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Agent Matt | Posted: Jun 27, 2010 - 16:11 |
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Genuine American Monster Level: 70 CS Original | Prostitution exists because too many problems accompany finding a partner and having a love life caused by TMS and the value systems associated with it. Afterall, there are various traditions that are intertwined with TMS. For example, going out for an expensive dinner with your girlfriend to win sex scares most men because most men (like most women) aren't wealthy. Couple that with constant nagging and fights caused due the stresses imposed on the couple from TMS and the need for servitude for money. Now throw in media glorification of men getting sex easy by flashing money at a random woman. | |||||
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Muertos | Posted: Jun 27, 2010 - 16:29 |
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Paid Disinformation Blogger Level: 14 CS Original | That is astonishingly stupid. | |||||
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Edward L Winston | Posted: Jun 27, 2010 - 16:36 |
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President Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho: porn star and five-time ultimate smackdown wrestling champion! Level: 150 CS Original | Prostitution is called the oldest profession because it almost certainly predates even tool making. Hell, some birds even use sex to get males to do things for them. But yes, stupid. | |||||
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Sil the Shill | Posted: Jun 27, 2010 - 16:52 |
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Level: 9 CS Original | I think this is just the posters not so subtle way of letting everyone know he can't get laid. | |||||
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Nanos | Posted: Jun 28, 2010 - 00:29 |
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Level: 0 CS Original | I think its far from stupid myself. But, if you do remove TMS, then men are going to be forced to use their natural abilities to entice women.. As such, I can well imagine male sucide rates to go up and there to be far more unhappy males around, thus probably more crime, bored males breaking things, rape.. So, the future may well be better for some, and worse for others.. And require a huge police force to keep the unhappy males in check.. But at least everyone will be happier right.. | |||||
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sorry | Posted: Jun 28, 2010 - 00:37 |
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Level: 12 CS Original | There is some validity in what they're saying, but it is still based on a significant amount of guessing in regards to social dynamics. There is far more guessing about how the RBE would work than empirical evidence. | |||||
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Edward L Winston | Posted: Jun 28, 2010 - 00:50 |
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President Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho: porn star and five-time ultimate smackdown wrestling champion! Level: 150 CS Original | @Nanos >> Words So much for blank slate then, huh? | |||||
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Nanos | Posted: Jun 28, 2010 - 01:00 |
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Level: 0 CS Original | If the blank slate existed, breeders wouldn't need to keep mummy animals and daddy animals apart to stop them doing what comes naturally.. | |||||
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Nanos | Posted: Jun 28, 2010 - 01:04 |
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Level: 0 CS Original | But.. When questioned about the blank slate theory, if you really question them, they do tend to agree that genetics play a part, though they reckon a small part, whilst some of us, me included reckon its a bigger part than they think it is. So, I reckon that the environment does play a role, and can, and does sometimes influence people, and that a better environment is a good thing, rather than a bad thing. But that some behaviours, and its not always clear which in advance.. will be less influenced by a good environment, such that you may well still need police to help prevent rapes, and to deal with rape cases. Rather than having no police and hoping that everyone will just get along fine without any problems.. To me, the practical answers are simple, test different solutions, some based on more, some less on the blank slate approach, and go with what works best. Then it matters none really which parts are environmental and which parts genetic, as we are only focused on practical solutions. Just test :-) As such, I'd much rather Z3 just focused on the need to build tests, and skip quickly over the blank slate aspect in 30 seconds.. (Not forgetting of course to mention the genetic component too.. or else people will think we are all 100% blank slate..) | |||||
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sorry | Posted: Jun 28, 2010 - 01:06 |
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Level: 12 CS Original | Yeah, but there would be no laws. So, rape would have to be considered acceptable. | |||||
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Nanos | Posted: Jun 28, 2010 - 01:08 |
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Level: 0 CS Original | > there would be no laws Another one of their, idealistic thoughts not based on practical test results.. > rape would have to be considered acceptable. Along with, if your neighbour plays their music too loud and you beat them to death because of it, would be more common place.. This, amusingly is why tribal communities can be so peaceful :-) eg. all the assholes have been murdered.. | |||||
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sorry | Posted: Jun 28, 2010 - 01:10 |
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Level: 12 CS Original | Tribal communities also consist of very small numbers relative to what we have on Earth today. In fact, most of TZM's ideas would work pretty well for a community of say 100 50 people. It simply is impossible to coordinate without any enforced law in the face of billions of people. By the way, what does TZM plan to do with people who speak rare languages? If they can't communicate with these peoples (assuming they have no translator in their ranks), how are they going to convince them to change over to RBE? | |||||
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Nanos | Posted: Jun 28, 2010 - 01:23 |
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Level: 0 CS Original | > It simply is impossible to coordinate without any enforced law in the face of Well put. > assuming they have no translator in their ranks The sensible answer would be to pay for a translator, but this is TZM, I guess they have to wait until a volunteer shows up.. > what does TZM plan Its also the lack of plans for the most part which I believe is what frustates so many people, it certainly does me! The lack of a plan for example to save people money by simple tasks as everyone sharing a single domain.. (TVP would be a good start..) pooling their server hosting costs to a single, or dual suppliers. | |||||
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CyborgJesus | Posted: Jun 28, 2010 - 01:49 |
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Level: 6 CS Original | One of the problems is that they think the "scientific method" is somehow superior to decision making today, when it is just "Test stuff and keep what works". Sure, some politicians are even too stupid to use that approach, but I still don't get where this whole "Without money, we will solve aaaaaall problems and I'll get laid for free!"-idea comes from. | |||||
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Sil the Shill | Posted: Jun 28, 2010 - 02:00 |
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Level: 9 CS Original | "For example, going out for an expensive dinner with your girlfriend to win sex scares most men because most men (like most women) aren't wealthy." This statement alone makes me believe he never has been on a date, and is just getting his idea of how dates are from movies and television shows. | |||||
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Nanos | Posted: Jun 28, 2010 - 02:12 |
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Level: 0 CS Original | My experience has shown me that the more money you throw away on a date, the greater your chance of suceess for sex, or even a relationship.. I've also noted from many examples, the moment a man becomes poor(er), women tend to leave them. > -idea comes from. I reckon it comes from the, lets call it need, to blame something, to scapegoat, rather than to blame ourselves for our lack of ability to work cooperatively, or even to work at all! I think Hitler understood this well and helped to focus his people by pointing them to a handy scapegoat to keep their attention focused. I think also, religion understands this too, and is why the devil exists, as this is something people can hate, that doesn't impact on real peoples lives so much. | |||||
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Edward L Winston | Posted: Jun 28, 2010 - 02:34 |
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President Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho: porn star and five-time ultimate smackdown wrestling champion! Level: 150 CS Original | >> My experience has shown me that the more money you throw away on a date, the greater your chance of suceess for sex, or even a relationship.. There are plenty of white trash girls that will put out for $7 movie, if you can smoothly talk enough -- and by smooth, I just mean be able to communicate with the opposite sex at all. >> I've also noted from many examples, the moment a man becomes poor(er), women tend to leave them. I'm guessing not from personal experience? >> I think also, religion understands this too, and is why the devil exists, as this is something people can hate, that doesn't impact on real peoples lives so much. What about Buddhism? | |||||
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Nanos | Posted: Jun 28, 2010 - 02:57 |
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Level: 0 CS Original | > There are plenty of white trash girls that will put out for $7 movie There are also plenty of folk who for $7 is a luxury they cannot afford! > I'm guessing not from personal experience? No, I did experience that once (Oh wait, twice!), a woman left me the day my rent went up! She has since climbed the finanical ladder, having taken her recent ex-boyfriend to the cleaners by claiming his house and sold it for some £300k, not bad for a few years sex eh.. I'm also reminded of a nice girl I once met, who kept going on about how she wanted to find a man with character, ethics, morals and wasn't interested in someone for their money.. She stayed one night and the next day, after bumping into a rich TV producer on the train to work, decided she prefered his penthouse apartment more so than my room.. Of course, it might have been his charm and sophication, rather than his money, but whatever it was, I gather once she was just another notch on his bedpost, she had to find herself someplace else to live.. > What about Buddhism? One of the better religions isn't it ? Though isn't it less a religion and more a way of life ? | |||||
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Edward L Winston | Posted: Jun 28, 2010 - 03:06 |
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President Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho: porn star and five-time ultimate smackdown wrestling champion! Level: 150 CS Original | >> She has since climbed the finanical ladder, having taken her recent ex-boyfriend to the cleaners by claiming his house and sold it for some £300k, not bad for a few years sex eh.. Well, if you're sleeping with Satan, you might as well be fucking him too. >> She stayed one night and the next day, after bumping into a rich TV producer on the train to work, decided she prefered his penthouse apartment more so than my room.. You live in a single room, in like a boarding house or with your parents? >> Of course, it might have been his charm and sophication, rather than his money, but whatever it was, I gather once she was just another notch on his bedpost, she had to find herself someplace else to live.. £20 says he wasn't spending his Sunday night/Monday morning posting on a forum. Yet, here we are. >> One of the better religions isn't it ? It too has a history of enslavement and torture, see Tibet. >> Though isn't it less a religion and more a way of life ? No, it's a religion. Any religion can make that claim, especially Abrahamic religions, as they (Christianity rarely today, however) have entire systems of government as well. | |||||
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Brenton | Posted: Jun 28, 2010 - 07:19 |
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Level: 0 CS Original | Anyone who thinks expensive meals are necessary to get sex. Well, fuck those people. In my experience, people love it when you cook for them. I pretty much fall over backwards for anyone that does for me. Text messages and phone calls are also cheap, and people love those. It's not how much money you spend but quality of time, and so forth. No amount of moneycan build a relationship. That's why we don't trade friends as commodities. | |||||
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Ed | Posted: Jun 28, 2010 - 07:57 |
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Level: 10 CS Original | Some girls really ARE that shallow, but who REALLY wants those kinds of girls? I certainly don't, no matter how pretty. I'd rather go see a prostitute. | |||||
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sorry | Posted: Jun 28, 2010 - 08:34 |
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Level: 12 CS Original | One issue is that this TZM member thinks humans function in black & white ways. There are many reasons why men go on dates, and there are many ways in which money affects relationships. And once again, I'd like to see this member do some damn research to prove his claim. Dangerous things happen when teenagers live their lives based on unsupported theories. When I was a kid, I came up with this idea that life is a game, and you are evaluated for your actions when you die (not very original, and probably came from my Catholic school teachings). I had the strongest passion I've ever felt. I wanted to go out and change the world - I'd tell everyone how to live correctly. I'd go on forums and gets inbetween two people arguing and tell them how to communicate more correctly. Hell, I even bought into an argument by Martin Luther who said that people who become absorbed in their work are basically corrupt and evil. I told my mom to divorce my dad because he works all of the time. Oh, and I tried to explain to my dad that he's sinning by criticizing black people. Things got really bad. All of that based on nothing but an unsupported possibility. For that reason, I can empathize with the passion some TZM members feel toward "fixing" society. Ideally, it sounds really good, and it may even be a possibility some day. You know, when we actually have the technology TVP requires to remotely succeed. | |||||
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Brenton | Posted: Jun 28, 2010 - 08:40 |
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Level: 0 CS Original | Most people I associate with look for one thing: personality. Unfortunately that word doesn't enter the TZM mindset because it's way too fluid. Give me a decent personality and you can dress like Gaga and take crack for all I care. Actually, I'd really love to have a partner that dressed Gaga-esque. | |||||
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sorry | Posted: Jun 28, 2010 - 08:40 |
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Level: 12 CS Original | I'll take Gaga. | |||||
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Ed | Posted: Jun 28, 2010 - 09:03 |
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Level: 10 CS Original | Dunno about crack Brenton... ;) | |||||
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Nanos | Posted: Jun 28, 2010 - 09:10 |
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Level: 0 CS Original | > like a boarding house Yes, like one of those. Consider it a step up from livig with ones parents :-) > £20 says he wasn't spending his Sunday night/Monday morning posting on a forum. Well, thats probably true, but only because he has the money to go and do something else with his time, whilst spending time on forums is ones only option when your skint. > In my experience, people love it when you cook for them. I've heard that said too, but that does require one to actually have cooking facalities beyond just a sandwhich toaster... > It's not how much money you spend but quality of time LOL Its a nice thought, but one really needs to look into how much it cost to get that time so to speak. I'm reminded of some friends who say things like that 'I spent a whole afternoon with her in the park', yes but you drove there in your expensive sportscar! > That's why we don't trade friends as commodities. Actually, most friendship is simply based on what we are worth to people as commodities.. This is why useless people have so few friends.. Its most apparent when people suffer injuries or become disabeled, they can suddenly lose just about every friend they had, because they can no longer fix your car, or your plumbing/etc... > who REALLY wants those kinds of girls? Sadly, that is the majority of how people behave in the world. > Dangerous things happen when teenagers live their lives based on Totally agree there! > I told my mom to divorce my dad because he works all of the time. Thats another interesting obversation, if a guy doesn't work and is poor, the woman will complain he doesn't work enough, and when he does work enough, she will complain he doesn't spent enough time with her.. What she really wants is a guy with money, who doesn't work.. Which of course, is the RBE ideal :-) But, if every man is like that.. Well, then there is going to be a lot of competition in other areas between men to get the women.. Assuming there isn't enough women to go around.. (Eg., perhaps you could make sure there is..) | |||||
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Agent Matt | Posted: Jun 28, 2010 - 11:12 |
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Genuine American Monster Level: 70 CS Original | "I've heard that said too, but that does require one to actually have cooking facalities beyond just a sandwhich toaster.." Who's fault is it that all you have is a sandwich toaster? | |||||
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Nanos | Posted: Jun 28, 2010 - 11:53 |
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Level: 0 CS Original | > Who's fault is it that all you have is a sandwich toaster? Well, obviously TMS for making cookers too expensive to buy and run :-) I'm aware its my fault, but I'm also aware that woman are more inclined to date men with cookers than men without cookers. Its a similar reason woman who are attractive find it easier to get a date than women who are ugly, as men value one over the other. | |||||
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Edward L Winston | Posted: Jun 28, 2010 - 17:27 |
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President Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho: porn star and five-time ultimate smackdown wrestling champion! Level: 150 CS Original | >> Sadly, that is the majority of how people behave in the world. You sound jaded by the opposite sex. | |||||
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Agent Matt | Posted: Jun 28, 2010 - 17:28 |
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Genuine American Monster Level: 70 CS Original | Dunning Kruger in effect. | |||||
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