Skeptic Project

In a civilized society of the future, the concept of "family" should be globally aborted and the children should be created in labs, from selected and optimized genetic material and ONLY when someone else dies. They should not have any contacts with the grown ups until 18 or so, they should be raised and educated separately, by an AI system, in ideal and equal conditions and based on the global educational system - a system based on rationality and scientific method but apt to register, support and help developing positive differences and talents of each child.

Actually the idea wouldn't mercilessly erase the concept of Family, it would make the whole humanity go up one step further towards becoming civilized by becoming one single "family", each grown-up becoming a "parent" of every child. In a system, that is not based on property, money and scarcity but on resources being equally shared by whole humanity, that shouldn't pose any technical or emotional problems - today's parents actually see their offspring as a sort of their property!

Today the above idea, even though rational, efficient, MORE HUMANE and a necessity for a highly civilized society, is probably shocking for most of the people, especially women. It is to be expected. But in a 500 years from now women (and men) might (and probably will !) find it "primitive", "dirty" and even "dangerous for the society" to bear and up-bring children on "private" basis. In a similar fashion that we today find, for example, the consummation of raw meat or live animals etc.

http://thezeitgeistmovement.com/joomla/index.php?option=com_kunena&Itemid=99999&func=view&catid=3&id=267752

There's a tendency on those forums to blame everything on the wasteful, spoiled developed world. As if urban societies are solely to blame for the rising human population.

But I'll be watching something like Unreported World where they're reporting on some hopeless African dustbowl country and the simple, agrarian villagers have like eight kids! Eight kids and they can't feed themselves. I certainly don't know anyone with eight kids.

>> Oh yea.. he also claims that because there is abuse within families, we ought to abandon them.

Both China and Cambodia tried this. Of course, I've noticed that like many conspiracy theorists TVP (though itself isn't a conspiracy movement) has the mindset it is absolutely unique and thus immune from criticism or comparison to anything else in existence.

>> The OP says this won't happen overnight, and other members suggest that he keep this idea in his pocket until enough people are eased into the RBE mindset.

It's like Marxism all over again.

"I think, with the "wrong" management, TVP could look very close to an "inversed" Cambodia, hail the intellectuals, get rid of the workers and simple folk."

Basically if Merola and VTV run it.

Ok, this is precisely where I see a huge problem in the mentality of these “scholars” “researchers” and “visionaries.” This idea that the solution to the “problem” of the family and its associated complications is to get rid of the family as a whole is not only asinine, but entirely narrow-sighted in its identification of where the family emerges.
There is remarkably very little to suggest that the family- and here I am referring to the biological, nuclear family unit- is in anyway voluntary to begin with. Indeed, if we anticipate that the family as a unit is mutable we should also be able to see that the existence of the family was a forced or highly developed system. However, in examining not only evolutionary progression, but also comparative biology we see that this is not the case. The family is driven together out of a series of complex situations. Altruism, biological recognition, psychological attachment, and even developmental necessity bring families together. Indeed, common knowledge demonstrates that children require adult interactions in order to learn. The idea that an “advanced AI” could in some way replace this necessary interaction is tremendously foolish.
The problem with this solution, as with others, is that the proponents are clearly undereducated in the many fields necessary to understand the phenomenon as a whole. The family as a unit is not only historical, but psychological, sociological, and biological in its construction. This half-assed attempt at solving the “problems” of the family by eliminating it overlooks at least three of the four fields I mentioned, and many other aspects I have not mentioned. This is the equivalent of seeing a rotting support beam in a tall structure, and deciding that the best way to deal with it is to completely get rid of the beam altogether. Lo and behold the structure comes down.
I find it amusing that many skeptics are called arrogant in debates, and yet there is no greater demonstration of misplaced arrogance than thinking you have the information necessary to solve a complex problem when, in fact, you have no conception of the tremendous complexities at hand.

I would like to a film made about a small group successfully converting the world to RBE, resulting in a robotic takeover.

What disturbed me were how many agreed with it.

What disturbed me more than that were how many suggested he keep such an idea to himself until more people were recruited.

Makes me wonder what other sort of nutball ideas these kids have that they're just keeping to themselves.

The best was the guy on the first or second page who admitted that he hadn't read the post yet but saw the words "population control."

Granted, he was against the argument that such a control is in place. But that is a common habit among both sides. The skeptics will sometimes see phrases or words that stand out such as "inside job" or "conspiracy" or whatever and focus so much on that point that they sometimes ignore any truth in the rest of the writing. CTs will focus on phrases such as "world government" and typically miss the whole point.

Threads like these on TZM forums are examples of why many people with credentials won't take them seriously and will view them as Neo-Marxists still thinking that humans start off as some blank slate that can be conditioned into being almost perfect in behavior and character.

@Falkner

Well, spoken!

@Muertos

>> Families have been the basis of human society since caveman times. You can't have Thanksgiving dinner with a computer.

I imagine this is how many TZM members actually spend thanksgiving.

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All this guy is doing is mixing Brave New World, Gattaca, and other sci-fi horse shit. The only thing lacking is a promotion of using Esperanto, though I've seen other TZM posts about a global language.

It seems they really buy into the blank slate idea, because they still hammer on about money being the root of all evil.

The fact that its completely wrong doesn't seem to matter to them.

I would wreck their TVP future if it became a reality for no other reason than it would be funny to do so.

They can't even get on RT.

Pretty much any kook I can think of in the nutball circuit can get on RT.

"The only thing lacking is a promotion of using Esperanto, though I've seen other TZM posts about a global language."

Last Z-Radio show was about Lojban.

> global language

I suggested English, but such an answer seems rather too simple for them it seems..

> Just wait until they describe this to the media (assuming they get the chance),
> they'll do a better job at making people think they are nuts than any outsider
> ever could.

Back when TZM was TVP, and more sciencie, I think you could have looked less nuts, but now, its slowly getting out of hand. (I had hoped people like Doughlas would bring some sense into the place, but he seems to have been keeping his head down lately..)

Anticultist that matrix rap is so bad I could only listen to 5 seconds before I had to turn it off in embarrassment.