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Edward L WinstonPosted: Jan 31, 2010 - 17:31
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Here we will work together to debunk that inaccurate claims in Fall of The Republic.

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2) If you need to update something you stated on this thread previous, edit your original post, do not make a new post. This way we can keep things all together.
3) Have fun, don't stress!
4) Anyone who contributes (real information) to this thread will be marked as a contributor/author to the article.

The Film: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VebOTc-7shU

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Edward L WinstonPosted: Jan 31, 2010 - 17:32
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I wanted to contribute a list of those in the film, that I've noted thus far:

(Cast of Characters)
[Dr. Robert Bowman] old guy, nuclear physics, constitution in background
[Alan Watt] scottish guy, grey, bad teeth
[Max Keiser] guy in white shirt, works for Iran
[G. Edward Griffin] old guy in his office
[John Perkins] eonomic hit man
[George Humphrey]
[Dr. Francis A. Boyle] squirly old guy, looks like Ron Paul
[Jesse Ventura]
[Gerald Celente]
[Webster Tarpley]
[Wayne Madsen] guy outside at the national mall, looks like a fat version of that guy who debated noam chomsky and threatened to punch him in the face
[William K. Black] can't close his mouth; green shirt with tie

The descriptions are mine, they're just a copy and paste from my notes so I remember who these people are. They're not "official descriptions" ;-)

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Agent MattPosted: Jan 31, 2010 - 17:33
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Who is Dr. Robert Bowman the nuclear engineer?

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According to Wikipedia:

Robert M. Bowman (born 1934) is a former Director of Advanced Space Programs Development for the U.S. Air Force in the Ford and Carter administrations, and a former United States Air Force Lieutenant Colonel with 101 combat missions. He holds a Ph.D. in Aeronautics and Nuclear Engineering from the California Institute of Technology.

Bowman, the father of Robert M. Bowman, Jr., is the founder and Presiding Archbishop of the United Catholic Church, an "independent Catholic fellowship" created in 1996 and held to be connected through apostolic succession to the Old Catholic Church. Additionally, he is Executive Director of Christian Support Ministries.
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From what I can tell, the United Catholic Church is for people who want to practice the Catholic rituals, but are wary that the Vatican might be controlled by the Illuminati. Maybe a bit influenced by the Christian Identity movement. So maybe you can get your Eucharist and still think the Vatican is Satanic at the same time. Neat idea.

He seems to be a regular contributor to Truther sites and blogs.

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Agent MattPosted: Jan 31, 2010 - 17:46
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Who is Gerald Celente?

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According to Wikipedia:

Gerald Celente (born November 29, 1946) is an American trend forecaster, publisher of the Trends Journal, business consultant[3] and author who makes predictions about the global financial markets and other events of historical importance. Celente has described himself as a "political atheist" and "citizen of the world." He has appeared as a guest on television news shows such as The Oprah Winfrey Show, The Today Show, Good Morning America, CBS Morning News, The Glenn Beck Show and NBC Nightly News.

An article in the Washington Times has claimed "Celente's accurate forecasts include the 1987 stock market crash, the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991, the 1997 Asian currency crash" and "the 2007 subprime mortgage scandal." His forecasts since 1993 have included predictions about terrorism, economic collapses and war. More recent forecasts involve fascism in the United States, food riots and tax revolts.
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Sort of interesting how the entry goes from very specific, to very vague. Either way, I do not recall any food riots or tax revolts. If your perspective is extreme enough, I guess you find some fascism in America. Then perhaps the tea parties could be "revolts" and then his predictions would be accurate.

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In 2009 Celente predicted turmoil which he described as "Obamageddon" and he was a popular guest on conservative cable-TV shows such as Fox News Sunday and Glenn Beck's television program. In April 2009 Celente wrote, "Wall Street controls our financial lives; the media manipulates our minds. These systems cannot be changed from within. There is no alternative. Without a revolution, these institutions will bankrupt the country, keep fighting failed wars, start new ones, and hold us in perpetual intellectual subjugation." He appeared on the Glenn Beck show and criticized the U.S. stimulus plan of 2009, calling government controlled capitalism "fascism" and saying shopping malls in the U.S. would become "ghost malls." Celente has said, "smaller communities, the smaller groups, the smaller states, the more self-sustaining communities, will 'weather the crisis in style' as big cities and hypertrophic suburbias descend into misery and conflict," and forecasts "a downsizing of America."
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So this is the Nostradamus, huh?

Let's see what some other people think of Celente:

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Aside from the Dale Carnegie-style language here, much of Celente’s “suggestions” seem more like a series of guidelines on how to become a successful “futurist” predicting a good deal of generalist nonsense that scares the shit out of people, using language lifted from a newspaper story’s barebones and riding on a few hunches. Of course, it also helps to have an aesthetic touch — something along the lines of a desktop covered with 12 globes, just so you can impress a New York Times reporter who comes by to write a small profile.

Since Infowars could not be bothered to perform even the most rudimentary act of journalism, the time has come to see if Celente’s record truly cuts the mustard.

* In May 1993, in a story about fiftysomethings losing their jobs written for the Orange County Register, Celente was quoted. He was advising IBM at the time during a period of downsizing. What was Celente’s golden advice? He informed displaced executives to “go for some kind of counseling.” Asked to comment on this situation, Celente offered the same doom and gloom boilerplate that he’s telling us today: “The Industrial Age is ending. All the systems are breaking down and that means disappointment and disillusionment for the people who grew up in the ’50’s.” He elaborated, “These people believed in the Ozzie and Harriet way of life. That concept is dead. So is the concept of retiring at 65.” These were hardly prescient or specific thoughts, but they were certainly dramatic enough to make it into an Orange County newspaper.
* Why not get topical? Let’s take Celente on a more specialized subject like restaurants. In 1993, Celente predicted “growing demands for take-out food, high- and low-end restaurants, and restaurants that offer live entertainment. Middle-range restaurants with mainstream fare will suffer.” Aside from the fact that Celente’s prediction accounts for about 90% of restaurants, doesn’t the fact that human beings need to eat remain a comfy ledge to launch a prediction?
* In 1998, Celente told Money Magazine that, as the population grows older, “Americans will be spending more time at home than ever before both for pleasure and business.” Imagine that. You grow old, retire, and then you suddenly have more time. How the hell did Celente know?
* In the September 21, 2000 edition of Newsweek, the great futurist weighed in on mindless chores. Why are they called mindless? “Your mind can’t be going all the time.” And when any problem becomes bigger, it becomes bigger than burnout. “It’s road rage, it’s air rage, it’s Columbine, it’s stress — and people don’t get it.” I’m wondering if it’s also the kind of impulse that will cause you to make impetuous predictions about the United States’s future.
* Asked by CBS News in May 2005 to comment upon where Dillard’s planned to go, Celente had this to say: “There is nothing Dillard’s has that you can’t find in 1,000 other places. America is vastly overstored.” Take out “Dillard’s” and sub it in with another department store chain name, and you begin to see what little Celente’s remarks say.
* But if we’re in for a future of doom and gloom, Celente has been sending us some mixed messages. He told the Associated Press in May 2005, “The bottom of the luxury market is not going to fall out.”
* Talking with the Associated Press in September 2005, Celente suggested that Wal-Mart could deflect its negative image with its philanthropy. That’s hardly a stunning insight. Any positive action has the probability of causing a company to look good. This is rudimentary probability. But what profound thoughts did our great seer tell the AP? “We try to refrain from making value judgments — what the motive is. But the fact is that [Wal-Mart was] there with trailer trucks being turned away. Amazing, isn’t it?” Amazing indeed. Presumably, the AP reporter who talked with Celente did so because the reporter needed somebody to describe the situation as “amazing” or “magnificent.” Some casual modifier that might be confused for profound thought.
* Celente was asked to weigh in on Internet trends by the San Francisco Chronicle’s Patricia Yollin in December 2006. “People are more electronically connected and less humanly connected,” opined our great psychic. And if that general piece of advice wasn’t enough, Celente also took the time to badmouth public displays of affection, pointing out how unacceptable it was to put PDA in “techno jargon.” Perhaps Celente confused PDA with another type of PDA, but what he didn’t seem to tell the reporter was that acronyms have existed long before the Internet.

Here you have a history of a man who not only makes his living spouting this generalist nonsense at corporations, but who is listened to by the media. If we weren’t all scared shitless, this wingnut would be chased out of boardrooms and newsrooms with pitchforks.

http://www.edrants.com/gerald-celente-futurist-fraud/<br /> -----

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Agent MattPosted: Jan 31, 2010 - 18:00
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Who is Wayne Madsen?

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According to Wikipedia:

Wayne Madsen (born April 25, 1954) is a controversial Washington, D.C.-based investigative journalist, author and columnist who has been described by critics as a conspiracy minded blogger. He is the author of the blog Wayne Madsen Report.
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That's it? Well I guess he is as qualified as any other conspiracy blogger then.

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In 2003 he said that he had uncovered information linking the September 11 attacks to the government of Saudi Arabia as well as to Bush administration.
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Seven years later and that information is... where?

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Later that year he wrote that a Thanksgiving dinner eaten by George W. Bush with troops in Bagdad was really served in the early morning, not at traditional dinner time in the afternoon or evening. This disputed report apparently originated from a miscalculation of time zone difference;when this was pointed out, Madsen refused to withdraw the allegation, claiming, "It's all a secret of course, so no one will ever know.
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I think this says all we need to know about Madsen.

Or does it...

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In 2005 he said that the pro-Israel lobby, AIPAC, had pressured American politicians to stay away from protests against the Iraq war.
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My anti-Semite senses are tingling.

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Later that year he criticized the movie industry for indirectly causing suffering in Africa by promoting diamonds in movies like Breakfast at Tiffany's and Diamonds Are a Girl's Best Friend. He included Leonardo DiCaprio, whose film Blood Diamond dealt with the issue, as well as Russell Simmons who is selling a line of "nonconflict diamonds." Madsen said about them, "It's a p.r. campaign. They should be saying, 'Don't buy diamonds at all.'"
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Everything is a conspiracy.

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"In a 2008 ArabNews article, Madsen is quoted as suggesting that the criminal prosecution of New York State governor Eliot Spitzer was partly due to the Israeli intelligence agency Mossad."
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My anti-Semite senses tingle more strongly now.

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Also on June 9, 2008 he reported "GOP dirty tricks operatives" had found a Kenyan birth certificate registering the birth of Barack Obama, Jr., on August 4, 1961. "However, the registration is a common practice in African countries whose citizens abroad have families with foreign nationals." This birth certificate was a cornerstone of the "Kenyan Born" subset of the so-called birther conspiracy theories, and Madsen's article was cited in a Washington state petition challenging Obama's eligibility to serve.
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Birther. Makes sense. Uppity negro Presidents scare me too.

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In April 25, 2009, Madsen reported claims that some UN World Health Organization officials and scientists believed the 2009 new H1N1 strain of swine flu virus appeared to be the product of gene splicing, as opposed natural processes, citing as evidence the presence of genetic material from strains not occurring in pigs (such as bird flu and different forms of human flu), the lack of transmission from pigs to humans and the flu disproportionately affecting young adults when compared to other strains of flu. The virus was later declared by the CDC to be a combination of four different viruses: North American swine flu, North American avian flu, human H1N1 flu and a swine flu strain found in Asia and Europe. New Scientist magazine cited the example of a H1N2 influenza pandemic in the 1990s that only affected pigs in the United Kingdom. This subtype of the H1N2 was also a reassortment (mix) of swine, human and avian strains.
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Well, I suppose that is less offensive than blaming it on illegal immigrants. But its still wrong.

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Agent MattPosted: Jan 31, 2010 - 18:29
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Who is G. Edward Griffin?

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According to Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G._Edward_Griffin</p>

G. Edward Griffin (born November 7, 1931) is an American film producer, author, and political lecturer. Starting as a child actor, he became a radio station manager before age 20. He then began a career of producing documentaries and books on often-debated topics like cancer, Noah's ark, and the Federal Reserve, as well as on right-libertarian views of the U.S. Supreme Court, terrorism, subversion, and foreign policy. Since the 1970s, Griffin has promoted Laetrile as a killer of cancer cells, a view not accepted by a majority of scientists. He has also promoted the Durupınar site as hosting the original Noah's ark, against skeptics as well as near-Ararat Creationists. He has opposed the Federal Reserve since the 1960s, saying it constitutes a banking cartel and an instrument of war and totalitarianism. In 2002, Griffin founded the individualist network Freedom Force International.
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Standard extreme right Libertarian nut with a Noah's Ark twist. Sweet. So I wonder what sort of individualist would join his Freedom Force International network. What better place to look than it's Hall of Honor:

1. Alex Jones
2. G. Edward Griffin (How humble, he put himself second)

The rest are other conspiracy theorists and homeopaths that I don't care to bother listing, go here for the rest:

http://www.freedomforceinternational.org/freedomcontent.cfm?fuseaction=hallofhonor&refpage=home /> -----

On with the Wiki:

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Griffin has been a member and officer of the conservative John Birch Society for much of his life and a contributing editor to its magazine, The New American. Since the 1960s, Griffin has spoken and written at length about the Society's theory of history involving "communist and capitalist conspiracies" over banking systems (including the Federal Reserve), American foreign policy, the U.S. Supreme Court, and the United Nations
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Fucking Birchers...

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In 1974, Griffin wrote and published the book World Without Cancer,[15][16] and released it as a documentary video; its second edition appeared in 1997, and it was translated into Afrikaans, 1988, and German, 2005. It stated that cancer is a metabolic disease facilitated by the lack of Laetrile (called Vitamin B17 by its American developer), a view which has not been accepted by the majority of scientists. Because the position had been labeled "quackery" by the American Cancer Society, as well as the U.S. Food and Drug Administration and the American Medical Association, Griffin responded that such groups had a "hidden economic and power agenda".
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Why would it be translated in Afrikaans and German first? What demographic was he aiming for?

All racist innuendos aside, he's an obvious quack. Eating apricot seeds will probably not cure your cancer.

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Griffin enrolled in the College for Financial Planning in Denver, Colorado, became a Certified Financial Planner in 1989, and described the U.S. money system in his 1993 movie and 1994 book on the Federal Reserve System, The Creature from Jekyll Island. This popular book has been a business bestseller; it has been reprinted in Japanese, 2005, and German, 2006. The book also influenced Ron Paul during the writing of a chapter on money and the Federal Reserve in Paul's New York Times number-one bestseller, The Revolution: A Manifesto, which recommended Griffin's book on its "Reading List for a Free and Prosperous America".

The title refers to the November 1910 meeting at Jekyll Island, Georgia, of seven bankers and economic policymakers, who represented the financial elite of the Western world.
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This book is often sourced by conspiracy theorists, but I had never really looked into who wrote it. Glad I know.

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Edward Flaherty, an academic economist,[36] characterized Griffin's description of the secret meeting on Jekyll Island as "conspiratorial", "amateurish", and "suspect". Griffin's response was that Flaherty had miscategorized the book with other publications and had labeled all criticisms of the Federal Reserve as the results of conspiracy theory.

Griffin's dreams of a free-market, private-money system superior to the Fed caused economist Bernard von NotHaus to deploy such a system in 1998. Griffin states that von NotHaus's private silver certificates, known as Liberty Dollars, are "real money".
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Ah, yes, the tried and true "I'm not a conspiracy theorists just because conspiracy theorists buy my book" defense. Either way, if you are a Bircher you are a conspiracy theorist.

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lso during this time, Griffin wrote and narrated the 1992 documentary The Discovery of Noah's Ark, based on U.S. Merchant Marine officer David Fasold's 1988 book, The Ark of Noah. Griffin's film said that the original Noah's ark continued to exist in fossil form at the Durupınar site, about 17 miles (27 km) from Mount Ararat in Turkey, based on photographic, radar, and metal detector evidence. Griffin also narrated that towns in the area had names that resembled terms from the Biblical story of the flood. He presented a viewpoint that the flood might have been the action of massive tides caused by a gravitational interaction between Earth and a large celestial body coming close to it.

Popular Mechanics stated Fasold had described his research as "radar imagery ... so clear that Fasold could count the floorboards between the walls"; Griffin has continued to promote this view, as did Fasold's co-researcher Ron Wyatt and Wyatt Archeological Research. Creationists Andrew Snelling and John D. Morris prefer a near-Ararat site; Snelling supports geologist Tom Fenner's view that "a great deal of effort was put into repeating the radar measurements acquired in 1986 by Wyatt and Fasold .... After numerous attempts over a period of one and a half days [Geophysical Survey Systems] were unable to duplicate their radar records in any way." Fasold himself revisited the site evidence with geologists Ian Plimer and Lorence Collins and came to doubt his initial position, saying, "I believe this may be the oldest running hoax in history. I think we have found what the ancients said was the Ark, but this structure is not Noah's Ark.
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This is too fucking stupid to bother with. I'm hungry.

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