Skeptic Project

"One or two jokes is fine, but jeez, you make us sound like a bunch of children going on about it so much. To be fair Bill is the worst offender" yeah i gues your right after all we dont to end up like him.Anyway yes that was my one or two fat jokes.I doubt there is anymore left to come.

Oh no, I wouldn't want to lose the respect of the Zeitgeist Movement. Because, you know, I care so very much how they view me. What will I do if a forum full of Marxists doesn't respect me?! ;_;

VTV is fat.

This moral highground shit over TZM makes me laugh.

I couldn't really care less about his weight. I kinda find it funny that 90% of Zeitgeisters seem to own black leather jackets, I got five myself.

http://thezeitgeistmovement.com/joomla/index.php?option=com_community&view=photos&task=showimage&tmpl=component&imgid=536&maxW=1040&maxH=633

Once again, I find myself agreeing with Matt. Is this good or bad? :P

Look, VTV is a joke, but he's a joke because he's a conspiracy theorist and a very poor spokesman for the movement he purports to represent, not because he's fat.

William Howard Taft was a poor president because he was an inept politician and distracted from state affairs by his wife's health, not because he was fat.

Some people take the garbage out with a smile, others with a contempt for humanity.

The fat jokes were funny the first time, as was Dees. If I saw his pics for the 10th or 20th time like with the VTV fat jokes, however, I wouldn't laugh anymore.

@Matt as I nor like you nor dislike you I do admire your humor throughout CS forum. As I'm under the impression Matt that you think other people think that you and me are buddies buddies this is in fact not true, I don't know the guy just like the majority of the people on the internet.

Matt to clear things up in this area since you have seemed to have jumped to a conspiracy theory yourself my friend, I'll help you out here. "I don't even like Bill. He strikes me as a crank who's mad that RBE took a backseat to conspiracy shit."<-- you are correct I'm not your friend, I'm not a conspiracy theorist, I could give a shitte about a resource based economy, whatever Gits-R-Done. I graduated with a BA in Mechanical engineer I'm interested in automation that's the only reason I entered upon TZM.

To be honest Matt I think your a bit of kook yourself. Hopefully this will clear things up for everybody on CS who cares to know (I honeslty do not care but I think Matt does, hope this helps Bud).

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@VTV As I'll burrow a quote from Matt "Just because something is insulting doesn't mean it isn't true." as well as I'll repost something I had said previously "post below"

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"@Alton, that's exactly why I said hoarding in the first place s bad, and maybe I should define hoarding in the context I use it as not only hoarding money but resources as well. So if the venus project were to be implemented just because their is no money doesn't mean life on venus is going to be great. People can hoard resources towards their benefit, keep things to themselves, as the TZM cult video says create scarcity. Money actually levels the playing field as it can denote value towards a skill, product, or resource. Money makes collaboration possible through bringing skill, products, and resources all at the hands of the corporation/individual.

The venus project in my eyes is to much of a Utopian society. You have people like VTV who bathe in the concept of what I coin the terms of Fat-i-tis and Lazism, who already live in a Utopian society of their own, who do not contribute to society in any way shape or form, who live off the system like a big narcissistic parasite. The venus project is unproven, the zeitgeist movement worships the venus project like Christians worship the Heaven's both are in fact unproven ;) The venus project believes in centralization through technical means but that also increases vulnerability through individuals/groups with the means and know how to infect the central system to manipulate the hypothetical venus system to their means and all this without money. (sounds like technocracy does it? ah I'm a conspiracy theorist :O).

I see infections already happening in the venus project with people like VTV in power who VTV is too irresponsible and too incompetent to be a manager at McDonalds let alone be the spokes person for the venus project as I know other who believe it as well. Heck I bet since his wife excuse me EX-wife is gone the guy isn't responsible enough to take over the responsibly of paying his utility bills.

VTV is the type to point out other peoples flaws while ignoring his own glaring deficiencies. As a narcissist, VTV would probably naturally be drawn to a person who he is able to easily imprint his ever changing beliefs and opinions on. A person with an opinion of their own would only threaten VTV. He prefers a blank canvass. My personal take on the situation with VTV getting a divorce is that VTV's wife got tired of VTV relentless badgering. I cannot express strongly enough how critical he can be from what i've read/seen/and heard about him. VTV would rather stay home and frequent message boards than get a job and provide for his wife and children. If VTV ever discovered he couldn't be the boss as he think he is in the Venus project; he'd probably pick up his toys and find another group of fringe personalities to play with. It is only a matter of time until he alienates people in the zeitgeist movement/Venus Project. In general I can say that VTV is probably not the best representative for any movement that desires to be taken seriously.

One of the reasons I call VTV fat and poor is in fact that is true but also that I think if left unchecked VTV could become very dangerous. My instincts tell me that he is positioning himself as the heir apparent to Venus Project after their leader Fresco being is quite old (93 years of age), dies. This must not be allowed to happen. Although I disagree with the proponents of the Venus Project and zeitgeist movement on many issues and believe they are misguided; I also believe many of them genuinely want to improve the world. VTV would only take advantage of them such as what he is doing right now using TZM to get donation so he can buy computer at which he was successful at raising money towards one and raising money through donations to pay his utilities. VTV has the potential to be L. Ron Hubbard version 2.0.

In VTV's case and many other cases of the zeitgeist movement/venus project is the reason the venus project will not work. In the case of the venus project money isn't the problem the problem is incompetent people like VTV. This is also why the concept of money being bad is false. VTV has no money yet his motivation is their to still get power to still achieve something that is to be the spokes person for the venus project. What the hell does a spokes person do? Like Matt said money is bad when you have none and I can only say that money is a bad thing when you don't work for it but get it through welfare like VTV... When you are the scum of society like VTV the wife beater that's when money is bad and as a result other people who contribute to society have to pay for such diluted people. Money is a great collaborative tool, it's purely neutral, it helps exchange services and goods. To say money is bad with no positives to it is be completely one sided and when I watch the Zeitcult movie it was completely being one sided which is a fear monger tactic.

That's why I believe hording is bad as if one person has to much they control basically have ultimate control and say so of it. I suppose hoarding could be extended over to not only resources and money but power as well. Much like Fresco and Dr. Peter Joseph Merola, who continually preach one thing and do another and truely are the biggest hypocrites towards their own cause. These people horde power, and others quote them like the bible... peter said this, Fresco said this... Jesus said " He That Is Without Sin,Cast The First Stone", and God said... (after Fresco's dies) Well Fresco's interpretations could mean this, this and this... Money doesn't do this conspiracy theorist do this..."
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I call the guy fat because it's true but I will work on getting more elaborate with my helpful criticisms towards TZM/TVP on CS (helpful in my opinion may not be for yours).

@Ed lets not make a double standard by calling me out such as you did in "To be fair Bill is the worst offender" I do not post much on this forum but I'm sure if we all look around CS their is some type of insult somewhere by a member from CS to someone or CT, I'll work again on getting more elaborate with my helpful criticisms towards TZM/TVP on CS.

VTV you are fat

@Matt,

"This is exactly why I wanted to distance myself from you." Don't have a problem with that I understand you have a public imagine to maintain. For the record I could give a shitte if anyone likes me or not to be honest, a good example is the Plautus Satire spiel and when I posted up Thunder info (topic deleted respectfully) in a thread. I could care less for liberal, conservative or whatever dumbass label one would give people or what one may give themselves, I go from what i know if it's liberal so be it, conservative so be it or whatever. If it happens to be against someone well then I need to examine their data, then determine through research and time my thoughts on it again. I like things to be organic in nature from programming to thinking, things constantly change.

I was LMAO as I'm going to take it most others were when they read Matt's posts towards VTV, that's would stood out for me on CS as the best quotes which yours happened to be for me when you were corresponding to VTV. The VTV introduction Zeitgeist cult movement topic was the first introductory thread to me to conspiracy science.

To not have someone put that in the best of qoutes would of been a shame matter in fact each time I read over your qoutes I laughed my ass out each time.

If you have a problem with those quotes tell me through PM and I'll tell Edward or tell ED to take my post down in the topic thread you created called "favorite quotes" or something. I don't care if those post are taken down if your truly weirded out by it I'll contact ED ASAP to see if he can delete my post in that thread. I think Ed also said in that thread that most of what Matt says in quotable which is true I agree most of what you say is funny, satire and straight to the point. If your weired out by that then I'll be more than happy to talk to ED about taking that post out of the topic you made. When I see such things as "tubby comforts, and "Twinkie tits" those tend to stick out for me more easily than most.

To be honest I don't really have a vendetta towards VTV although I will admit it may appear I do, checkup on some of my newer posts (if you care) I talk a bit about Peter Merola, and Fresco, as well as I'm getting into looking into Fresco's work history (hopefully will find something). I'm also looking into William Cooper as well.