneself
Mainly pursues selfish goals
Trouble keeping healthy relationships
Is easily hurt and rejected
Sets unrealistic goals
Wants "the best" of everything
Appears as tough-minded or unemotional
http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/narcissistic-personality-disorder/DS00652/DSECTION=sympto

Maybe TZM should read Animal Farm instead of watching CT flicks.