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don't know how I ended up seeing this article, but basically the DHS has supposedly stockpiled on amunition for what these people are describing as domestic warfare/battle. They've also ordered lots of emergency water drinking kits and microwaveable food apparently

Thoughts on this? I'm not sure what to think at the moment. A stockpile of these things could be for any reason, not necessarily a disater or a war of any sort. But I'm just waiting for your opinions on this too


http://www.naturalnews.com/035649_DHS_ammunition_domestic_war.html

I have no knowledge of whether hollow tip ammunition rounds are used in training or not. so they are used in training?

oh and I figured i should link the video that these people have been posting:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=UJiQkKoIeFw

Of course it's the same radical christians who always claim that microchips are the mark of the beast and crap like that, despite that if you actually study the symbolic language of the bible and the original meaning of the Greek words, it's clearly supposed to be a FIGURATIVE mark. a literal one really makes no sense and it'd be unfair too. what if someone was forced against their will to get a chip? yeah totally fair right? pfft...

and hasn't that natural news sight been saying martial law is about to be declared for like a decade now? never has happened...

They had talked about this on Metabunk, I think it was fully debunked there... Let me find it

There it was.. darn you're better at me in searching things like this

Nope, still haven't found anything to debunk/explain the concerns I listed above. Just a bunch of stupid conspiracy websites. Can someone help me with answering the above concerns that I still have left? I'm not having any luck

agreed, but why would they need food kits, water kits and blankets and "bullet resistant booths"? What's the rational explanation for that because it does seem abit fishy. The bullets and vehicles part is easily explained though

If anyone remembers Katrina and pretty much every major disaster area, humans have the tendency to arm themselves and go looting.

Bullet proof shelters and that amount of food aid would go hand in hand in such a scenario.

There is nothing particularly unusual here, other than the typical insinuation of conspiracy by paranoid people.

Government shutdowns have happened before, old sport. Read this:

http://seanmunger.com/2013/09/30/the-madness-last-time-the-u-s-government-shutdown-of-1995-96/

One thing I think I am starting to realise with you, no matter what anyone here says, there is always going to be something minor that makes you scared of your own shadow.

You should probably look at yourself and try to figure out why you get so easily scared before posting here, because that is the problem you need to address first. I don't think anyone on the forum really wants to be a counsellor to your insecurities, aside from none of us being qualified, this is not the place to be acting like a scared bunny rabbit because you heard something that frightens you.

Sorry but this needs saying man, you are coming across as a paranoid and you really need to pull yourself together. Quit believing any old stupid shit you read or hear on the internet. The very fact you are posting natural news as a source here is a fucking embarrassment.

This probably comes across as mean, but my intention is to be real with you so at least take what I am saying on board for your own good.

Listen, I have seen you use the word concern in reference to your feelings about something you read or heard on the internet in this thread numerous times. Usually what you are asking people to debunk is either located or sourced from a crank website, or the person saying it is being misinterpreted, or what is being said is also by a crank.

It is very rare that anything conspiratorial turns out to be a true fact, and typically when something of the magnitude of these claims is made there will ALWAYS be a hard nosed set of reporters chasing the trail. Now if the USA was organising an internal civil war where the government/military are on one side and the rest of society are on the other, this kind of story would not be under the radar. Not only would it be front page news, not only would there be serious investigative reporting going on about the topic, but there would also be a major public outcry about it everywhere [This means the entire World not just America]. It would be so large that it would be impossible to escape it on the news. It would not only appear on crank websites or crank youtube channels, that fact should be an immediate red flag to you.
This kind of paranoid crap being talked about in these links you are providing is the type of crap that survivalists, end of world conspiracists, doomers, peak oil believers, paultards have been claiming for fucking decades. All of whom have been long proven cranks.


If you want an answer this stuff you are posting is Bull shit, I don't need to debunk it because it's been debunked online already. The US government is not usurping its populace with a FEMA conspiracy, the end. It's the same crap that gets rolled out and repackaged by conspiracy theorists each generation.

If you wonder why I am so unconcerned, research the end of world/doomers/paulards/survivalist conspiracy theories, they're identical.

TL/DR

Where are the reporters and the renowned government/high level experts backing these claims up ?
Why are these claims ONLY being made by cranks or on crank sites ?
Is a crank youtube channel worth taking seriously ? [raptureready.com = end of world nutcase]

Quote from anticultist

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Martial_law

http://conspiracies.skepticproject.com/articles/fema/list/

http://isthatafemacamp.blogspot.ca/

http://conspiracies.skepticproject.com/tags/fema/

http://conspiracies.skepticproject.com/forum/4554/martial-law-and-what-you-can-do-about-it/

Edwards FEMA section is incomplete, I wouldn't call it a better source, TBH.

This is also worth a read as well: http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4145%3C

I can't seem to post the link to the article, so I'll just show it here:

FEMA Prison Camps
A skeptical look at the claim that FEMA maintains a network of prison camps in readiness.

Today we're going to have a look at more than 800 sites inside the United States, said by some to be prisons operated by FEMA (the Federal Emergency Management Agency), for the purpose of holding as many as ten million American citizens prisoner, with no criminal charges filed. YouTube carries videos of such empty prison compounds, and dozens of web sites like libertyforlife.com and abovetopsecret.com showcase photographs and reports by independent investigators. These alleged prisons are hidden everywhere in plain sight: A train yard or shipping terminal mysteriously surrounded by barbed wire; a closed military base with some new construction happening; or even just a vacant site that seems like it could be a good location. A paranoid conspiracy theory, you say? Perhaps. But might there actually be reason to believe that plans for just this scenario really do exist?

When I first heard the FEMA Prison Camp conspiracy story, it seemed ridiculous and paranoid at face value. But when I finally dug in to research it, I started by searching for the origins of the rumors, and found to my surprise that nearly all of the legal foundation and precedent for such a plan does in fact exist. One primary source of fuel for the fire is Garden Plot, the Department of Defense's civil disturbance plan to assist local authorities during times of civil unrest, natural disasters, or other emergencies. Garden Plot has been notably activated after 9/11, and also during the 1992 Los Angeles riots. Garden Plot's authority comes from Article I of the United States Constitution, that states in part "Congress shall have power... to provide for calling forth the Militia to execute laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections, and repel Invasions." Taking it one step further, Title 10, sections 331-334 of federal law authorize the President to suppress insurrections, rebellions, and domestic violence by executive order. In recent years, the Insurrection Act and the Posse Comitatus Act, which limited executive powers to deploy the military for purposes of law enforcement, have been amended to broaden the scope of exceptions.

Periodically, the government conducts interagency readiness exercises to prepare for such contingencies. Past examples of such exercises that are frequently cited by Prison Camp conspiracy guys include Rex-82 Proud Saber (where Rex-82 stands for Readiness Exercise, 1982), and Rex-84 Night Train. In these exercises, agencies deal with such problems as major strikes and unlawful assemblies. They may impose martial law, arrest large numbers of people, and handle mass relocation of civilians. Now, obviously, there are times when this is a good thing and we want it to happen. A lot of us were glad that the National Guard came in to help quell the L.A. riots. If a large force of Oklahoma City style militiamen started blowing up a city, I'd want the Army to have pretty extensive powers to put a stop to it. But, unfortunately, everything is a double-edged sword. For the government to have this level of power when it's needed, it means they also have it when they say it's needed, and when you and I might not necessarily be in favor of it. What if Congress suddenly made all guns illegal? They would sure as hell need prison camps to hold ten million rioting citizens. Such powers necessarily do exist.

Despite the reasonable plausibility, most of the sources trumpeting FEMA prison camps are clearly delusional, blaming the "Illuminati" for the prison camps, and claiming that they are to support the "new world order". One online list of prison locations describes a Mojave Desert location as a "Fully staffed full gassing/cremating death camp with airstrip, dedicated to the termination red/blue list under martial law," and states that it was recently toured by "high level Illuminati Luciferians". A camp in Alaska is said to have a capacity of two million, despite Alaska's total population of less than 700,000.

And now that President Obama is in office, the charges now fall onto his shoulders. One report says that Obama has already ordered the immediate opening of America's "vast gulag of concentration camps" to handle the "social upheaval" caused by the "economic collapse", and is in the process of incarcerating 775,000 citizens as part of "Project ENDGAME". Fear that this mass arrest and execution of Americans is already in progress is commonly expressed on a lot of these web sites. You might remember former U.S. Representative and Green Party presidential candidate Cynthia McKinney, perhaps best known for her 2006 punching of a Capitol police officer who stopped her when she refused to show proper credentials while bypassing the Capitol's metal detectors. Following Hurricane Katrina, she announced that 5,000 New Orleans prisoners had been executed by the military:

Her son's charge by the Department of Defense was to process 5,000 bodies that had received a single bullet wound to the head, and these were mostly males... The data about these individuals was entered into a Pentagon computer. And then reportedly the bodies were dumped in the swamp in Louisiana... I have verification from insiders, who wish to remain anonymous, at the Red Cross, that this is true. (Because clearly, the Red Cross would be deeply involved in such a plot - BD.)

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McKinney was also the driving force behind the 2005 Congressional briefing where she presented testimony and numerous witnesses claiming that the U.S. was behind the 9/11 attacks. In fact, when you search the Internet for FEMA prison camps, you find a lot of the information is deeply interwoven with 9/11 conspiracy theories. The same familiar names appear: Like when Halliburton announced its fourth quarter results for 2005, one of the line items was a $385 million five-year contract to support temporary detention capabilities for Immigration and Customs Enforcement. Conspiracy theorists jumped on this and said it was proof that the prisons are being built. I don't know how many prisons you think can be built, staffed, and operated for $77 million a year, but our local megachurch here has spent more than that alone just building a parking garage and a bookstore cafe.

Now of course, we do know that the U.S. government has, in the past, set up prison camps into which law-abiding American citizens have been forcibly relocated, by Presidential order. This happened between 1942 and 1945, when people of Japanese ancestry were rounded up and placed into concentration camps to prevent them from aiding the Japanese during World War II. I recently visited Manzanar, the best preserved of these sites, which is now operated by the National Park Service. You can tour the grounds and they have a great museum, with very frank exhibits that make no excuses for what happened. There is no secrecy or coverup about it. Even today, the U.S. government operates detention facilities around the world, like Guantanamo Bay, which is well known and fully disclosed. Garden Plot and the readiness exercises are all matters of public record.

But there are other sites, such as Diego Garcia Island in the Indian Ocean, for which reasonable evidence exists that it's been used as a detention facility, but that no official admission is made. In fact, it's denied. Whether true or not, the existence of Diego Garcia would not constitute good evidence that concentration camps exist inside the United States; there are significant differences. Whatever might happen on Diego Garcia happens behind closed doors, whereas the claimed concentration camps are right out in broad daylight. And if you're going to illegally rough up a terrorism suspect, a small room overseas is a great place to do it; but a wide-open concentration camp in the public eye, designed for tens of thousands, would be a rather poor choice. So, to a responsible skeptic, the other examples of government behavior that we have constitute pretty poor support for the existence of domestic concentration camps.

At the time Japanese Americans were rounded up and put into Manzanar, it was a reasonable precaution according to the standards of the times. I used to find it hard to believe that people could think so differently only a few decades ago, but in 1999 I bought a house in a neighborhood laid out in the 1930's, and in the original deed was a clause that the buyer may not to sell the house to "a Negro, a Jew, or a Chinaman." Times change. Manzanar would never happen today, and although the government technically has the same powers to do it now as it did then, it's not realistic to be concerned about it recurring.

Our man Benjamin Franklin famously said: "Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither, and will lose both." Having to take off your shoes to get on a plane and not being allowed to have a water bottle are infringements that Ben would have deemed unacceptable first steps, but they are also a far cry from millions of civilians being thrown into prison camps. We choose to elect politicians who don't want us to bring water bottles onto planes, because (for better or for worse) that's what's important to our society right now. I don't remember anyone electing a politician who wants to throw millions of Americans into prison camps. To make effective electoral decisions, you need to maintain a healthy skepticism, and not go off the deep end and suppose that every Halliburton contract is a slippery slope leading to Americans being gassed in military concentration camps. If you see barbed wire around a train yard, consider the possibility of other explanations (like the train company doesn't need stuff being stolen) before you conclude that the Illuminati are out to kill you.

thanks clock, and anticultist. havent looked at all the links yet but i will. I've seen the RationalWiki one already, and Locke's blog. Let me state that I have never believed in fema camps, even since this thread and during this thread, i dont believe in them. It's just the supposed imposing of martial law and some government made disaster that initially caught my interest. But absolutely nothing to do with believing in "fema" camps

id like to add. I know a lot of the time it comes of as me being scared, and again, when i first started posting on this site, it was pretty damn obvious I was having troubles. When I find something of the sort that catches my attention I'll attempt to debunk it on my own first, at least whatever I can do on my own. I dont always have an answer and that's when i come to this site for help. Alot of the debunking skills that I HAVE learned has been taught to me through this site and it's members, so for that I thank everyone who's ever helped me debunk shit. But if you'd do some backtracking, you'll see that most (if not all) of my posts on this site from this year are alot less fear based and me worrying. Rather me just asking for extra opinions or simply asking for extra help when I dont have my own answer. and even a few of my posts from 2012 are not based off me being scared (though about 90% of the 2012 ones are).