Skeptic Project

Being how I cannot easily post there, and up early, I thought I'd comment a little here in case anyone finds it interesting/amusing/etc.

(Please excuse the lack of direct links as the method I use to connect to the site doesn't provide them to me for copy/paste purposes.)

> The Zeitgeist MovementPublic Forum in EnglishSCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY
> Cryonics - A Possible Way To See TVP Realised?
>
> Many of us think that people today won't live to see TVP realised.
> Could cryonics offer a solution to this problem?

Sure, I believe it only costs something like $50k to have your head frozen..

Not that we are very sure we know how to freeze well enough yet..

But of course, if any one of us could raise £50k, we could actually use the money to build a TVP world today..

I quite like this comment to the question:

> But if we all froze ourselves until the year 2110 who will be left behind to
> make sure TVP comes to fruition?

What could be more Zitgiter than to skip all the hard work part and just wake up with a world without work :-)

> The Zeitgeist MovementPublic Forum in EnglishSCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY
> Scientists expect solar panels will top 65% efficiency in 10

10 years I guess..

Remember 10 years ago..

I still cannot afford many panels now :-)

Effiency improvements are nice, but do take an awful loong time to come to market and be available on Ebay. (Just look at low cost thin film stuff, still not quite cheaply available..)

Though if your interested, I think this is the cheapest I've found so far:

http://myworld.ebay.co.uk/lensun2010</p>

> The Zeitgeist MovementPublic Forum in EnglishHUMANITIES
> The Homeless and Invisible

Mentions: www.youtube.com/user/invisiblepeopletv

Not that I'm expecting Z folk to do much to help the homeless. (On the UK site someone brought up the subject and suggested people volunteer to work in soup kitchens, whilst a nice thought, I mentioned that the homeless don't want more soup, they want jobs and homes! at which point people lost interest in doing anything beyond sticky plaster charity work..)

As you probably all know, I@m keen on us building low cost housing as one of the key things to provide homes, pity its not an offical TZM policy as that would sure get them good PR.. (Not to mention help some of the few TZM folk who are homeless..)

> The Zeitgeist MovementPublic Forum in EnglishRADIO ADDRESS
> Question for Peter Joseph or any one relevant to the issue

>> What do you have to say about it?
>
> If I had to respond to all of the inadvertent misinterpretations and propaganda
> campaigns out there in video and text at this point, I wouldn't be able to do
> anything else. Therefore, I usually don't.

Ah, but if you do make the effort, which you have been recently, it looks so much better than hiding away and looking like a politican who lives in an ivory tower.

> Population can be controlled- not by an imposing group or a one child policy- but
> by conditioning each person at a young age of the exact reality that we live off
> of a finite planet and have finite resources.

I think the missing term there is 'we hope it can..'

Otherwise, we are going to have to use more imposing solutions..

Again, my favourite answer is, lets test these solutions and go with what works.

And of course, to test them, we'll have to build test communities..

> The Zeitgeist MovementPublic Forum in EnglishNEWS
> Geo-Thermal gets funding!

Which mentins: www.technologyreview.com/energy/25631/?nlid=3139

Great, but..

Not so long ago I posted quite a few times about how in the UK for example, the government was giving away millions to have geothermal plants built, and no one but me was interested in using that money to build something:

http://www.decc.gov.uk/en/content/cms/what_we_do/uk_supply/energy_mix/renewable/explained/geothermal/challenge_fund/challenge_fund.aspx</p>

This tech looked particularly promising:

http://www.evworld.com/article.cfm?storyid=247

http://www.powertubeinc.com

And this group took advantage of some of that funding available:

http://www.davidlock.com/weardale2/news.html</p>

That could have been TZM...

Millions in free money, and with a memebership of 400,000 people, just little old me interested in building anything today..

Pity PJ didn't give the nod that we should go out there, grab that free money and put it to some good use..

This came up and annoys me:

> General Advice
> 3. Avoid hijacking another user's thread. Hijacking is typically defined as posting
> an unrelated and/or irrelevant reply which then leads to the thread going off-topic,
> typically. If you have a new or unrelated topic you’d like to present, then create a
> new thread. Similarly, if you create a thread, and decide to introduce a new subject,
> create a new thread. Doing so will make it easier for others to locate relevant
> topics/threads.

Now in just about every other forum I@m in, there is no such thing as hijacking another users thread, threads are just allowed to grow as nature intended. Its most annoying for a subject to spawn something of interest and then have that interesting topic shut down.

Its almost as bad as forums that don't allow adverts for commerical products.. (An ideal way to get to chat to the actual producers of said products and get support, feedback/etc. as I've mentioned unpteen times, just have a section for vendors to post and users to chat to them, has worked fine in other forums I'm in for decades!)

It seems so much a modern forum rule that, no vendors! as if vendors are evil..

I don't want vendors hiding away, I want them talking in public so you can shout at them when they drop the ball!

You know, I just can't seem to find that thread/message about someone offering PJ some free money (I could do with some if anyones got any, as I'm short about £150 a month on my bills at the moment..) around $200 a month and him saying no as its too troublesome to deal with.. (Thats what accountants are for.. we should at the very least have a TZM accountancy pool to help everyone pay the least tax..)

Then people went on to suggest those wishing to donate, just buy lots of T-Shirts, which amused me as aren't we supposed to be against consumerism.. :-)

It reminds me of all the problems that appeared when several folk said they wanted to donate regularly to Fresco, and people was generally rather hostile to the idea..

Anyhow, I've run out of even vaguely interesting things to talk about posted on the TZM forums today.

I love how its easier for these guys to opine about population control than to go out and donate their time at a homeless shelter.

Technology will not magically replace hard work.

Someone had to make the lighter. If those who made the lighter only posted about one day making lighters, you would still be rubbing sticks together.

TZM members on the whole wish to avoid the hard work part of building the technological infrastructure though..

Much progress could have already been achieved since TZM came into being with the resources that just TZM members bring to the table, which has shown me how even if you provide people with the oppertunity to work together, few actually want to. (There was even free money into the millions available from various sources and still hardly no one wanted to build anything..)

I can understand now what rich folk was going on about when they describe poor folk as lazy good for nothings..

I do wonder sometimes if PJ understands that as well, which is why he doesn't push people to do anything more challanging than burning a DVD..

(Its just sad that one cannot really get an answer from him about that, because he rarely answers any questions ever..)

What it all means at the end of the day, is let the small handfuls of people that do want to build the future for you, work together, provide them with every resource you can and let them get on with it! (Rather than handicaping them and doing everything in your power to stop them..)

> Its no accident that most people involved in this are those who are at the age
> where they are about to enter the workforce.

If I remember correctly, the average TZM age is lower than the average during Piratebays Sealand effort. (By a year or two, I think the average for Sealand might have been 23, and its 21 with TZM, or maybe it was 21 in Sealand and 19 in TZM.. someplace I got the figures written down as I went and canvased folk to get it..)